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Post by hal on Jan 27, 2022 13:29:22 GMT -4
Keep your Head up Rasmus Dahlin ........... Then keep your head up Chabot. Then keep your head up Tuch. It's not 1985 any more. The pay back logic is tired and based on our history we all know very clearly is absolutely does not do anything to help the initial incident and just sees worse incidents happen in response. How many incidents happened from say 2000 to 2010 or so in leagues like the NHL and the Q that were embarrassing and fully based on that "look out next time!" logic? 1 shitty incident doesn't deserve 1 shittier incident in response. You break my leg so I break your neck? We want more Bertuzzi incidents? More early 00's Q logic where goons who could barely skate were viewed as policemen yet there was no time with worst incidents than when the meat heads existed in full force. I don't know why hockey fans stick to such a toxic way of viewing questionable incidents within the sport itself. Its not boxing or UFC. Injuring Rasmus Dahlin just makes that person an asshole...it doesn't do anything to help Drake Batherson or his team...but yes some 60+yr old Senator fans will get the warm and fuzzies about the old days coming back when we all see the evolution of the sport being pretty clear when it comes to fighting as a way to intimidate or settle scores. .........all that but you never offered up a Solution .
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 27, 2022 13:37:19 GMT -4
Then keep your head up Chabot. Then keep your head up Tuch. It's not 1985 any more. The pay back logic is tired and based on our history we all know very clearly is absolutely does not do anything to help the initial incident and just sees worse incidents happen in response. How many incidents happened from say 2000 to 2010 or so in leagues like the NHL and the Q that were embarrassing and fully based on that "look out next time!" logic? 1 shitty incident doesn't deserve 1 shittier incident in response. You break my leg so I break your neck? We want more Bertuzzi incidents? More early 00's Q logic where goons who could barely skate were viewed as policemen yet there was no time with worst incidents than when the meat heads existed in full force. I don't know why hockey fans stick to such a toxic way of viewing questionable incidents within the sport itself. Its not boxing or UFC. Injuring Rasmus Dahlin just makes that person an asshole...it doesn't do anything to help Drake Batherson or his team...but yes some 60+yr old Senator fans will get the warm and fuzzies about the old days coming back when we all see the evolution of the sport being pretty clear when it comes to fighting as a way to intimidate or settle scores. .........all that but you never offered up a Solution . Your solution...is also not a solution. Its retaliation. So in your way more people get hurt which does nothing to Batherson or Dell. How does that fix anything? And I offered the solution you just didn't view is as a solution. Vs calling up a goon to take the knees out of Dahlin use your Canadian press and voice your displeasure with how Dell's suspension is a positive due to how bad he is and how you think the penalty should be him playing. Physical "eye for an eye" logic only gets more people hurt. Some mental warfare might actually change behaviour more than physical threats will though. I'd rather be in the head of the average goalie vs killing a penalty because in 3 weeks time I decide to get revenge and piss away 2 points and risk my captain or someone else being a part of the chaos and breaking his hand in a fight against a goon. I'd rather be the coach taking heat for hurting someones feelings on the other team then being the one defending why my captain is out for 4-6 weeks in retaliation to something that happened a month ago that wasnt actioned at all during that game by my team but nobody also talks about the 2 points we took thanks to not retaliating and turning the game into a UFC match in an empty arena.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jan 27, 2022 14:09:37 GMT -4
They already changed the comparison to history by giving a point for OT losses. Might as well fix it. Not exactly though. There were always ties handing out 1 point. They simply made that as a regulation item and made teams play for the winner point. But 2 points is still 2 points so 45 wins in 2022 is the same as 45 wins in 1980. And both era's have wrinkles around ties/loser points which are kind of both the same in a way only the product is better where each game has a definitive outcome vs the tie nobody wants to pay to watch. Not necessarily because pre OT, you only had regulation wins and you had a pile of ties(ex: 80-81, every NHL team had at least 13 ties), nowadays every one of those games goes in to OT and has a winner, that's an average of 7-8 more wins per team.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 27, 2022 14:25:07 GMT -4
Not exactly though. There were always ties handing out 1 point. They simply made that as a regulation item and made teams play for the winner point. But 2 points is still 2 points so 45 wins in 2022 is the same as 45 wins in 1980. And both era's have wrinkles around ties/loser points which are kind of both the same in a way only the product is better where each game has a definitive outcome vs the tie nobody wants to pay to watch. Not necessarily because pre OT, you only had regulation wins and you had a pile of ties(ex: 80-81, every NHL team had at least 13 ties), nowadays every one of those games goes in to OT and has a winner, that's an average of 7-8 more wins per team. Yep but its still about winning and a win is still 2 points. I doubt that ever changes.
