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Post by scotiahockey on Jan 19, 2021 13:05:48 GMT -4
They're not even in the bottom 10 of teams in terms of cap space. 10 teams literally have 0 space as they're operating in LTIR. But he's here harping on the team with the 12th least cap space. Who is 3-0-0. Saying that even if they go undefeated they won't win in the playoffs so their regular season doesnt mean anything. I could literally cherry pick the same logic and be a complete fucking turd in the Habs thread all year. Little cap space. Need improvement down the middle. When they lose in the playoffs...the season wont matter because it's the $14.85 mil tied up in goaltending taking from what could be more depth down the middle. Imagine how fucking loud this idiot would be if Toronto had $15 mil tied up in goaltending? It would be unbearable. LTIR is not a problem if those players are out for the year. That's why you can't just blindly make those comments. If you can't see that LV is shit at center then you just want to be a full time troll. I said it when they did the Allen trade, I wasn't a fan of the price or cap hit based on all the goalies on the market. Heck, I wasn't a fan of giving Price 10.5 mil over 8 years either. As well as he is playing now, 10.5M of cap and 7.5M of salary on a 37 and 38 year old goalies is not ideal. Vegas is by no means strong down the middle, it totally depends on whether Marchessault shows he can play there full-time or not. Karlsson is a legit top 6 guy, Stephenson should be solid as the 3C, he looked fine there last year, then Nosek/Glass/Roy can play the 4th line role... Glass maybe can move up at some point too. I don’t think they’re necessarily in cap hell though. A lot of teams are put in a tough position without it rising and will struggle this season to manage the cap, that’s sort of the reality of it with the way things have played out. They have around 3 million in cap space for next year and I expect them to free that up and add more by moving someone out. They’re going to find a way to do it, so they’re in a tough spot this year but so are a lot of teams. Two years from now, they have plenty of cap room so while it’s a problem to some degree now, I don’t think it is long-term so I wouldn’t say they’re in cap hell. They’re a top tier team, one of a handful that I think can win a cup. They may or may not but only 1 team can win so I don’t quantify this season as a failure if they don’t. I’m sure they’d love to have an abundance of cap room to go out and acquire a C and move Marchessault back to the wing but if they find that down the middle is an issue this season, I’m sure they can do a money in money out trade that adds a C and balances that out.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 19, 2021 14:08:24 GMT -4
LTIR is not a problem if those players are out for the year. That's why you can't just blindly make those comments. If you can't see that LV is shit at center then you just want to be a full time troll. I said it when they did the Allen trade, I wasn't a fan of the price or cap hit based on all the goalies on the market. Heck, I wasn't a fan of giving Price 10.5 mil over 8 years either. As well as he is playing now, 10.5M of cap and 7.5M of salary on a 37 and 38 year old goalies is not ideal. Vegas is by no means strong down the middle, it totally depends on whether Marchessault shows he can play there full-time or not. Karlsson is a legit top 6 guy, Stephenson should be solid as the 3C, he looked fine there last year, then Nosek/Glass/Roy can play the 4th line role... Glass maybe can move up at some point too. I don’t think they’re necessarily in cap hell though. A lot of teams are put in a tough position without it rising and will struggle this season to manage the cap, that’s sort of the reality of it with the way things have played out. They have around 3 million in cap space for next year and I expect them to free that up and add more by moving someone out. They’re going to find a way to do it, so they’re in a tough spot this year but so are a lot of teams. Two years from now, they have plenty of cap room so while it’s a problem to some degree now, I don’t think it is long-term so I wouldn’t say they’re in cap hell. They’re a top tier team, one of a handful that I think can win a cup. They may or may not but only 1 team can win so I don’t quantify this season as a failure if they don’t. I’m sure they’d love to have an abundance of cap room to go out and acquire a C and move Marchessault back to the wing but if they find that down the middle is an issue this season, I’m sure they can do a money in money out trade that adds a C and balances that out. JAM has taken 4 faceoffs in 3 games, so obviously they don't see him as a C. The 5 guys they have used so far are Karlsson Stephenson Nosek Roy and Glass. Center being a prime position, I don't see them being able to compete with that group. they are also thin on the blueline, Pietrangelo and Theodore are top pair guys, but Martinez is getting long in the tooth, McNabb is more of a 5-6 guy than a top 4. If they have any injuries it's really thin.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 19, 2021 16:37:13 GMT -4
