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Post by yesisaiditfirst on May 18, 2023 7:45:01 GMT -4
I seen on Twitter that I guess the Arena was going to be built in an area that's a toxic dump right now and they were going to use private money for it to be cleaned which wouldn't have affected tax payers and this could've actually been a good situation because I guess it has to be cleaned eventually and would cost tax payers like 50 million, so voting yes for the arena would've helped in that situation. (take with grain of salt as I don't know how reliable this source is). rough situation overall. This the crazy piece....the propositions were not about asking for tax dollars for this...it was about changing zoning laws and other elements. But when people hear propositions around stadiums, they think it's tax dollars. The PACs running against this also muddy the airwaves so people thought it was about tax dollars. First off, shouldn't have gone to a vote. Secondly, when it did the Coyotes went cheap and figured they had the votes because it wasn't about tax dollars. They didn't campaign nor did they market what a Yes vote meant. Just a stupid situation and Gary has no one to blame but himself. This is the same ownership group that somehow missed payrolls. They went cheap and now they are currently stuck in a 5000 arena. What a joke. Again danger of a society that thinks everything should have to go to a referendum then why do they need city councils if they never make decisions. This could be anything they want developed. I think the Coyotes didn't spend to campaign because they knew if voter turnout was low they had a chance. If it looked like a sports franchise was getting anything 50% of public would show up to vote against. But of course it was a vote to change the zoning. Nobody really objects to airplane noise over an entertainment development. Residential community maybe. PERHAPS they needed to be more blunt. No entertainment district then that equals team moves to another state. Can't leave impression that if we lose we will figure out plan B. The billboard needed be clear. VOTES FOR YOTES. They lost anyway by crossing fingers. That just doesn't work. They needed to drive the vote on this one. Lots of Tempe folk who neglected to vote woke up in morning probably suprised they ain't getting an entertainment district.
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Post by Captain Obvious on May 18, 2023 7:57:49 GMT -4
Obviously there won't be a resolution for next year, but they need something done for 24-25 or it will cripple the franchise. Not sure why they didn't stay in Glendale, nice spot to play, great neighborhood. There is talk of a joint project with the Suns for a new building downtown. Glendale didn't want them. The Coyotes wanted to sign a long term extension but the City of Glendale didn't want them as tenants. They kicked them out for not paying their rent...but the Coyotes stubbornly moved and turned it into a fiasco. Both parties lost, not the area has no major tenant and the Coyotes have no NHL rink.
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Post by jimmy on May 18, 2023 10:42:09 GMT -4
I see the NHL has indicated that the plan is for the Coyotes to play out of Mullett Arena for 2023-24 - who knows how final that is, or if it is just to announce that there is a plan until a better plan materializes ... While I am sure the NHLPA would hate the idea, I wonder if they consider playing some of the home games elsewhere a la Montreal Expos ... the league could use the opportunity to gauge the interest of potential markets (i.e. play a few games in Salt Lake City, Houston, Kansas City, etc.), and/or boost the hockey related revenue for the league ... play a few "home" games in Quebec City - guarantee they would sell-out, save a few Eastern teams a western road trip. Revenue-wise, it would seem to be a slam dunk - the NHLPA would be the hurdle, not sure if they could block the idea or not, or simply be unhappy about it ...
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Post by Smiley on May 18, 2023 12:11:50 GMT -4
I see the NHL has indicated that the plan is for the Coyotes to play out of Mullett Arena for 2023-24 - who knows how final that is, or if it is just to announce that there is a plan until a better plan materializes ... While I am sure the NHLPA would hate the idea, I wonder if they consider playing some of the home games elsewhere a la Montreal Expos ... the league could use the opportunity to gauge the interest of potential markets (i.e. play a few games in Salt Lake City, Houston, Kansas City, etc.), and/or boost the hockey related revenue for the league ... play a few "home" games in Quebec City - guarantee they would sell-out, save a few Eastern teams a western road trip. Revenue-wise, it would seem to be a slam dunk - the NHLPA would be the hurdle, not sure if they could block the idea or not, or simply be unhappy about it ... That was a nothing burger release. They were already planning on playing in Mullet Arena next season, the vote didn't impact next season. Now they might sell the franchise but selling it takes time and moving takes time as well. Atlanta was sold and moved quickly, but there were a lot of talks behind the scenes that happened first. The team was always going to play in Arizona next season, just no time to relocate for next season. But 24/25 is what is up in the air.
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Post by lirette on May 18, 2023 12:22:42 GMT -4
If Quebec isn't going to happen, I'd love to see them go to Houston. You get an immediate state rival with Dallas, and a team in the biggest city without a team already. The city is generally wealthy so I don't suspect ticket sales would be an issue with todays modern price point.
