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Post by hal on Jul 29, 2021 20:28:00 GMT -4
Scottie Barnes ...........Mistake ? .........Not Sure but I was hoping they would have taken Suggs .
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 30, 2021 7:49:59 GMT -4
Scottie Barnes ...........Mistake ? .........Not Sure but I was hoping they would have taken Suggs . He seems to fit in the Siakam Annoby mold of a player they want to develop into a big, athletic all around player.
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Post by hal on Aug 2, 2021 19:39:23 GMT -4
Raptors do a Sign and Trade with Heat for Kyle Lowry ............3 years - 100 million .....$$$$$$$$$$ . Return has not been announced .
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Post by statsman18 on Aug 3, 2021 9:00:33 GMT -4
Raptors do a Sign and Trade with Heat for Kyle Lowry ............3 years - 100 million .....$$$$$$$$$$ . Return has not been announced . The money is a little less then that, it’s said to be around 90. I read some where that the max he can sign for was 87.5 on a 3 year deal which would be just under 30 mill per year. Now I don’t know how true that is but it was from a Toronto report who seems to know the whole CBA cap stuff. The return hasn’t been made public yet but the “rumour” is it’s Goran Dragic and Precious Achiuwa. Then Dragic will be shipped to the Mavs and maybe for Canadian centre Dwight Powell. The Powell part is just a rumour but the Heat part is all but confirmed. Their might be a 2nd round pick too but that is speculation.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Aug 3, 2021 12:31:24 GMT -4
Raptors are getting veteran point guard Goran Dragic and power forward Precious Achiuwa.
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Post by hal on Aug 5, 2021 16:19:17 GMT -4
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Post by statsman18 on Aug 6, 2021 9:01:12 GMT -4
This is an amazing way to announce it too.
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Post by hal on Aug 7, 2021 17:20:34 GMT -4
Tampering with Kyle Lowry ? ....Stay Tuned .
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Post by hal on Aug 10, 2021 15:59:29 GMT -4
Scottie Barnes ...........Mistake ? .........Not Sure but I was hoping they would have taken Suggs . He seems to fit in the Siakam Annoby mold of a player they want to develop into a big, athletic all around player. It's only early........real early ........But that Suggs looks pretty good .
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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 11, 2021 8:59:53 GMT -4
He seems to fit in the Siakam Annoby mold of a player they want to develop into a big, athletic all around player. It's only early........real early ........But that Suggs looks pretty good . And so does Barnes. They're also both like 19 and still developing as players. Have you seen either play more then once? Or even at all?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Aug 11, 2021 9:11:42 GMT -4
It's only early........real early ........But that Suggs looks pretty good . And so does Barnes. They're also both like 19 and still developing as players. Have you seen either play more then once? Or even at all? The pick was definitely a bit of a head scratcher but Ujiri knows a lot more about basketball than me.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Aug 11, 2021 9:28:09 GMT -4
And so does Barnes. They're also both like 19 and still developing as players. Have you seen either play more then once? Or even at all? The pick was definitely a bit of a head scratcher but Ujiri knows a lot more about basketball than me. I seen like 10 mock drafts leading up....3 had the Raptors picking Barnes. People are acting like they picked the 26th ranked player. They picked the guy most had from 5th-7th at #4. Went with the bigger forward over the smaller guard. It was a mild surprise but the kind that we see basically every year at the NBA draft. No draft goes perfectly based on projected rankings.
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Post by hal on Aug 11, 2021 13:39:22 GMT -4
It's only early........real early ........But that Suggs looks pretty good . And so does Barnes. They're also both like 19 and still developing as players. Have you seen either play more then once? Or even at all? How could / Or Why ? ...would I make the comment if I never seen them play ? C'mon Johnny . I said it was "REAL EARLY" ..I just like what I seen from Suggs early on ......that's all I was saying .
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Post by statsman18 on Aug 16, 2021 15:05:09 GMT -4
I want to add to this whole conversation about Barnes and Suggs. I started this thread back in February and back then I was watching Mock drafts and seeing who were projected too 15 players were. At the time the Raps were around the 12 pick and I don’t think they had the Covid issue yet. Then we’ll we seen how everything played out and where the picks ended up after the lottery. Any ways I watched a lot of the madness tournament and I seen Barnes play every Madnesses game they played because back then he was linked to the Raptors at the 12 spot. I read every report and I thought IMO why would they want a guy who shoots like shit and at that sizes doesn’t rebound? The rebound part was only because the position FS had him playing. They wanted him to stay up top and pass down low. He would basically stay at the top of the key look for the open guy. Never shot or drive. The more and more I watched him the more I didn’t want the raps to pick him. And that was around the 10 to 12 spot. It also needs to be said that was roughly where he was rated until the combine. He did jump big time after that.
Suggs however I watch only like 2 times because like I said at the time the Raps were never in a place to get him. At seasons end they were looking at the 7th pick so I never thought Suggs was in play. Now here what I did see from him. There’s nothing to not like. He creates for other player and himself. He’s an okay shooter but what’s there is way easier to work with then what Barnes brings to the table. IMO I seen a lot of Dwyane Wade in Suggs game. There’s no way of proving this but once again IMO if the Raps took Suggs he would have been the ROY. I say that because of the team they have that he would have got to play with. I don’t think he will with Orlando they just don’t have the supporting cast that the Raps do.
I’ve also seen all of the Summer league games. Barnes has been allowed to play a bit more down low and shown he can fight for those rebounds which was a huge sore spot for the Raps last year. His defence is by far his strength that needs to be said. As a forward he does look good. In FS he played mostly as the backup guard. He was the 6th man and rookie of the conference but it was mostly because of the defence.
To try and sum everything up here IMO I feel Barnes is a project where Suggs is more of a polished project able player. I personally really wanted Suggs because once again IMO I see Suggs as a Raptor being the alpha dog as early as his 2nd season. Like I said I seen a lot of Wade in his game that I could see him becoming a player like D Wade.
A side note is Masai has not so secretively been chasing Giannis Antetokounmpo. If you read go back and read some things about Giannis back at draft time there’s some similarities to what was said about Giannis game and Barnes game. I personally can see a path to moulding Barnes into a Giannis 2.0 but it’s going to take time, like maybe his 2nd contact.
That IMO is the difference. One (Suggs) could be the best player on the team as early as next season. Where as Barnes will be good if he never gets better, but if he gets better and it will take years of work he could be maybe a Giannis 2.0. I think that’s why they took him. The question is can Nick mould him that way?
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Post by coleminer on Sept 25, 2021 19:25:33 GMT -4
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