Vegas is by no means strong down the middle, it totally depends on whether Marchessault shows he can play there full-time or not. Karlsson is a legit top 6 guy, Stephenson should be solid as the 3C, he looked fine there last year, then Nosek/Glass/Roy can play the 4th line role... Glass maybe can move up at some point too. I don’t think they’re necessarily in cap hell though. A lot of teams are put in a tough position without it rising and will struggle this season to manage the cap, that’s sort of the reality of it with the way things have played out. They have around 3 million in cap space for next year and I expect them to free that up and add more by moving someone out. They’re going to find a way to do it, so they’re in a tough spot this year but so are a lot of teams. Two years from now, they have plenty of cap room so while it’s a problem to some degree now, I don’t think it is long-term so I wouldn’t say they’re in cap hell. They’re a top tier team, one of a handful that I think can win a cup. They may or may not but only 1 team can win so I don’t quantify this season as a failure if they don’t. I’m sure they’d love to have an abundance of cap room to go out and acquire a C and move Marchessault back to the wing but if they find that down the middle is an issue this season, I’m sure they can do a money in money out trade that adds a C and balances that out. JAM has taken 4 faceoffs in 3 games, so obviously they don't see him as a C. The 5 guys they have used so far are Karlsson Stephenson Nosek Roy and Glass. Center being a prime position, I don't see them being able to compete with that group. they are also thin on the blueline, Pietrangelo and Theodore are top pair guys, but Martinez is getting long in the tooth, McNabb is more of a 5-6 guy than a top 4. If they have any injuries it's really thin. They're an expansion team in their 4th year and your argument is they're not quite deep enough to win a Cup so they're in awful shape. Using the word hell as a way to describe their situation. And not a team in the league who wont be thin with injuries(as in more then 1) on its blueline. Not sure why you just can't see that you went overboard on their 13/5 because they planned on using their taxi squad in a way you didn't see coming even though it seemed obvious to some others.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 19, 2021 17:03:49 GMT -4
JAM has taken 4 faceoffs in 3 games, so obviously they don't see him as a C. The 5 guys they have used so far are Karlsson Stephenson Nosek Roy and Glass. Center being a prime position, I don't see them being able to compete with that group. they are also thin on the blueline, Pietrangelo and Theodore are top pair guys, but Martinez is getting long in the tooth, McNabb is more of a 5-6 guy than a top 4. If they have any injuries it's really thin. They're an expansion team in their 4th year and your argument is they're not quite deep enough to win a Cup so they're in awful shape. Using the word hell as a way to describe their situation. And not a team in the league who wont be thin with injuries(as in more then 1) on its blueline. Not sure why you just can't see that you went overboard on their 13/5 because they planned on using their taxi squad in a way you didn't see coming even though it seemed obvious to some others. What does being an expansion team 4 years ago have to do with anything? They got to the finals year 1, they had the opportunity for a clean slate and now are in cap trouble. The GM can't blame anybody else. Beating up on 2 of the worst teams in the NHL hardly proves they made the right decisions, that will be decided after the season and playoffs. Most contenders can absorb a few injuries, especially key spots like on D, center and goalie. LV is thin at center before any injuries or Covid, plus even for taxi squad call ups they have a very thin line to call up players in those cases.
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Post by themandalorian on Jan 19, 2021 20:20:44 GMT -4
The Avs gain 2M$ in cap space with trading Cole for Pateryn... and make space for Byram and Timmins to sub in and out as the #6 D.
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Post by hal on Jan 21, 2021 7:38:30 GMT -4
I know it's still early .......but I am loving this All Canadian North Division .....Or Tim Hortons-Home Hardware-Canadian Tire Division or whatever it's called . It doesn't have to be The Habs either ...I was really looking forward to the McDavid - Matthews Showdown as much as Habs-Canucks game last night .Enjoying watching the Kids in Ottawa ....Flames are a real good Team to watch and the Jets are entertaining also . Other than Sid vs Ovie , I haven't even wanted to check out any other games .
