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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 14, 2021 8:02:14 GMT -4
Tavares is being paid superstar money and he hasn't been a superstar in Toronto, it will only get worse as he slows. Top 10 in goals, top 20 in points, essentially a point per game. He’s one of the leagues premier players and delivered on his expectations. I don’t know exactly what you expected but that contract is not yet bad. It may become it but it’s not there yet. Facts dont matter once you get into back and forth with Billy. His opinion wont change no matter what information you provide to say otherwise.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 14, 2021 8:21:06 GMT -4
Top 10 in goals, top 20 in points, essentially a point per game. He’s one of the leagues premier players and delivered on his expectations. I don’t know exactly what you expected but that contract is not yet bad. It may become it but it’s not there yet. Facts dont matter once you get into back and forth with Billy. His opinion wont change no matter what information you provide to say otherwise. The facts are that his numbers are not superstar numbers.
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Post by bois on Jul 14, 2021 10:38:44 GMT -4
Facts dont matter once you get into back and forth with Billy. His opinion wont change no matter what information you provide to say otherwise. The facts are that his numbers are not superstar numbers. there is no such thing as superstar numbers... it's all subjective anyhow back to Minnesota.. obviously they are gambling a bit on the cap rebounding in a couple years.... and they also needed to do this to not risk losing Dumba for nothing with expansion draft coming up... and free up some money now to get Kaprizov deal done i also would argue that the deals were definitely ridiculous at the time they were signed but it was known it was a package deal and they really wanted the hometown boy... Parise especially was never going to live up the deal and its not surprising he didn't.... Suter I would actually argue did live up to it in many ways..... he's an aboslute horse and I am pretty sure he was a Norris finalist once or twice since the signing i expect Parise will wind up taking a cheap 1-2 year deal but I think Suter can still get decent pay on the free agent market..... he is still a top 4 dman on any team in the league
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 14, 2021 10:49:48 GMT -4
The facts are that his numbers are not superstar numbers. there is no such thing as superstar numbers... it's all subjective anyhow back to Minnesota.. obviously they are gambling a bit on the cap rebounding in a couple years.... and they also needed to do this to not risk losing Dumba for nothing with expansion draft coming up... and free up some money now to get Kaprizov deal done i also would argue that the deals were definitely ridiculous at the time they were signed but it was known it was a package deal and they really wanted the hometown boy... Parise especially was never going to live up the deal and its not surprising he didn't.... Suter I would actually argue did live up to it in many ways..... he's an aboslute horse and I am pretty sure he was a Norris finalist once or twice since the signing i expect Parise will wind up taking a cheap 1-2 year deal but I think Suter can still get decent pay on the free agent market..... he is still a top 4 dman on any team in the league I would have bought out Parise and kept Suter. Or tried to move Parise while retaining a few million.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 14, 2021 11:09:29 GMT -4
Facts dont matter once you get into back and forth with Billy. His opinion wont change no matter what information you provide to say otherwise. The facts are that his numbers are not superstar numbers. The facts are that superstar numbers is not a real thing but its another subjective claim you make to prolong arguments while you continually refuse to do your own homework and actually try to back up your claim. As others post numbers and statements to clarify positions you just throw out garbage 1 liners with no substance to them and even when proven to be 100% false on your claims you will just find another nugget within the topic to move your attention over to deflect onto something else. You said Price impacted the game more then Tavares at playoff time. Which either makes you a troll or a complete moron. Yet also list Price in the superstar list and say yourself that "Price's numbers suffered because the team was rebuilding. I'm not a fan of his contract in 3 and 4 years" Why are you not a fan of the contract for your superstar if he's just suffering from a rebuilding team? Isnt the team rebuilt now? Or did you already forget the playoff run? You're so busy trying to tell us why Tavares isn't a superstar (that playoff series he played such a huge role in being a factor!) you dont even notice how you talk out of your ass when it comes to Carey Price.
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Post by themandalorian on Jul 14, 2021 12:31:00 GMT -4
Erik Johnson doing the Avs a huge favor and waiving his NMC so they can protect Makar, Toews and Girard. Speculation that a new contract for Landeskog is far off but if they had agreed they would have to protect him... as a UFA upcoming they don't so I expect that deal gets announced on FA day.
Skinner has waived his NMC as well.
