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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 14, 2021 15:32:00 GMT -4
another over exaggeration cap hell? far from it worst centers in the NHL? they're basically the same centers that they've had for their existence aside from losing Stastny.... William Karlsson and Jonathan Marchessault as a 1-2 are far far far from the worst in the NHL and Chandler Stephenson is a fine third line option as well.... no clue who the fourth is but who cares If not being able to dress 6D isn't cap hell, then what the hell is?? Audi-Marchessault has taken 383 faceoffs the last 2 years COMBINED. I don't think he has ever played center full time in the NHL. Their centers are: 1-Karlsson 2-Stephenson(55pts in 209 NHL games at 26) 3-Glass 4-Nosek or Roy If your top 4 is deep you can easily get away without using a 6th D. They could find a league minimum 6th D if there was some rule where you had to dress 12/6. There's 3 league minimum D on their taxi squad. They can ice their 20 skaters however they please.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 14, 2021 15:34:55 GMT -4
Yeah that was a weird shot to take since like you said they're the same centers they've been rolling with basically. www.capfriendly.com/10 teams have 0 cap space and are operating in LTIR. Another 14 are within 2.1 mil of the cap. 4 teams have 7+ mil in space. All rebuilding teams in NJ, Detroit, Ottawa, LA. Isn't 1 NHL team with any sort of expectations not technically in "cap hell". But that won't stop people from constantly using it as the only thing they can mention about certain teams. For all the cap issues Toronto apparently has created for themselves according to a certain Montreal fan....Montreal currently has 158k more cap space. Not that Stastny is a star, but they are replacing him with an unproven 21 year old(12pts in 39 games last year) or a guy who was 4th line in Washingston(Stephenson). When you can't dress 6D due to the cap, that's the very definition of cap hell. They could easily move Glass to their taxi squad and dress a 6th D. They're not dressing 19 players due to the cap.
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Post by bois on Jan 14, 2021 15:39:09 GMT -4
they will dress 6 d
they waived Holden to put him on taxi squad and will activate him day of their opener its a cap move but hardly cap hell
and if for some reason they went one game with 5 D i think they'd survive just fine lol especially when those d are Peitrangelo,Theodore, Martinez et al
im not even gonna bother with the faceoffs comment lol like that determines solely whether a guy plays center or not.... marchessault is listed as a center iceman..... i'm sure he can take a few draws and be fine..... this is a legit stanley cup contender and you have them in cap peril and listed as the worst centers in the league lol laughable as usual
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 14, 2021 15:39:47 GMT -4
If not being able to dress 6D isn't cap hell, then what the hell is?? Audi-Marchessault has taken 383 faceoffs the last 2 years COMBINED. I don't think he has ever played center full time in the NHL. Their centers are: 1-Karlsson 2-Stephenson(55pts in 209 NHL games at 26) 3-Glass 4-Nosek or Roy If your top 4 is deep you can easily get away without using a 6th D. They could find a league minimum 6th D if there was some rule where you had to dress 12/6. There's 3 league minimum D on their taxi squad. They can ice their 20 skaters however they please. For one game yeah, not as a regular situation, even worse in a condensed schedule and with Covid. They only have 227k in cap room, so they will need to make another move. Not sure if they are affraid of losing Roy or Kolesar on waivers.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 14, 2021 15:41:10 GMT -4
Not that Stastny is a star, but they are replacing him with an unproven 21 year old(12pts in 39 games last year) or a guy who was 4th line in Washingston(Stephenson). When you can't dress 6D due to the cap, that's the very definition of cap hell. They could easily move Glass to their taxi squad and dress a 6th D. They're not dressing 19 players due to the cap. Glass is their #2 or 3 center. They surely want him to play.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 14, 2021 15:46:33 GMT -4
they will dress 6 d they waived Holden to put him on taxi squad and will activate him day of their opener its a cap move but hardly cap hell and if for some reason they went one game with 5 D i think they'd survive just fine lol especially when those d are Peitrangelo,Theodore, Martinez et al im not even gonna bother with the faceoffs comment lol like that determines solely whether a guy plays center or not.... marchessault is listed as a center iceman..... i'm sure he can take a few draws and be fine..... this is a legit stanley cup contender and you have them in cap peril and listed as the worst centers in the league lol laughable as usual No sense arguing with you, whatever I say you'll try and make a moronic argument otherwise. You should bother with the faceoffs comment, part of winning in today's NHL is winning faceoffs. I'm not over the top on centers being the be all and end all like McGuire and others, but no way in hell Las Vegas wins a cup with Glass and Stephenson as 2 of their 3 top centers. Playing center is not just about taking a few draws, usually that player is involved in everything that goes on at both ends of the ice.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 14, 2021 15:46:58 GMT -4