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Post by hal on Jan 27, 2022 17:30:04 GMT -4
The Senators will sort this out .......let's just hope that Batherson recovers and in a timely fashion and that it's not one of those Ankle Injuries that never returns to 100% because that would be a real shame whether it's 1992 or 2022 .
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Post by hal on Jan 27, 2022 17:34:40 GMT -4
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Post by MikeC on Jan 27, 2022 19:46:32 GMT -4
I am also in favour of the 3-2-1 points system. I believe it would encourage teams to play for the win in regulation more, rather than playing it safe in a tie game in the 3rd to make sure you get their 1 point. Kind of like how the NFL moving the PAT kick back to the 15 yard line has encouraged more teams to go or the 2 point conversion. The risk/reward is improved.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2022 8:47:13 GMT -4
I am also in favour of the 3-2-1 points system. I believe it would encourage teams to play for the win in regulation more, rather than playing it safe in a tie game in the 3rd to make sure you get their 1 point. Kind of like how the NFL moving the PAT kick back to the 15 yard line has encouraged more teams to go or the 2 point conversion. The risk/reward is improved. As a traditionalist - it (3-2-1) would kind of throw things out of whack when comparing eras - but we'd all get used to it before too long. It does seem to be fairer. The NSJHL went to that system a few years ago - and when I sat down and figured it out - I don't think that the standings ever changed a single time from the old way of doing things - but with so many teams in the NHL - it likely would. For me personally - I never saw ties as "kissing your sister." There were many - MANY days back in the 1970's when we went to school on a Monday morning and raved about what a good game it had been on Saturday night when Montreal and Toronto had tied 3-3. Everybody was happy. It was different times - but still - a solid tie was very fulfilling. I really liked the shootout - at first - and then Peter Forsberg made me wish there was no such thing as an individual skill competition to decide games. One of the biggest things I dislike about the 3-2-1 system - OTW - OTL - is figuring out the standings in tournaments. . . Different strokes. . . I find it really neat here when the Admins take an active role in posting. Obviously - you guys are some of the most knowledgeable on the entire board.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jan 28, 2022 8:52:34 GMT -4
I am also in favour of the 3-2-1 points system. I believe it would encourage teams to play for the win in regulation more, rather than playing it safe in a tie game in the 3rd to make sure you get their 1 point. Kind of like how the NFL moving the PAT kick back to the 15 yard line has encouraged more teams to go or the 2 point conversion. The risk/reward is improved. I agree its clearly a better system. I just don't see the traditionalists letting the playoff races that the loser point system generates disappear. They love that parity as it keeps more teams in it later into the season.
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Post by hfxfan09 on Feb 14, 2022 9:17:34 GMT -4
What does everyone think young Ottawa's biggest need Is at the trade deadline? I mean I've been following online haven't seen any games this year. But by the sounds of it they do have a lot of youth, and the 2 games they were shutout they got great goaltending from Murray and then yesterday they beat a very good Washington team?
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Feb 14, 2022 9:24:45 GMT -4
What does everyone think young Ottawa's biggest need Is at the trade deadline? To relocate and get the hell out of Ottawa.
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Post by bois on Feb 14, 2022 9:49:17 GMT -4
To continue what they've been doing.. stockpiling picks for more cheap young talent to supplement their group going forward
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 14, 2022 10:12:57 GMT -4
What does everyone think young Ottawa's biggest need Is at the trade deadline? I mean I've been following online haven't seen any games this year. But by the sounds of it they do have a lot of youth, and the 2 games they were shutout they got great goaltending from Murray and then yesterday they beat a very good Washington team? At the deadline they should keep getting younger. But at some point I think they need to bring in a veteran D for some stability. They also still need to find a legit #1 G I think but those are things you address in the summer.
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Post by sec19fan on Mar 1, 2022 8:18:45 GMT -4
A non-COVID illness is making its way through the Senators' dressing room and the players are feeling the effects. D.J. Smith said that eight or nine players now have the flu and the skate in Tampa was cancelled. Thomas Chabot, who missed Saturday's game against Montreal with the sickness, said he lost 13 pounds due to the illness.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 21, 2022 11:48:06 GMT -4
Quite the head scratcher that Ottawa gives up a 3rd for Hamonic who was on waivers twice earlier this year...
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