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Post by Score on Sept 15, 2022 11:43:26 GMT -4
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 15, 2022 12:57:18 GMT -4
I would rather than than giving Bogaerts a raise.
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Post by bois on Sept 16, 2022 5:03:46 GMT -4
You mean the guy about to win the batting title?
Yeah good call
Not that the two should even be at all correlated as they play completely different positions
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 16, 2022 7:47:31 GMT -4
You mean the guy about to win the batting title? Yeah good call Not that the two should even be at all correlated as they play completely different positions With the soft cap it's about where you spend your money. They can slide Story to SS and get a defensive upgrade. Bogaerts has a high average but his power all but disappeared, if I'm spending 25+M on a player he better be a run producer. Bogaerts won't reach 20hr and 80 RBI. maybe that's fine at 10-15M but not 25+
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 16, 2022 8:33:32 GMT -4
You mean the guy about to win the batting title? Yeah good call Not that the two should even be at all correlated as they play completely different positions With the soft cap it's about where you spend your money. They can slide Story to SS and get a defensive upgrade. Bogaerts has a high average but his power all but disappeared, if I'm spending 25+M on a player he better be a run producer. Bogaerts won't reach 20hr and 80 RBI. maybe that's fine at 10-15M but not 25+ Boston is a team where the "soft cap" is soft for a reason. One of the few markets who can handle a payroll well beyond whatever MLB lists as a "soft cap". Why even worry about the cap? It should be about how to put the best 25 on the field after taking a step back. Its not like other sports where the cap actually handcuffs and restricts what you can do. MLB's cap is a random line drawn that every year we see teams go well beyond because some markets can afford it solely based off the TV money. The revenue a fan base like Boston brings in means a "soft cap" should never come into play when discussing the highest of high end free agents you can sign.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 16, 2022 8:54:55 GMT -4
With the soft cap it's about where you spend your money. They can slide Story to SS and get a defensive upgrade. Bogaerts has a high average but his power all but disappeared, if I'm spending 25+M on a player he better be a run producer. Bogaerts won't reach 20hr and 80 RBI. maybe that's fine at 10-15M but not 25+ Boston is a team where the "soft cap" is soft for a reason. One of the few markets who can handle a payroll well beyond whatever MLB lists as a "soft cap". Why even worry about the cap? It should be about how to put the best 25 on the field after taking a step back. Its not like other sports where the cap actually handcuffs and restricts what you can do. MLB's cap is a random line drawn that every year we see teams go well beyond because some markets can afford it solely based off the TV money. The revenue a fan base like Boston brings in means a "soft cap" should never come into play when discussing the highest of high end free agents you can sign. That's simply not reality. NY and LA are the biggest markets in baseball and both will go over the cap but only short term, then come back below so as not to face the stiffest penalties. Most years teams will get under the soft cap and sneak over if the right player is available. I believe after 3 years
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Post by Jack Bauer on Sept 16, 2022 9:25:06 GMT -4
Boston is a team where the "soft cap" is soft for a reason. One of the few markets who can handle a payroll well beyond whatever MLB lists as a "soft cap". Why even worry about the cap? It should be about how to put the best 25 on the field after taking a step back. Its not like other sports where the cap actually handcuffs and restricts what you can do. MLB's cap is a random line drawn that every year we see teams go well beyond because some markets can afford it solely based off the TV money. The revenue a fan base like Boston brings in means a "soft cap" should never come into play when discussing the highest of high end free agents you can sign. That's simply not reality. NY and LA are the biggest markets in baseball and both will go over the cap but only short term, then come back below so as not to face the stiffest penalties. Most years teams will get under the soft cap and sneak over if the right player is available. I believe after 3 years They have like $50 million coming off the payroll and you're saying you'd rather Judge vs giving Bogaerts a raise. Meanwhile Bogaerts is no guarantee to opt out and if he does you now have upwards of like $70 million off the payroll. Is this not the peak of coming back down before spending again? Don't get me wrong, I much prefer the Boston team nobody has to worry about trying to save money in an uncapped system where they rake in insane amounts of revenue. Stop letting the business of cheap MLB owners fool you. The revenue a World Series run for a big market brings in more than covers anything a market like Boston will spend on payroll. If Atlanta turns a 9 figure profit after winning I can only imagine what a big market reels in. But keep pretending the payroll means more then the game itself...so many people caught up in the business of these sports that they forget the games are played on the field and not in a boardroom sometimes.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 16, 2022 9:54:36 GMT -4
That's simply not reality. NY and LA are the biggest markets in baseball and both will go over the cap but only short term, then come back below so as not to face the stiffest penalties. Most years teams will get under the soft cap and sneak over if the right player is available. I believe after 3 years They have like $50 million coming off the payroll and you're saying you'd rather Judge vs giving Bogaerts a raise. Meanwhile Bogaerts is no guarantee to opt out and if he does you now have upwards of like $70 million off the payroll. Is this not the peak of coming back down before spending again? Don't get me wrong, I much prefer the Boston team nobody has to worry about trying to save money in an uncapped system where they rake in insane amounts of revenue. Stop letting the business of cheap MLB owners fool you. The revenue a World Series run for a big market brings in more than covers anything a market like Boston will spend on payroll. If Atlanta turns a 9 figure profit after winning I can only imagine what a big market reels in. But keep pretending the payroll means more then the game itself...so many people caught up in the business of these sports that they forget the games are played on the field and not in a boardroom sometimes. They will have a boatload of money to spend, especially if Bogaerts opts out...but they also have a lot of holes to fill. JDM is a FA, they will need a mid lineup bat to play 1B/OF/DH(Haniger?) They will also need another corner OF with pop(Pham is a possibility among others) They might need another catcher, depending on how much Contreras costs and how ready Wong is. In terms of pitching, Eovaldi Hill and Wacha are FA's, so they will need to sign two of those guys(Wacha and Eovaldi) or find replacements. In the bullpen they will need a couple of arms, another lefty and an 8th/9th inning guy. Once you fill all those holes, there isn't a ton of money. Devers will also need a raise/long term deal(see Austin Riley). By going after Judge(assuming he isn't signed by then), you fill a big hole in the middle of the lineup. They have Arroyo who is very good defensively at 2B and he has hit very well with Story out, stick him at 2B. They also have guys like Mayer Koss York logo Downs as 2B/SS prospects, if you lock up XB then those guys are blocked for 5 years. Bottom line, for me it's all about how much for how long. 6 years at 25+M won't age well. 4 years at 20M I can live with.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 17, 2022 9:23:16 GMT -4
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