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Post by bois on Jul 16, 2021 8:45:34 GMT -4
rumours are Washington and Suter ... we shall see... he might be this years Chara for them
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 16, 2021 8:51:29 GMT -4
rumours are Washington and Suter ... we shall see... he might be this years Chara for them He would be a very good fit on a contender where he could play 2nd pair. If he is smart he makes the money reasonable which helps him find the right spot. I expect Parise to end up playing for Lou, likely in a 3rd line role, likely won't make a ton but he's made, and will still make a lot of cash, from the Minnesota deal.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 16, 2021 10:03:36 GMT -4
rumours are Washington and Suter ... we shall see... he might be this years Chara for them That makes sense. So would Boston. He'll have no shortage of offers.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 16, 2021 10:04:19 GMT -4
rumours are Washington and Suter ... we shall see... he might be this years Chara for them He would be a very good fit on a contender where he could play 2nd pair. If he is smart he makes the money reasonable which helps him find the right spot. I expect Parise to end up playing for Lou, likely in a 3rd line role, likely won't make a ton but he's made, and will still make a lot of cash, from the Minnesota deal. Parise could be a depth replacement in Tampa as well.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 18, 2021 10:44:07 GMT -4
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 21, 2021 11:00:44 GMT -4
Seattle is apparently grabbing Larsson 4 years at 4M AAV, big hole left on D in Edmonton.
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Post by hal on Jul 22, 2021 8:40:42 GMT -4
Not sure who is gonna score the Goals for the Kraken but you better keep your Head Up in their end , some Big Boys back there . They should have some Solid Goaltending out of the gate also . Some of the Players chosen though I honestly never heard of .
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 22, 2021 8:51:22 GMT -4
Not sure who is gonna score the Goals for the Kraken but you better keep your Head Up in their end , some Big Boys back there . They should have some Solid Goaltending out of the gate also . Some of the Players chosen though I honestly never heard of . I think things will make more sense once trades are announced. Plus they have lots of cap room to take on guys like Voracek if Phillie wants to dump salary or go after UFA's. I heard they were talking to Landeskog. I'm sure they can grab 2 or 3 pretty good mid range UFA's if they do nothing else. On a few teams they passed on obvious choices. Plus they have line 11 d-men who are not waiver exempt, so I assume at least 2 or 3 will be traded. One obviously weird one was taking UFA Quenneville over RFS Zadorov. Passing on Bean for Geekie is also weird.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 22, 2021 10:15:24 GMT -4
Not sure who is gonna score the Goals for the Kraken but you better keep your Head Up in their end , some Big Boys back there . They should have some Solid Goaltending out of the gate also . Some of the Players chosen though I honestly never heard of . I'm not seeing the solid goaltending. Driedger is an unproven backup with 41 NHL games. Vanecek had every opportunity to seize the #1 job this past season in Washington and couldnt. Daccord's NHL numbers are mediocre. They built a solid D core and should be able to sign some scoring but I can see goaltending being the achilles heel for them. The best expansion teams we've seen in the last 30 years drafted legit #1 NHL goaltenders. They picked 2 guys who maybe could become that but are far from it based on track record. And the 3rd was basically "we need to fill certain requirements and Ottawa as a young team has little to offer". You just be sold on Driedger to think they are solid. Francis certainly is based on the contract extension. I think they're bottom 5 in the league for goaltending as of now.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 22, 2021 10:24:16 GMT -4
Not sure who is gonna score the Goals for the Kraken but you better keep your Head Up in their end , some Big Boys back there . They should have some Solid Goaltending out of the gate also . Some of the Players chosen though I honestly never heard of . I think things will make more sense once trades are announced. Plus they have lots of cap room to take on guys like Voracek if Phillie wants to dump salary or go after UFA's. I heard they were talking to Landeskog. I'm sure they can grab 2 or 3 pretty good mid range UFA's if they do nothing else. On a few teams they passed on obvious choices. Plus they have line 11 d-men who are not waiver exempt, so I assume at least 2 or 3 will be traded. One obviously weird one was taking UFA Quenneville over RFS Zadorov. Passing on Bean for Geekie is also weird. If Bean and Geekie's draft positions were reversed nobody would be questioning it. Bean hasn't developed as expected. What I don't get is if the other teams were harder to deal with this time around....why not be a bit bolder and call some bluffs? They apparently dont have many deals coming today which means Francis dropped the ball on some of those selections. And i'll say that overall the Vegas intro was much better done then that mess last night. The ESPN announcers started the show talking about all the speculation.....that was killed about 8 hours before they went live. I think Vegas even announced some deals during their draft. Seattle feels very much like the anti-Vegas to me right now. I guess we'll see what they look like when the dust settles in the next 10 days or so but I thought i'd be more impressed with their roster.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 22, 2021 10:28:25 GMT -4
I think things will make more sense once trades are announced. Plus they have lots of cap room to take on guys like Voracek if Phillie wants to dump salary or go after UFA's. I heard they were talking to Landeskog. I'm sure they can grab 2 or 3 pretty good mid range UFA's if they do nothing else. On a few teams they passed on obvious choices. Plus they have line 11 d-men who are not waiver exempt, so I assume at least 2 or 3 will be traded. One obviously weird one was taking UFA Quenneville over RFS Zadorov. Passing on Bean for Geekie is also weird. If Bean and Geekie's draft positions were reversed nobody would be questioning it. Bean hasn't developed as expected. What I don't get is if the other teams were harder to deal with this time around....why not be a bit bolder and call some bluffs? They apparently dont have many deals coming today which means Francis dropped the ball on some of those selections. And i'll say that overall the Vegas intro was much better done then that mess last night. The ESPN announcers started the show talking about all the speculation.....that was killed about 8 hours before they went live. I think Vegas even announced some deals during their draft. Seattle feels very much like the anti-Vegas to me right now. I guess we'll see what they look like when the dust settles in the next 10 days or so but I thought i'd be more impressed with their roster. If there are not a lot of picking to them today, they definitely dropped he ball. Price's contract is huge so I can see passing on him, but guys like Tarasenko, JVR and Voracek are guys I'm sure teams would pay for if they ate 1-2M of cap hit. LV stockpiled picks and got a lot of solid vets, so far, Seattle looks like they got caught asking for too much. I guess they wanted a 1st and a prospect to pass on Allen. That's just nuts.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 23, 2021 13:26:34 GMT -4
Here’s a list of the trades the Golden Knights made prior to the draft: Acquired a 2017 sixth-round pick from the Buffalo Sabres to select Carrier. Traded a 2018 fourth-round pick and agreed to select Marchessault from the Panthers for RW Reilly Smith. Acquired D Shea Theodore from Ducks and agreed to select Stoner. Traded a conditional third-round pick and agreed to select Haula from the Wild for F Alex Tuch. Acquired a 2020 second-round pick from Penguins to agree to select Fleury.
