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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 27, 2021 10:35:13 GMT -4
Time to look at off season moves.
Right now here is the roster:
Signed:
Suzuki
Toffoli
Gallagher
Anderson
Caufield
Byron
Drouin
Evans
Weber(LTIR)
Petry
Chiarot
Edmundson
Kulak
Romanov
Price
Allen
RFA's
Lehkonen
Kotkaniemi
They currently have 14M to sign the two RFA's(4-5M?) plus find a top 4D and hopefully top 2C. Weber on LTIR as it appears opens up 7.8M more that they can spend, so they appear to be in a position where they can spend big in the short term, but lots of young guys will need extensions plus Weber could return next year, though it's unlikely, they still need to have that flexibility.
There has been talk of signing Paquette Wideman and Savard, with his recent play, hopefully Savard is cheap and not long term. Perry is another option. They had talks to Buffalo about Eichel but hard to say how serious that is. Dvorak of Ari would be a good fit at the right cost. Poehling is a guy who could take a spot after a very strong finish in the AHL(15pts in his last 12 games).
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 27, 2021 10:41:40 GMT -4
With JKK falling on the depth chart as the playoffs wrapped up I think he as a prospect might be among the best Buffalo might get in an Eichel offer.
JKK, Romanov, 2 #1's get it done? High price but I doubt anyone else can top it and you get a legit #1 C entering his prime.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 27, 2021 11:08:55 GMT -4
With JKK falling on the depth chart as the playoffs wrapped up I think he as a prospect might be among the best Buffalo might get in an Eichel offer. JKK, Romanov, 2 #1's get it done? High price but I doubt anyone else can top it and you get a legit #1 C entering his prime. Buffalo is putting on a brave face saying they are in no rush, but this week is a pressure point on getting things done, once everybody is at or near the cap, 10M will be a lot harder to move plus the market will undoubtedly shrink. I was surprised at how cheap Reinhart went for. He was on a 35G 60 point pace and is only 25. |
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Post by hal on Jul 27, 2021 11:18:22 GMT -4
With JKK falling on the depth chart as the playoffs wrapped up I think he as a prospect might be among the best Buffalo might get in an Eichel offer. JKK, Romanov, 2 #1's get it done? High price but I doubt anyone else can top it and you get a legit #1 C entering his prime. Entering his Prime yes but is he truly healthy ? |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 27, 2021 11:25:47 GMT -4
With JKK falling on the depth chart as the playoffs wrapped up I think he as a prospect might be among the best Buffalo might get in an Eichel offer. JKK, Romanov, 2 #1's get it done? High price but I doubt anyone else can top it and you get a legit #1 C entering his prime. Entering his Prime yes but is he truly healthy ? The medical side will obviously be a big factor. |
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Post by bois on Jul 27, 2021 11:53:09 GMT -4
Rumours are Paquette is already agreed to a contract
i have read that Eichel would cost Kotkaniemi, one of Guhle or Romanov, Poehling, a first and a cap dump (Byron or Drouin)
i don't love Eichel but cant deny the talent and if u could get him without losing Suzuki i gotta think very hard about it
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Post by Score on Jul 27, 2021 18:21:40 GMT -4
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Post by Citris on Jul 27, 2021 19:32:57 GMT -4
Rumours are Paquette is already agreed to a contract i have read that Eichel would cost Kotkaniemi, one of Guhle or Romanov, Poehling, a first and a cap dump (Byron or Drouin) i don't love Eichel but cant deny the talent and if u could get him without losing Suzuki i gotta think very hard about it If that's all that Eichel cost, I'd pull the trigger in a heartbeat. |
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Post by jimmy on Jul 28, 2021 7:20:45 GMT -4
Rumours are Paquette is already agreed to a contract i have read that Eichel would cost Kotkaniemi, one of Guhle or Romanov, Poehling, a first and a cap dump (Byron or Drouin) i don't love Eichel but cant deny the talent and if u could get him without losing Suzuki i gotta think very hard about it If that's all that Eichel cost, I'd pull the trigger in a heartbeat. I would be hesitant for a few reasons ... one, Eichel's health status - how long will he miss? And what is his ceiling moving forward? Is he an 80 point centre? 100 point centre? ; two, his contract ... huge cap hit - and we see around the league what kind of value is being given to players with huge cap hits in trades - next to none. You can pay all of those young assets together, and still have some left for a depth piece or two, with the money Eichel would cost ; three, and this may be the big one for me that drives me to emphasize the negative end of my first two scenarios ... something smells bad about Eichel. Is it just the Buffalo stench? Maybe ... but I am not so sure ... I think he may be a (big) part of the culture problem in Buffalo. In recent years, the Habs have tried to put an emphasis on winners ... that is not Eichel. Look at the way he and his followers have handled his eventual exit from the Sabres - I would argue that they have actively sabotaged his trade value with their comments and behaviour. Going back several years, he seems perpetually unhappy, and all to willing to blame others for the team's shortcomings, while accepting little responsibility as captain and highest paid player. All-in-all, if I am going to commit $10 million a year to a player, he better be a guy you can go to war with - a player you can envision being the best player on a Cup winning team. Eichel isn't that guy, to me. |
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Post by bois on Jul 28, 2021 7:29:34 GMT -4
