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Post by hfxfan09 on Jul 28, 2021 18:18:47 GMT -4
Well a bit early but hey with free agency let's start a Sens thread, things are beginning to look up in Ottawa with good goaltending with Matt Murray hopefully having a good season finally. Today they signed Nick Holden from Vegas, followed by getting Michael Del Zotto from Columbus. Resigning DJ Smith and getting forward Andrew Agozzino from it looks like Anaheim. I expect them to still go after a forward.
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Post by hfxfan09 on Oct 14, 2021 8:50:54 GMT -4
Sens Regular season home opener tonight against the Leafs; hopefully they get Tkachuck signed soon but things finally are starting to look up in Ottawa.
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Post by hal on Oct 14, 2021 15:40:59 GMT -4
7 years - 57.5 for Tkachuck after turning down 8-64 ......now I am sure that the Tkachuck's deep down have a reason for this but it seems like splitting hairs . Anyway they got the Player I wish The Habs had of taken signed Long Term but we all know why they didn't and the guy they did isn't even there anymore ......and another thing ......SORRY ....this is The Senators thread ....so Good Luck to you Guys , you got a Key Piece to what is hopefully gonna be a dandy Team in a few years .
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 14, 2021 16:08:39 GMT -4
7 years - 57.5 for Tkachuck after turning down 8-64 ......now I am sure that the Tkachuck's deep down have a reason for this but it seems like splitting hairs . Anyway they got the Player I wish The Habs had of taken signed Long Term but we all know why they didn't and the guy they did isn't even there anymore ......and another thing ......SORRY ....this is The Senators thread ....so Good Luck to you Guys , you got a Key Piece to what is hopefully gonna be a dandy Team in a few years . Tkachuk is a good player and a core piece for them, seems a bit rich unless he can find a couple more gears offensively. In 3 years his production has been pretty much the same year to year. He should be above average in scoring largely based on volume, he isn't great defensively or in terms of playmaking. Once the other young guys mature he might end up as a 2nd liner, which is not bad in itself, just makes the AAV hard to digest.
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Post by scotiahockey on Oct 15, 2021 8:16:24 GMT -4
7 years - 57.5 for Tkachuck after turning down 8-64 ......now I am sure that the Tkachuck's deep down have a reason for this but it seems like splitting hairs . Anyway they got the Player I wish The Habs had of taken signed Long Term but we all know why they didn't and the guy they did isn't even there anymore ......and another thing ......SORRY ....this is The Senators thread ....so Good Luck to you Guys , you got a Key Piece to what is hopefully gonna be a dandy Team in a few years . Tkachuk is a good player and a core piece for them, seems a bit rich unless he can find a couple more gears offensively. In 3 years his production has been pretty much the same year to year. He should be above average in scoring largely based on volume, he isn't great defensively or in terms of playmaking. Once the other young guys mature he might end up as a 2nd liner, which is not bad in itself, just makes the AAV hard to digest. The 8.2 is a lot but Ottawa is going to have to overpay to keep guys there. He’s not a 2nd liner though, that kid is a 1st line player once he matures and reaches his peak. You don’t find many guys in the NHL now with his skill set and his physicality, he’s a unicorn in today’s NHL. His impact isn’t fully measured in points.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 15, 2021 8:28:16 GMT -4
Tkachuk is a good player and a core piece for them, seems a bit rich unless he can find a couple more gears offensively. In 3 years his production has been pretty much the same year to year. He should be above average in scoring largely based on volume, he isn't great defensively or in terms of playmaking. Once the other young guys mature he might end up as a 2nd liner, which is not bad in itself, just makes the AAV hard to digest. The 8.2 is a lot but Ottawa is going to have to overpay to keep guys there. He’s not a 2nd liner though, that kid is a 1st line player once he matures and reaches his peak. You don’t find many guys in the NHL now with his skill set and his physicality, he’s a unicorn in today’s NHL. His impact isn’t fully measured in points. Purely in terms of offense he is a 4.5-5M player who puts up 45-50 points a year. Obviously the physical game and agitating is worth something, brings him up to a 6-6.5M player. His offensive game has not really changed much since he arrived, year one he was at 0.63, year 2 at 0.62 and year 4 at 0.64. He plays a very simple game, unless he adds a dimension he hasn't had so far, at some point the cap hit/salary will be an issue. I agree they likely had to overpay but that's usually an extra 250-500K/year. IMO anything above 6.75-7M will end up being an overpayment. Especially if guys like Stutzle, Sanderson Docker etc develop and end up getting good money. Then the cap becomes an issue and Melnyk is notoriously cheap.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 15, 2021 9:03:10 GMT -4
