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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 14, 2021 16:02:27 GMT -4
For somebody so opinionated you get your panties in a bunch pretty easily when others have an opinion. Maybe Glass steps up, but no way in hell does LV win the cup without making a major move at C. If I'm wrong, I'll be the first to admit it. You want to talk about his "panties" the day after you call me an internet bully? Classic. You follow my every post and reply with your fake outrage, call it whatever you want.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 14, 2021 16:03:24 GMT -4
Arguing cap hell in a year with a taxi squad is just a waste of time. As long as teams can fit minimum salaries in the 18th-20th or so roster spots they'll be fine now matter how the structure is within 1-17. In my view cap hell means you can't dress 20 players. But with 10 teams operating in LTIR and easily 2/3 not able to easily add a $3mil player either everyone is in cap hell or nobody is. Not having the cap room for 6D is not the same as operating in LTIR. Those things are quite different. Cap hell means you have to do things that negatively impact your ability to win. As I said earlier, the taxi squad isn't free. If they have 2-3 players in quarantine due to Covid, the 2 or 3 guys they call up will take up cap room while on the roster. They can go back and forth, but on all game days the take up room. a player out 10-14 days can't go on LTIR(miinum 10 games or 24 days). They have the cap room for 18 skaters and 2 goalies. Thats not cap hell. If they couldn't dress a goalie...i'd agree. How they dress their 18 skaters is up to them. And if they dress 12/6/2 any time soon the argument your harshness of their cap situation was overstated would seem pretty obvious.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 14, 2021 16:04:32 GMT -4
You want to talk about his "panties" the day after you call me an internet bully? Classic. You follow my every post and reply with your fake outrage, call it whatever you want. You say that as if you don't do the exact same thing in any discussion you're in as well.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 14, 2021 16:04:45 GMT -4
The taxi squad guys are not free, they are the same as an AHL team, the salaries don't count on the cap but they do if you call them up. Playing 5 D in a season where you play basically 1 game every 2 days plus the risk of more players missing time with Covid seems really dumb to me. Adding 15 minutes(basically 3 min each) to your top 5 guys will take a toll even over 3-4 weeks let alone a 3-4 month season. I know how the taxi squad works. The point is if someone needs to come out...through demotion or waivers...they end up on that squad for Holden or another D. There's a better chance Vegas dresses 12/6/2 before they dress 12/5/2 is what multiple people are now saying. They have 227k of room, every day they call up Holden counts against that. as well if they have guys out with minor injuries(2-3 games to a week) they either play short or use up more cap room with additional call ups. If they plan on status quo all year without a major move, they will paint themselves in a corner.
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Post by bois on Jan 14, 2021 16:05:11 GMT -4
For somebody so opinionated you get your panties in a bunch pretty easily when others have an opinion. Maybe Glass steps up, but no way in hell does LV win the cup without making a major move at C. If I'm wrong, I'll be the first to admit it. You want to talk about his "panties" the day after you call me an internet bully? Classic. same old tired shit from him i'm not gonna bother anymore love how he says he'll be first to admit he's wrong like he ever has shown that lol i see Cody Glass as similar to what we saw as Habs fans with Nick suzuki but because it's not the Habs.... there's no way in hell a team can win by dressing a rookie essentially in their top 6 even if they have arguably the best top 4 maybe the best goalie tandem... and unquestionably one of the best wing groups in the league
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 14, 2021 16:07:20 GMT -4