If that's all that Eichel cost, I'd pull the trigger in a heartbeat. I would be hesitant for a few reasons ... one, Eichel's health status - how long will he miss? And what is his ceiling moving forward? Is he an 80 point centre? 100 point centre? ; two, his contract ... huge cap hit - and we see around the league what kind of value is being given to players with huge cap hits in trades - next to none. You can pay all of those young assets together, and still have some left for a depth piece or two, with the money Eichel would cost ; three, and this may be the big one for me that drives me to emphasize the negative end of my first two scenarios ... something smells bad about Eichel. Is it just the Buffalo stench? Maybe ... but I am not so sure ... I think he may be a (big) part of the culture problem in Buffalo. In recent years, the Habs have tried to put an emphasis on winners ... that is not Eichel. Look at the way he and his followers have handled his eventual exit from the Sabres - I would argue that they have actively sabotaged his trade value with their comments and behaviour. Going back several years, he seems perpetually unhappy, and all to willing to blame others for the team's shortcomings, while accepting little responsibility as captain and highest paid player. All-in-all, if I am going to commit $10 million a year to a player, he better be a guy you can go to war with - a player you can envision being the best player on a Cup winning team. Eichel isn't that guy, to me. As an outside fan and observer I agree with your last point wholeheartedly however i don't know that we have seen Montreal organization put an emphasis on proven winners at all.... we made a big trade splash few years ago by adding Drouin and look how that turned out? bottom line is we have lacked a bonafide top center for a very long time... assuming Eichel's health issues can be resolved and bring him back to his peak before last year or very close to it..... there is no question he is a top line talent who plays the most pivotal position of need in our organization will be an interesting follow for sure... and hell there may very well be nothing to the rumours at all |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 28, 2021 7:51:16 GMT -4
If that's all that Eichel cost, I'd pull the trigger in a heartbeat. I would be hesitant for a few reasons ... one, Eichel's health status - how long will he miss? And what is his ceiling moving forward? Is he an 80 point centre? 100 point centre? ; two, his contract ... huge cap hit - and we see around the league what kind of value is being given to players with huge cap hits in trades - next to none. You can pay all of those young assets together, and still have some left for a depth piece or two, with the money Eichel would cost ; three, and this may be the big one for me that drives me to emphasize the negative end of my first two scenarios ... something smells bad about Eichel. Is it just the Buffalo stench? Maybe ... but I am not so sure ... I think he may be a (big) part of the culture problem in Buffalo. In recent years, the Habs have tried to put an emphasis on winners ... that is not Eichel. Look at the way he and his followers have handled his eventual exit from the Sabres - I would argue that they have actively sabotaged his trade value with their comments and behaviour. Going back several years, he seems perpetually unhappy, and all to willing to blame others for the team's shortcomings, while accepting little responsibility as captain and highest paid player. All-in-all, if I am going to commit $10 million a year to a player, he better be a guy you can go to war with - a player you can envision being the best player on a Cup winning team. Eichel isn't that guy, to me. My only concern is the neck injury. The off ice stuff I chalk up to the Buffalo environment where careers go to die. I think a new start would be great for him if he can get to 100% physically. |
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Post by jimmy on Jul 28, 2021 8:11:31 GMT -4
I would be hesitant for a few reasons ... one, Eichel's health status - how long will he miss? And what is his ceiling moving forward? Is he an 80 point centre? 100 point centre? ; two, his contract ... huge cap hit - and we see around the league what kind of value is being given to players with huge cap hits in trades - next to none. You can pay all of those young assets together, and still have some left for a depth piece or two, with the money Eichel would cost ; three, and this may be the big one for me that drives me to emphasize the negative end of my first two scenarios ... something smells bad about Eichel. Is it just the Buffalo stench? Maybe ... but I am not so sure ... I think he may be a (big) part of the culture problem in Buffalo. In recent years, the Habs have tried to put an emphasis on winners ... that is not Eichel. Look at the way he and his followers have handled his eventual exit from the Sabres - I would argue that they have actively sabotaged his trade value with their comments and behaviour. Going back several years, he seems perpetually unhappy, and all to willing to blame others for the team's shortcomings, while accepting little responsibility as captain and highest paid player. All-in-all, if I am going to commit $10 million a year to a player, he better be a guy you can go to war with - a player you can envision being the best player on a Cup winning team. Eichel isn't that guy, to me. My only concern is the neck injury. The off ice stuff I chalk up to the Buffalo environment where careers go to die. I think a new start would be great for him if he can get to 100% physically. I am just always leery to give a complete free pass to guys who were part of the leadership group of what was clearly dysfunctional on many levels. It would be one thing if he was a depth guy, or a young kid, or just a recent acquisition, but he was the captain of the team ... SOME of the responsibility for the shit-show is on him. How much, open for debate ... |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 28, 2021 10:55:06 GMT -4
My only concern is the neck injury. The off ice stuff I chalk up to the Buffalo environment where careers go to die. I think a new start would be great for him if he can get to 100% physically. I am just always leery to give a complete free pass to guys who were part of the leadership group of what was clearly dysfunctional on many levels. It would be one thing if he was a depth guy, or a young kid, or just a recent acquisition, but he was the captain of the team ... SOME of the responsibility for the shit-show is on him. How much, open for debate ... Part of the problem is expecting a 21-23 year old to come in and lead with not much leadership help around him. He wasn't surrounded by Webers Prices Getzlafs Crosbys Giordanos etc That's one of the reasons the scorched earth rebuilds don't usually work, you lose the team culture and leadership of quality veterans. |
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Post by Score on Jul 28, 2021 16:57:39 GMT -4
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Post by hal on Jul 28, 2021 18:59:44 GMT -4
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