The 8.2 is a lot but Ottawa is going to have to overpay to keep guys there. He’s not a 2nd liner though, that kid is a 1st line player once he matures and reaches his peak. You don’t find many guys in the NHL now with his skill set and his physicality, he’s a unicorn in today’s NHL. His impact isn’t fully measured in points. Purely in terms of offense he is a 4.5-5M player who puts up 45-50 points a year. Obviously the physical game and agitating is worth something, brings him up to a 6-6.5M player. His offensive game has not really changed much since he arrived, year one he was at 0.63, year 2 at 0.62 and year 4 at 0.64. He plays a very simple game, unless he adds a dimension he hasn't had so far, at some point the cap hit/salary will be an issue. I agree they likely had to overpay but that's usually an extra 250-500K/year. IMO anything above 6.75-7M will end up being an overpayment. Especially if guys like Stutzle, Sanderson Docker etc develop and end up getting good money. Then the cap becomes an issue and Melnyk is notoriously cheap. You literally explained why he has a dimension few others have then say unless he adds a dimension he still doesnt have his salary will be an issue. In what world do NHL players add dimensions they already dont have? A high majority further develop the skills they already have. Not necessarily measurable in points but certainly measurable in the impact they have on their team. The cap goes up in year 4 of this deal...meaning if he progresses in ANY area over the first 3 years they likely have a steal for the final 4. The only way Ottawa doesnt like this deal is A) Offensive production completely disappears or B) Major injury causes him to lose the physical dimension. At no point does anyone expect him to become something he already isn't. He's paid to be what he is. And I highly doubt he's considered an issue at any point.
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Post by jimmy on Oct 15, 2021 10:46:45 GMT -4
The 8.2 is a lot but Ottawa is going to have to overpay to keep guys there. He’s not a 2nd liner though, that kid is a 1st line player once he matures and reaches his peak. You don’t find many guys in the NHL now with his skill set and his physicality, he’s a unicorn in today’s NHL. His impact isn’t fully measured in points. Purely in terms of offense he is a 4.5-5M player who puts up 45-50 points a year. Obviously the physical game and agitating is worth something, brings him up to a 6-6.5M player. His offensive game has not really changed much since he arrived, year one he was at 0.63, year 2 at 0.62 and year 4 at 0.64. He plays a very simple game, unless he adds a dimension he hasn't had so far, at some point the cap hit/salary will be an issue. I agree they likely had to overpay but that's usually an extra 250-500K/year. IMO anything above 6.75-7M will end up being an overpayment. Especially if guys like Stutzle, Sanderson Docker etc develop and end up getting good money. Then the cap becomes an issue and Melnyk is notoriously cheap. I think $8 million plus is a bit of an overpay ... how much remains to be seen. So long as he doesn't regress offensively or in terms of his physical playing style over the term on the deal, I think you can live with it. I don't necessarily disagree when you say the typical "overpay premium" to get someone to Ottawa is 250-500k, but this is not a typical situation ... he is the heart and soul, and the leader of that next generation - other than Chabot, he is the first one to sign on long term and send the signal that things have changed ... so I think that is probably worth a bit more than the typical overpay - it sends the message to the players and the league that the team is for real.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Oct 15, 2021 11:52:16 GMT -4
Purely in terms of offense he is a 4.5-5M player who puts up 45-50 points a year. Obviously the physical game and agitating is worth something, brings him up to a 6-6.5M player. His offensive game has not really changed much since he arrived, year one he was at 0.63, year 2 at 0.62 and year 4 at 0.64. He plays a very simple game, unless he adds a dimension he hasn't had so far, at some point the cap hit/salary will be an issue. I agree they likely had to overpay but that's usually an extra 250-500K/year. IMO anything above 6.75-7M will end up being an overpayment. Especially if guys like Stutzle, Sanderson Docker etc develop and end up getting good money. Then the cap becomes an issue and Melnyk is notoriously cheap. I think $8 million plus is a bit of an overpay ... how much remains to be seen. So long as he doesn't regress offensively or in terms of his physical playing style over the term on the deal, I think you can live with it. I don't necessarily disagree when you say the typical "overpay premium" to get someone to Ottawa is 250-500k, but this is not a typical situation ... he is the heart and soul, and the leader of that next generation - other than Chabot, he is the first one to sign on long term and send the signal that things have changed ... so I think that is probably worth a bit more than the typical overpay - it sends the message to the players and the league that the team is for real. Yeah there are intangibles there that can't be measured by points. From all accounts he's the heartbeat of that locker room. Getting him to commit long term is huge for the image of the organization. In the end every market has their own quirks and every rebuild has a person who is a catalyst that you try and keep around even if the price isn't necessarily a steal. We can't compare this to say an $8.5 million deal signed in Tampa. Even though the salary cap kinds of forces people to look at everything through that light...meaning to some literally every contract signed by some teams is an overpay it seems like.