Not having the cap room for 6D is not the same as operating in LTIR. Those things are quite different. Cap hell means you have to do things that negatively impact your ability to win. As I said earlier, the taxi squad isn't free. If they have 2-3 players in quarantine due to Covid, the 2 or 3 guys they call up will take up cap room while on the roster. They can go back and forth, but on all game days the take up room. a player out 10-14 days can't go on LTIR(miinum 10 games or 24 days). They have the cap room for 18 skaters and 2 goalies. Thats not cap hell. If they couldn't dress a goalie...i'd agree. How they dress their 18 skaters is up to them. And if they dress 12/6/2 any time soon the argument your harshness of their cap situation was overstated would seem pretty obvious. They are not going with 13F 5D by choice, they are doing it because Holden would have them over the cap by midseason. They may call him up for games, but even by doing that he would cost more than the cap room they have left. If they have any Covid cases or minor injuries, they'll be playing with 16 or 17 skaters. No matter how you slice it, it's not a good spot for a GM.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 14, 2021 16:07:56 GMT -4
I know how the taxi squad works. The point is if someone needs to come out...through demotion or waivers...they end up on that squad for Holden or another D. There's a better chance Vegas dresses 12/6/2 before they dress 12/5/2 is what multiple people are now saying. They have 227k of room, every day they call up Holden counts against that. as well if they have guys out with minor injuries(2-3 games to a week) they either play short or use up more cap room with additional call ups. If they plan on status quo all year without a major move, they will paint themselves in a corner. We all know how the salary cap works. What I said...CLEARLY...by separating the point....was "through demotion or waivers"...meaning the cap space would be removed from the guy going down and open up enough for a replacement. Because you see every day they send down someone currently on their roster they can replace him for someone of equal value or accumulate that cap space if they're not in LTIR. Which is where the argument of dressing 18 skaters comes into play re: the cap hell argument you're doing a really bad job of making.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 14, 2021 16:09:48 GMT -4
You want to talk about his "panties" the day after you call me an internet bully? Classic. same old tired shit from him i'm not gonna bother anymore love how he says he'll be first to admit he's wrong like he ever has shown that lol i see Cody Glass as similar to what we saw as Habs fans with Nick suzuki but because it's not the Habs.... there's no way in hell a team can win by dressing a rookie essentially in their top 6 even if they have arguably the best top 4 maybe the best goalie tandem... and unquestionably one of the best wing groups in the league Agreed. Every team has weakness...he just uses certain teams weaknesses to seem like they're world ending while his own team is basically in the same position without the ability to easily add a big name without moving someone. Everyone is basically in the same spot but he's trying to pick certain examples as worse then others.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 14, 2021 16:11:01 GMT -4
You want to talk about his "panties" the day after you call me an internet bully? Classic. same old tired shit from him i'm not gonna bother anymore love how he says he'll be first to admit he's wrong like he ever has shown that lol i see Cody Glass as similar to what we saw as Habs fans with Nick suzuki but because it's not the Habs.... there's no way in hell a team can win by dressing a rookie essentially in their top 6 even if they have arguably the best top 4 maybe the best goalie tandem... and unquestionably one of the best wing groups in the league Suzuki started last year playing behind Danault Domi and JKK, not handed a spot on the 2nd line. Last year he put up 41 pts in 71 games plus 7 in 10 playoff games and now he's expected to be a #2 guy. Glass put up 12 in 39 games, your comparison makes no sense on any level. It has nothing to do with which team.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 14, 2021 16:13:35 GMT -4
They have 227k of room, every day they call up Holden counts against that. as well if they have guys out with minor injuries(2-3 games to a week) they either play short or use up more cap room with additional call ups. If they plan on status quo all year without a major move, they will paint themselves in a corner. We all know how the salary cap works. What I said...CLEARLY...by separating the point....was "through demotion or waivers"...meaning the cap space would be removed from the guy going down and open up enough for a replacement. Because you see every day they send down someone currently on their roster they can replace him for someone of equal value or accumulate that cap space if they're not in LTIR. Which is where the argument of dressing 18 skaters comes into play re: the cap hell argument you're doing a really bad job of making. The part you're missing is, they don't want to send Roy or Kolesar down because they require waivers and they are afraid of losing them. That's why they have 13F. Glass is the only guy they can send down without waivers.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 14, 2021 16:15:56 GMT -4