They could easily move Glass to their taxi squad and dress a 6th D. They're not dressing 19 players due to the cap. Glass is their #2 or 3 center. They surely want him to play. So they waive/demote their 12th/13th forward in Roy or Kolesar. I just dont see the big deal. They're still choosing how to handle their own lineup. If they were in cap hell the issue wouldn't be how to dress 20. It would dressing 20.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 14, 2021 15:48:18 GMT -4
If your top 4 is deep you can easily get away without using a 6th D. They could find a league minimum 6th D if there was some rule where you had to dress 12/6. There's 3 league minimum D on their taxi squad. They can ice their 20 skaters however they please. For one game yeah, not as a regular situation, even worse in a condensed schedule and with Covid. They only have 227k in cap room, so they will need to make another move. Not sure if they are affraid of losing Roy or Kolesar on waivers. Why not? On most teams the 6th D/12th forward are not key pieces. If your top 4 is good enough you can absolutely run with 13/5/2 most nights and not miss a beat. Especially with a taxi squad basically giving you 5 free NHL minimum salaries always at your disposal.
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Post by bois on Jan 14, 2021 15:52:06 GMT -4
they will dress 6 d they waived Holden to put him on taxi squad and will activate him day of their opener its a cap move but hardly cap hell and if for some reason they went one game with 5 D i think they'd survive just fine lol especially when those d are Peitrangelo,Theodore, Martinez et al im not even gonna bother with the faceoffs comment lol like that determines solely whether a guy plays center or not.... marchessault is listed as a center iceman..... i'm sure he can take a few draws and be fine..... this is a legit stanley cup contender and you have them in cap peril and listed as the worst centers in the league lol laughable as usual No sense arguing with you, whatever I say you'll try and make a moronic argument otherwise. You should bother with the faceoffs comment, part of winning in today's NHL is winning faceoffs. I'm not over the top on centers being the be all and end all like McGuire and others, but no way in hell Las Vegas wins a cup with Glass and Stephenson as 2 of their 3 top centers. Playing center is not just about taking a few draws, usually that player is involved in everything that goes on at both ends of the ice. wait and see their lineup for the first couple of games and if you're wrong come back and admit it none of us will hold our breaths i'll even grant you something.... maybe they do want Cody Glass as their second line center and Marchessault on the wings...... what's wrong with that? Kid is 21 and was 6th overall pick in his draft year..... maybe he is gonna step up and shine this year..... lots of teams let their highly touted young players develop into key roles and continue to have success.... bottom line i'd say Vegas is likely one of the consensus top 5-6 teaams being picked for a Cup right now..... your the one who made the moronic statements here
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 14, 2021 15:53:19 GMT -4
For one game yeah, not as a regular situation, even worse in a condensed schedule and with Covid. They only have 227k in cap room, so they will need to make another move. Not sure if they are affraid of losing Roy or Kolesar on waivers. Why not? On most teams the 6th D/12th forward are not key pieces. If your top 4 is good enough you can absolutely run with 13/5/2 most nights and not miss a beat. Especially with a taxi squad basically giving you 5 free NHL minimum salaries always at your disposal. The taxi squad guys are not free, they are the same as an AHL team, the salaries don't count on the cap but they do if you call them up. Playing 5 D in a season where you play basically 1 game every 2 days plus the risk of more players missing time with Covid seems really dumb to me. Adding 15 minutes(basically 3 min each) to your top 5 guys will take a toll even over 3-4 weeks let alone a 3-4 month season.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 14, 2021 15:55:43 GMT -4
Arguing cap hell in a year with a taxi squad is just a waste of time. As long as teams can fit minimum salaries in the 18th-20th or so roster spots they'll be fine now matter how the structure is within 1-17.