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Jan 21, 2021 8:29:11 GMT -4
They're an expansion team in their 4th year and your argument is they're not quite deep enough to win a Cup so they're in awful shape. Using the word hell as a way to describe their situation. And not a team in the league who wont be thin with injuries(as in more then 1) on its blueline. Not sure why you just can't see that you went overboard on their 13/5 because they planned on using their taxi squad in a way you didn't see coming even though it seemed obvious to some others. What does being an expansion team 4 years ago have to do with anything? They got to the finals year 1, they had the opportunity for a clean slate and now are in cap trouble. The GM can't blame anybody else. Beating up on 2 of the worst teams in the NHL hardly proves they made the right decisions, that will be decided after the season and playoffs. Most contenders can absorb a few injuries, especially key spots like on D, center and goalie. LV is thin at center before any injuries or Covid, plus even for taxi squad call ups they have a very thin line to call up players in those cases. I think the point they are making is they havent had enough time to develop organizational depth. You dont pay as much right away on home grown prospects that can step in. Until they hit RFA and can be offer sheeted. Vegas made trades for all their players in addition to the initial expansion of NHL ready players. They have done better than anyone expected but penchant to win now has put them in that cap position. And it's the owner not the GM fault. McPhee knew how to build a competitive team without all the Stones and Paciorettys etc. He was the GM at start and got promoted upstairs but still has his finger on the moves and built the scouting. But his owner is not patient and the taste of 2018 has him thinking it's always possible. So it's one thing to have depth and develop it takes time. A few drafts. Very expensive to do it with trades and UFA.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 21, 2021 10:04:58 GMT -4
What does being an expansion team 4 years ago have to do with anything? They got to the finals year 1, they had the opportunity for a clean slate and now are in cap trouble. The GM can't blame anybody else. Beating up on 2 of the worst teams in the NHL hardly proves they made the right decisions, that will be decided after the season and playoffs. Most contenders can absorb a few injuries, especially key spots like on D, center and goalie. LV is thin at center before any injuries or Covid, plus even for taxi squad call ups they have a very thin line to call up players in those cases. I think the point they are making is they havent had enough time to develop organizational depth. You dont pay as much right away on home grown prospects that can step in. Until they hit RFA and can be offer sheeted. Vegas made trades for all their players in addition to the initial expansion of NHL ready players. They have done better than anyone expected but penchant to win now has put them in that cap position. And it's the owner not the GM fault. McPhee knew how to build a competitive team without all the Stones and Paciorettys etc. He was the GM at start and got promoted upstairs but still has his finger on the moves and built the scouting. But his owner is not patient and the taste of 2018 has him thinking it's always possible. So it's one thing to have depth and develop it takes time. A few drafts. Very expensive to do it with trades and UFA. And everyone has that thin line to call players up...or close to 2/3 of the league does anyway. Colorado had to move Cole out so they can use Byram. Toronto had to move money around to get Robertson in the lineup. Montreal only has a 21 man roster. 10 teams are in LTIR. It's either we're all in cap hell...or nobody is.
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Post by bois on Jan 21, 2021 11:40:37 GMT -4
they keep rolling along just fine
again if i'm a fan...... (and i am casually they'd be in my top 5 fav teams right now) i'm happy as hell with how things have played out in Vegas thus far
there is no cap hell
and if they see their center depth as a problem.... they have proven they will address things...