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Post by hfxfan09 on Oct 15, 2021 16:56:12 GMT -4
Good start against the Leafs another close one, Back at it tmr night!
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Post by hal on Nov 5, 2021 11:16:39 GMT -4
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 5, 2021 11:27:03 GMT -4
I can't speak to how he is off the ice, but based on how industrial strength irritating he is on the ice it's a good fit!
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Post by hal on Nov 12, 2021 7:44:56 GMT -4
Coach Smith just said on Sportsnet that they now have 13 Guys out .
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 12, 2021 9:23:11 GMT -4
Coach Smith just said on Sportsnet that they now have 13 Guys out . I find the whole way this is being handled kind of crazy. The NHL has no formal vaccination policy so anyone can be unvaccinated but may not be able to cross borders/play in certain arenas. So to have a breakout within an entire team...knowing the science behind how long it can take to test positive...and the fact the arena can be full (of vaccinated people, yes) means the vaccines not working at 100% can easily mean spread within the vaccinated crowd. Seems like a lot of risk to me. Especially in a world with variants and boosters being confirmed. You would think keeping that team away from others until the positive cases stop wouldn't be that much of a logistical nightmare. There's no way to please everyone with this stuff though. Its just obvious that pro sports leagues have taken up the popular comment ripped to shreds on the internet by doctors and scientists for the last 2 years: To these leagues covid is the flu and is being viewed as such.
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Post by jimmy on Nov 12, 2021 10:27:02 GMT -4
Coach Smith just said on Sportsnet that they now have 13 Guys out . I find the whole way this is being handled kind of crazy. The NHL has no formal vaccination policy so anyone can be unvaccinated but may not be able to cross borders/play in certain arenas. So to have a breakout within an entire team...knowing the science behind how long it can take to test positive...and the fact the arena can be full (of vaccinated people, yes) means the vaccines not working at 100% can easily mean spread within the vaccinated crowd. Seems like a lot of risk to me. Especially in a world with variants and boosters being confirmed. You would think keeping that team away from others until the positive cases stop wouldn't be that much of a logistical nightmare. There's no way to please everyone with this stuff though. Its just obvious that pro sports leagues have taken up the popular comment ripped to shreds on the internet by doctors and scientists for the last 2 years: To these leagues covid is the flu and is being viewed as such. It is like watching a science experiment play out in real time. For the pro sports leagues, but also for our schools, businesses and other aspects of daily life. COVID is not going away anytime soon, so we have to figure out how to live with it - some level of safety restrictions are needed, but how many and when is still being figured out. Physical health and safety of the few vs. mental and financial health of the broader community. Push too far one way and you risk the other - trying to figure out the balance is ever evolving. We have seen situations where pro teams have one or two positive cases that they manage to isolate and avoid spread while the team plays on … but we have also seen situations where it runs through a team and leads to many cases. In the latter situation, hindsight says more should have been done sooner (I.e. shut down period for the team of some sort); in the former, you can argue that the current protocols were effective in limiting spread. It sounds like leagues should be considering some sort of threshold whereby a team is shut down for a period of time to cut it off - I am no epidemiologist, but it would seem that this would be more than just a couple of cases, but perhaps fewer than the 13 we currently see with the Sens. Something along the lines of once total cases surpass X, all team activities are postponed until Y days without a new positive case. I am sure it is not quite that simple.
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