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Jul 14, 2021 17:44:49 GMT -4
there is no such thing as superstar numbers... it's all subjective anyhow back to Minnesota.. obviously they are gambling a bit on the cap rebounding in a couple years.... and they also needed to do this to not risk losing Dumba for nothing with expansion draft coming up... and free up some money now to get Kaprizov deal done i also would argue that the deals were definitely ridiculous at the time they were signed but it was known it was a package deal and they really wanted the hometown boy... Parise especially was never going to live up the deal and its not surprising he didn't.... Suter I would actually argue did live up to it in many ways..... he's an aboslute horse and I am pretty sure he was a Norris finalist once or twice since the signing i expect Parise will wind up taking a cheap 1-2 year deal but I think Suter can still get decent pay on the free agent market..... he is still a top 4 dman on any team in the league I would have bought out Parise and kept Suter. Or tried to move Parise while retaining a few million. What doesnt make sense is Edmonton betting on 38 year old Keith and paying to do so. They may have been better with Suter. Of course it wasnt common knowledge he would be available post buyout when they made the Keith deal. Also no guarantee Suter wants to play in Canada. There is a market for him and will hear some short term offers. Suter is durable. Missed somewhere under 20 games in his career. And is a vocal player leader in the room. He rubs off in a good way on teammates who can learn from him. This is the type of player that can change a lazy culture.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 15, 2021 10:06:27 GMT -4
I would have bought out Parise and kept Suter. Or tried to move Parise while retaining a few million. What doesnt make sense is Edmonton betting on 38 year old Keith and paying to do so. They may have been better with Suter. Of course it wasnt common knowledge he would be available post buyout when they made the Keith deal. Also no guarantee Suter wants to play in Canada. There is a market for him and will hear some short term offers. Suter is durable. Missed somewhere under 20 games in his career. And is a vocal player leader in the room. He rubs off in a good way on teammates who can learn from him. This is the type of player that can change a lazy culture. I think if they waited on Keith they get him with cap retention for a lesser price. Especially after all the dust settles on free agency.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 15, 2021 10:25:03 GMT -4
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Post by themandalorian on Jul 15, 2021 10:41:30 GMT -4
I stand corrected, it appears that Landeskog wants salary and term so it looks more and more like he won't be coming back to Colorado. He is a very good player but his numbers have been inflated by being on the line with Mackinnon and Rantanen the last few years and signing him at a high salary for 8 years is really going to hurt them in a few years when his body starts to break down when he is 32-33 years old.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 15, 2021 11:11:50 GMT -4
I stand corrected, it appears that Landeskog wants salary and term so it looks more and more like he won't be coming back to Colorado. He is a very good player but his numbers have been inflated by being on the line with Mackinnon and Rantanen the last few years and signing him at a high salary for 8 years is really going to hurt them in a few years when his body starts to break down when he is 32-33 years old. He is a hard guy to put numbers on($$$), his offensive numbers are a bit inflated but he brings a lot of intangibles that are not shown on the numbers. My guess on him is in the 7 x 7M range on the UFA market.
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Post by themandalorian on Jul 15, 2021 12:40:23 GMT -4
I stand corrected, it appears that Landeskog wants salary and term so it looks more and more like he won't be coming back to Colorado. He is a very good player but his numbers have been inflated by being on the line with Mackinnon and Rantanen the last few years and signing him at a high salary for 8 years is really going to hurt them in a few years when his body starts to break down when he is 32-33 years old. He is a hard guy to put numbers on($$$), his offensive numbers are a bit inflated but he brings a lot of intangibles that are not shown on the numbers. My guess on him is in the 7 x 7M range on the UFA market. Word is that he wants in the 9M$ range and at least a 7 year deal; Sakic is offering only 5.5M$ so perhaps they meet in the middle. Landeskog is important but he is not worth 9M$ at a Kucherov level.
Other rumours have the Avs interested in trading for Kuemper from Arizona so maybe Grubauer is asking for too much as well.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 15, 2021 12:49:47 GMT -4
I stand corrected, it appears that Landeskog wants salary and term so it looks more and more like he won't be coming back to Colorado. He is a very good player but his numbers have been inflated by being on the line with Mackinnon and Rantanen the last few years and signing him at a high salary for 8 years is really going to hurt them in a few years when his body starts to break down when he is 32-33 years old. There's rarely upside to giving any 28yr old an 8yr deal in the NHL. There's always a cheaper replacement. Not as productive or the same player....but you move on.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 15, 2021 13:14:34 GMT -4
He is a hard guy to put numbers on($$$), his offensive numbers are a bit inflated but he brings a lot of intangibles that are not shown on the numbers. My guess on him is in the 7 x 7M range on the UFA market. Word is that he wants in the 9M$ range and at least a 7 year deal; Sakic is offering only 5.5M$ so perhaps they meet in the middle. Landeskog is important but he is not worth 9M$ at a Kucherov level.
Other rumours have the Avs interested in trading for Kuemper from Arizona so maybe Grubauer is asking for too much as well.
Even 7M might be too much for Colorado given what they will need to give MacKinnon and co down the road.
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Post by themandalorian on Jul 15, 2021 21:42:15 GMT -4
Ryan Graves to the Devils for Maltsev, 9 points in 33 NHL games this past season, and the Islanders 2nd round pick in 2021 or pick #60 as well as needed cap space. I like Graves but I think he kind of played his way off the Avs in that series against Vegas and this also makes room for Byram.
Word is that Ryan Suter hung up on Guerin when he found out about the buyout, I would like to see , no I would love to see Suter take a 1-2 year deal at a nice salary of course and play with Byram on the 3rd pairing and dominate Minnesota and give them the ole FU in response.
But back to the deal- I like it as the Kraken were almost certainly taking Graves so great to get some assets for him. Maltsev can most likely be on their 4th line this year and the Avs needed picks in this year's draft as a few were traded wisely, for Toews, and others pissed away, for Nemeth.
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