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Post by jimmy on May 18, 2023 12:23:50 GMT -4
I see the NHL has indicated that the plan is for the Coyotes to play out of Mullett Arena for 2023-24 - who knows how final that is, or if it is just to announce that there is a plan until a better plan materializes ... While I am sure the NHLPA would hate the idea, I wonder if they consider playing some of the home games elsewhere a la Montreal Expos ... the league could use the opportunity to gauge the interest of potential markets (i.e. play a few games in Salt Lake City, Houston, Kansas City, etc.), and/or boost the hockey related revenue for the league ... play a few "home" games in Quebec City - guarantee they would sell-out, save a few Eastern teams a western road trip. Revenue-wise, it would seem to be a slam dunk - the NHLPA would be the hurdle, not sure if they could block the idea or not, or simply be unhappy about it ... That was a nothing burger release. They were already planning on playing in Mullet Arena next season, the vote didn't impact next season. Now they might sell the franchise but selling it takes time and moving takes time as well. Atlanta was sold and moved quickly, but there were a lot of talks behind the scenes that happened first. The team was always going to play in Arizona next season, just no time to relocate for next season. But 24/25 is what is up in the air. I am not 100% convinced they play at Mullet this season ... they needed to say something for the time being, so they did. There is no upside to playing in a 5,000 seat rink with temporary dressing rooms if they are not staying long term. Admittedly it is unlikely they could relocate them quick enough for this season ... announce that they are leaving and that they will play the 2023-24 season only in Quebec (likely significantly increasing HRR compared to Mullett) ... with a permanent home to be determined via a quasi expansion bid process (solicit bids, but rather than an expansion team they get the existing organization).
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Post by jimmy on May 18, 2023 12:24:28 GMT -4
If Quebec isn't going to happen, I'd love to see them go to Houston. You get an immediate state rival with Dallas, and a team in the biggest city without a team already. The city is generally wealthy so I don't suspect ticket sales would be an issue with todays modern price point. Problem I am hearing is that interest from Houston is apparently lukewarm thus far ...
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Post by jimmy on May 18, 2023 12:26:30 GMT -4
With the Sens currently being auctioned to multiple bidders, perhaps they can leverage this ... go to the Neko Sparks group with Snoop Dogg involved, tell them look, we would love to have you involved in our league - we are going to sell the Sens to one of the Canadian groups (say Andlauer for arguments sake), but we are prepared to sell you the Coyotes to relocate to the market of your choosing for the 2024-25 season ...
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Post by hal on May 18, 2023 13:10:08 GMT -4
Didn't the relocation of the Atlanta Thrashers to Winnipeg happen during "one" Off Season ? Patrick Mahomes and Kansas City seem interested and they have an NHL ready Arena already in place .
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Post by jimmy on May 18, 2023 15:25:57 GMT -4
Didn't the relocation of the Atlanta Thrashers to Winnipeg happen during "one" Off Season ? Patrick Mahomes and Kansas City seem interested and they have an NHL ready Arena already in place . It did happen very quickly … but not sure you go into a non-traditional market and sell your tickets fast enough to be ready for year one - you basically need to sell your season tickets day one with no marketing required. Only market that could work in would be Quebec … and even then … didn’t the Winnipeg ownership group already have a successful AHL franchise to springboard off of in terms of sales and such? Quebec would be starting from scratch …
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Post by moosefan1994 on May 18, 2023 15:26:58 GMT -4
I see the NHL has indicated that the plan is for the Coyotes to play out of Mullett Arena for 2023-24 - who knows how final that is, or if it is just to announce that there is a plan until a better plan materializes ... While I am sure the NHLPA would hate the idea, I wonder if they consider playing some of the home games elsewhere a la Montreal Expos ... the league could use the opportunity to gauge the interest of potential markets (i.e. play a few games in Salt Lake City, Houston, Kansas City, etc.), and/or boost the hockey related revenue for the league ... play a few "home" games in Quebec City - guarantee they would sell-out, save a few Eastern teams a western road trip. Revenue-wise, it would seem to be a slam dunk - the NHLPA would be the hurdle, not sure if they could block the idea or not, or simply be unhappy about it ... That was a nothing burger release. They were already planning on playing in Mullet Arena next season, the vote didn't impact next season. Now they might sell the franchise but selling it takes time and moving takes time as well. Atlanta was sold and moved quickly, but there were a lot of talks behind the scenes that happened first. The team was always going to play in Arizona next season, just no time to relocate for next season. But 24/25 is what is up in the air. They should put the Coyotes in Houston, that way Texas would finally have an NHL team!!
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Post by Smiley on May 18, 2023 18:46:42 GMT -4
That was a nothing burger release. They were already planning on playing in Mullet Arena next season, the vote didn't impact next season. Now they might sell the franchise but selling it takes time and moving takes time as well. Atlanta was sold and moved quickly, but there were a lot of talks behind the scenes that happened first. The team was always going to play in Arizona next season, just no time to relocate for next season. But 24/25 is what is up in the air. They should put the Coyotes in Houston, that way Texas would finally have an NHL team!! hmmm...I dunno there seems to be some sort of Texan looking logo there. I didn't see Montreal or Colorado or what ever team you are cheering on these days on there.
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Post by Captain Obvious on May 19, 2023 8:00:22 GMT -4
They should put the Coyotes in Houston, that way Texas would finally have an NHL team!! hmmm...I dunno there seems to be some sort of Texan looking logo there. I didn't see Montreal or Colorado or what ever team you are cheering on these days on there. It's like shooting fish in a barrel...
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