same old tired shit from him i'm not gonna bother anymore love how he says he'll be first to admit he's wrong like he ever has shown that lol i see Cody Glass as similar to what we saw as Habs fans with Nick suzuki but because it's not the Habs.... there's no way in hell a team can win by dressing a rookie essentially in their top 6 even if they have arguably the best top 4 maybe the best goalie tandem... and unquestionably one of the best wing groups in the league Suzuki started last year playing behind Danault Domi and JKK, not handed a spot on the 2nd line. Last year he put up 41 pts in 71 games plus 7 in 10 playoff games and now he's expected to be a #2 guy. Glass put up 12 in 39 games, your comparison makes no sense on any level. It has nothing to do with which team. Suzuki started line 4 with JKK not exactly overwhelming at 3C. You had Glass on line 3 yesterday. So Glass is 30-40 games behind Suzuki experience wise. But with a similar ceiling. The idea he goes from .3 ppg to .8/.9 as a 2C isn't that crazy considering who he would be playing with.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 14, 2021 16:18:06 GMT -4
We all know how the salary cap works. What I said...CLEARLY...by separating the point....was "through demotion or waivers"...meaning the cap space would be removed from the guy going down and open up enough for a replacement. Because you see every day they send down someone currently on their roster they can replace him for someone of equal value or accumulate that cap space if they're not in LTIR. Which is where the argument of dressing 18 skaters comes into play re: the cap hell argument you're doing a really bad job of making. The part you're missing is, they don't want to send Roy or Kolesar down because they require waivers and they are afraid of losing them. That's why they have 13F. Glass is the only guy they can send down without waivers. Nobody is missing anything. They're choosing their average 13th F over their average 6th D because they get to keep both guys around if they do it that way. That is not salary cap hell. It's roster management in a salary cap league.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 14, 2021 16:22:14 GMT -4
Suzuki started last year playing behind Danault Domi and JKK, not handed a spot on the 2nd line. Last year he put up 41 pts in 71 games plus 7 in 10 playoff games and now he's expected to be a #2 guy. Glass put up 12 in 39 games, your comparison makes no sense on any level. It has nothing to do with which team. Suzuki started line 4 with JKK not exactly overwhelming at 3C. You had Glass on line 3 yesterday. So Glass is 30-40 games behind Suzuki experience wise. But with a similar ceiling. The idea he goes from .3 ppg to .8/.9 as a 2C isn't that crazy considering who he would be playing with. Maybe in 2 or 3 years, but expecting that in a year is not realistic.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 14, 2021 16:23:48 GMT -4
The part you're missing is, they don't want to send Roy or Kolesar down because they require waivers and they are afraid of losing them. That's why they have 13F. Glass is the only guy they can send down without waivers. Nobody is missing anything. They're choosing their average 13th F over their average 6th D because they get to keep both guys around if they do it that way. That is not salary cap hell. It's roster management in a salary cap league. You said they can send guys down and call others up, they can't, unless they want to risk waivers(which it appears they don't).
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Post by bois on Jan 15, 2021 8:50:42 GMT -4
so i thought Vegas started tonight but they actually played last night.... so pay attention Captain this is how it's done.... i was wrong ... they did play 13-5 last night (dunno if maybe one of the forwards played a bit on D perhaps they did i don't care).... but i will still say that they won't use that as a longterm thing... and it didn't effect them any as they won easily and gave up only 22 shots against in the process. None of their dmen played significantly more than you'd expect except maybe Whitecloud ... they all played between 22-25 minutes apiece...
also Cody Glass only played 12 minutes so I guess they haven't thrown him into the number 2 role right away
Keegan Kolesar played 4 minutes and change..... i hardly think they are afraid to expose him to waivers as you suggest
will pay attention to the next week or so and see what happens.... i am sure as soon as the cap allows it Holden will be recalled (from taxi squad) and Kolesar will be placed there..... lets see
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