and saying their defense is a weakness... well that takes the cake really..... it's not a weakness..... it's a strength
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Post by bois on Jan 21, 2021 11:41:46 GMT -4
I know it's still early .......but I am loving this All Canadian North Division .....Or Tim Hortons-Home Hardware-Canadian Tire Division or whatever it's called . It doesn't have to be The Habs either ...I was really looking forward to the McDavid - Matthews Showdown as much as Habs-Canucks game last night .Enjoying watching the Kids in Ottawa ....Flames are a real good Team to watch and the Jets are entertaining also . Other than Sid vs Ovie , I haven't even wanted to check out any other games . agreed however the Matthews- McDavid showdown was easily the least entertaining game of the young season thus far.... embarrasingly poor entertainment value given the players that both teams employ
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 21, 2021 11:49:16 GMT -4
I know it's still early .......but I am loving this All Canadian North Division .....Or Tim Hortons-Home Hardware-Canadian Tire Division or whatever it's called . It doesn't have to be The Habs either ...I was really looking forward to the McDavid - Matthews Showdown as much as Habs-Canucks game last night .Enjoying watching the Kids in Ottawa ....Flames are a real good Team to watch and the Jets are entertaining also . Other than Sid vs Ovie , I haven't even wanted to check out any other games . agreed however the Matthews- McDavid showdown was easily the least entertaining game of the young season thus far.... embarrasingly poor entertainment value given the players that both teams employ Was one of the first times this season where I felt the lack of fans hurt the intensity. Was a brutal game from an entertainment perspective.
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Post by hal on Jan 21, 2021 11:54:40 GMT -4
I know it's still early .......but I am loving this All Canadian North Division .....Or Tim Hortons-Home Hardware-Canadian Tire Division or whatever it's called . It doesn't have to be The Habs either ...I was really looking forward to the McDavid - Matthews Showdown as much as Habs-Canucks game last night .Enjoying watching the Kids in Ottawa ....Flames are a real good Team to watch and the Jets are entertaining also . Other than Sid vs Ovie , I haven't even wanted to check out any other games . agreed however the Matthews- McDavid showdown was easily the least entertaining game of the young season thus far.... embarrasingly poor entertainment value given the players that both teams employ You're right .......but the Habs - Canucks game more than made up for it . Nice to see Toffoli breaking out even in a Loss .
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Post by bois on Jan 21, 2021 11:55:40 GMT -4
agreed however the Matthews- McDavid showdown was easily the least entertaining game of the young season thus far.... embarrasingly poor entertainment value given the players that both teams employ You're right .......but the Habs - Canucks game more than made up for it . Nice to see Toffoli breaking out even in a Loss . wish i could have stayed awake to watch it..... will try again tonight
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Post by scotiahockey on Jan 21, 2021 12:05:41 GMT -4
agreed however the Matthews- McDavid showdown was easily the least entertaining game of the young season thus far.... embarrasingly poor entertainment value given the players that both teams employ Was one of the first times this season where I felt the lack of fans hurt the intensity. Was a brutal game from an entertainment perspective. I had a fear that this might happen... at least from a personal perspective. It was one thing to watch hockey with no fans after the season was abruptly shut down after a 5 month layoff, when we were feeling like we missed out and with it meaning something jumping right into the playoffs, I didn’t miss the fans then. I wasn’t so sure I’d like it during game say 12 of 56 in the middle of February on a Tuesday night when it really doesn’t mean anything. It didn’t even take that long for me to not like it... I think the fans, especially in the regular season, add way more to the experience then people realize.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 21, 2021 12:57:29 GMT -4
I think the point they are making is they havent had enough time to develop organizational depth. You dont pay as much right away on home grown prospects that can step in. Until they hit RFA and can be offer sheeted. Vegas made trades for all their players in addition to the initial expansion of NHL ready players. They have done better than anyone expected but penchant to win now has put them in that cap position. And it's the owner not the GM fault. McPhee knew how to build a competitive team without all the Stones and Paciorettys etc. He was the GM at start and got promoted upstairs but still has his finger on the moves and built the scouting. But his owner is not patient and the taste of 2018 has him thinking it's always possible. So it's one thing to have depth and develop it takes time. A few drafts. Very expensive to do it with trades and UFA. And everyone has that thin line to call players up...or close to 2/3 of the league does anyway. Colorado had to move Cole out so they can use Byram. Toronto had to move money around to get Robertson in the lineup. Montreal only has a 21 man roster. 10 teams are in LTIR. It's either we're all in cap hell...or nobody is. Being in LTIR means you can go above the cap, not that you are necessarily in cap trouble. TB NEEDED it to get under the cap, but most others were not in cap trouble. St.L used it to sign Hoffman to help replace Steen and Tarasenko for example. Your last sentence makes no sense, no two teams are exactly alike.
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