In my view cap hell means you can't dress 20 players. But with 10 teams operating in LTIR and easily 2/3 not able to easily add a $3mil player either everyone is in cap hell or nobody is.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 14, 2021 15:56:33 GMT -4
No sense arguing with you, whatever I say you'll try and make a moronic argument otherwise. You should bother with the faceoffs comment, part of winning in today's NHL is winning faceoffs. I'm not over the top on centers being the be all and end all like McGuire and others, but no way in hell Las Vegas wins a cup with Glass and Stephenson as 2 of their 3 top centers. Playing center is not just about taking a few draws, usually that player is involved in everything that goes on at both ends of the ice. wait and see their lineup for the first couple of games and if you're wrong come back and admit it none of us will hold our breaths i'll even grant you something.... maybe they do want Cody Glass as their second line center and Marchessault on the wings...... what's wrong with that? Kid is 21 and was 6th overall pick in his draft year..... maybe he is gonna step up and shine this year..... lots of teams let their highly touted young players develop into key roles and continue to have success.... bottom line i'd say Vegas is likely one of the consensus top 5-6 teaams being picked for a Cup right now..... your the one who made the moronic statements here For somebody so opinionated you get your panties in a bunch pretty easily when others have an opinion. Maybe Glass steps up, but no way in hell does LV win the cup without making a major move at C. If I'm wrong, I'll be the first to admit it.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 14, 2021 15:57:10 GMT -4
Why not? On most teams the 6th D/12th forward are not key pieces. If your top 4 is good enough you can absolutely run with 13/5/2 most nights and not miss a beat. Especially with a taxi squad basically giving you 5 free NHL minimum salaries always at your disposal. The taxi squad guys are not free, they are the same as an AHL team, the salaries don't count on the cap but they do if you call them up. Playing 5 D in a season where you play basically 1 game every 2 days plus the risk of more players missing time with Covid seems really dumb to me. Adding 15 minutes(basically 3 min each) to your top 5 guys will take a toll even over 3-4 weeks let alone a 3-4 month season. I know how the taxi squad works. The point is if someone needs to come out...through demotion or waivers...they end up on that squad for Holden or another D. There's a better chance Vegas dresses 12/6/2 before they dress 12/5/2 is what multiple people are now saying.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 14, 2021 15:58:10 GMT -4
wait and see their lineup for the first couple of games and if you're wrong come back and admit it none of us will hold our breaths i'll even grant you something.... maybe they do want Cody Glass as their second line center and Marchessault on the wings...... what's wrong with that? Kid is 21 and was 6th overall pick in his draft year..... maybe he is gonna step up and shine this year..... lots of teams let their highly touted young players develop into key roles and continue to have success.... bottom line i'd say Vegas is likely one of the consensus top 5-6 teaams being picked for a Cup right now..... your the one who made the moronic statements here For somebody so opinionated you get your panties in a bunch pretty easily when others have an opinion. Maybe Glass steps up, but no way in hell does LV win the cup without making a major move at C. If I'm wrong, I'll be the first to admit it. You want to talk about his "panties" the day after you call me an internet bully? Classic.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 14, 2021 16:00:46 GMT -4
Arguing cap hell in a year with a taxi squad is just a waste of time. As long as teams can fit minimum salaries in the 18th-20th or so roster spots they'll be fine now matter how the structure is within 1-17. In my view cap hell means you can't dress 20 players. But with 10 teams operating in LTIR and easily 2/3 not able to easily add a $3mil player either everyone is in cap hell or nobody is. Not having the cap room for 6D is not the same as operating in LTIR. Those things are quite different. Cap hell means you have to do things that negatively impact your ability to win. As I said earlier, the taxi squad isn't free. If they have 2-3 players in quarantine due to Covid, the 2 or 3 guys they call up will take up cap room while on the roster. They can go back and forth, but on all game days the take up room. a player out 10-14 days can't go on LTIR(miinum 10 games or 24 days).
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