Here’s a list of the trades the Kraken made prior to the draft: Acquired 4th round round pick from Calgary to draft Tyler Pitlick from Arizona and trade him to Calgary
Wow.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 24, 2021 17:57:08 GMT -4
Here’s a list of the trades the Golden Knights made prior to the draft: Acquired a 2017 sixth-round pick from the Buffalo Sabres to select Carrier. Traded a 2018 fourth-round pick and agreed to select Marchessault from the Panthers for RW Reilly Smith. Acquired D Shea Theodore from Ducks and agreed to select Stoner. Traded a conditional third-round pick and agreed to select Haula from the Wild for F Alex Tuch. Acquired a 2020 second-round pick from Penguins to agree to select Fleury. Here’s a list of the trades the Kraken made prior to the draft: Acquired 4th round round pick from Calgary to draft Tyler Pitlick from Arizona and trade him to Calgary Wow. not just that but they made some creative cap moves to add a pile of picks their 1st 3 years which two 1sts turned into Suzuki and Brannstrom and got the Stone and Pacioretty. www.capfriendly.com/trades/goldenknights?season=2017Yes they took bad contracts but they got paid handsomely.
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Jul 25, 2021 5:35:13 GMT -4
Can't judge Seattle based on just the expansion draft. They had a decent entry draft. But they have a boatload of cash still to be active in free agency.
So what if Vegas went and got "names people knew" on their expansion draft? It looks like Seattle isn't keen on flipping away picks to get key players and are in an envious cash position going to free agency. And they are keeping their picks and not taking on anchor contracts.
Also Seattle doesn't have to sell the game like Vegas owner felt he needed to. Vegas had to be competitive out the gate with the Raiders standing in wings to suck the media attention. Vegas is built on new hockey fans who didn't have hockey background.
Seattle also has the easiest division to enter a league of any expansion team. They are at the same starting block with 3 (or 4) existing division opponents just without any bloated contracts yet. They have time. Time is valuable in building.
It's clear that Seattle is building a clear identity. Physical sound hockey team to win 2-1 games.
Vegas is trying to win 5-3. Vegas has been firewagon hockey pretty much from the start.
See who wins the cup first.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 26, 2021 9:30:35 GMT -4
Can't judge Seattle based on just the expansion draft. They had a decent entry draft. But they have a boatload of cash still to be active in free agency. So what if Vegas went and got "names people knew" on their expansion draft? It looks like Seattle isn't keen on flipping away picks to get key players and are in an envious cash position going to free agency. And they are keeping their picks and not taking on anchor contracts. Also Seattle doesn't have to sell the game like Vegas owner felt he needed to. Vegas had to be competitive out the gate with the Raiders standing in wings to suck the media attention. Vegas is built on new hockey fans who didn't have hockey background. Seattle also has the easiest division to enter a league of any expansion team. They are at the same starting block with 3 (or 4) existing division opponents just without any bloated contracts yet. They have time. Time is valuable in building. It's clear that Seattle is building a clear identity. Physical sound hockey team to win 2-1 games. Vegas is trying to win 5-3. Vegas has been firewagon hockey pretty much from the start. See who wins the cup first. My Seattle comments are based on all the extra assets Vegas was able to pull out of the Expansion draft. They built the depth of their team and organization from those initial moves. Getting guys like Tuch, Smith, Marchessault, Theodore, Karlsson, Fleury plus many extra draft picks. Seattle to me is building a younger hard working team. They'll sign some scoring like Jaden Schwartz for example but its hard to see them having the same impact Vegas did early on without all those added assets Vegas was able to walk away with. There's really no comparison for what George MacPhee did vs what Ron Francis was able to accomplish in terms of organizational depth. Maybe playing in a weak division kind of evens some of that out early on. But its a very noticeable difference. For all the hype people had about this expansion draft after Vegas the only extra they secured was a 4th rounder for flipping 1 average player. I think everyone expected way more fallout then that early on from an expansion team.
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