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Post by jimmy on Jun 17, 2022 7:37:06 GMT -4
A rule I will always hate. Vegas (or any team) shouldn't be allowed to use dead contracts to fix salary cap because they screwed up their salary cap. You messed up, deal with it. I agree ... I like the LTIR exception for legitimate situations where your own player is injured, but you should not be able to trade for it. A provision to the effect that in order to be eligible, a player's most recent NHL game (or perhaps X # of games to prevent a team trading for a guy, and then dressing him once for a shift) must have been for your team in order to qualify for LTIR would be an improvement. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 17, 2022 8:06:32 GMT -4
A rule I will always hate. Vegas (or any team) shouldn't be allowed to use dead contracts to fix salary cap because they screwed up their salary cap. You messed up, deal with it. Dead contracts don't really "fix" the cap, they get to use LTIR but having more than one LTIR contract makes it hard to spend to the cap. Having one, you can work around it and get close to the cap, but it still a disadvantage versus not having that contract at all. Here is what I see from a Montreal perspective... 1-they are 95% sure Price won't play again, or at least won't in any meaningful way, they expect him on LTIR next year and beyond...possibly as early as October. His ongoing issues are not something that will go away with intense conditionning needed to be an NHL goalie. 2-By moving Weber you only manage one LTIR contract rather than 2, so you're not as hamstrung in how you do business. 3-Dadonov is a guy who can put up 25G and 50 points, they figure they can flip him at the TDL for a very good pick or young player. From what Hughes said more moves are coming, I see them moving Petry in the coming weeks. There is a lot of interest in Anderson, if they get a good return I would move him, that fees up 5.5M and he is 28 playing a physical style and you're a rebuilding team...as nice as it is to have him around the kids, that contract could be bad at 31 or 32. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 17, 2022 8:10:47 GMT -4
A rule I will always hate. Vegas (or any team) shouldn't be allowed to use dead contracts to fix salary cap because they screwed up their salary cap. You messed up, deal with it. I agree ... I like the LTIR exception for legitimate situations where your own player is injured, but you should not be able to trade for it. A provision to the effect that in order to be eligible, a player's most recent NHL game (or perhaps X # of games to prevent a team trading for a guy, and then dressing him once for a shift) must have been for your team in order to qualify for LTIR would be an improvement. I understand your point, but with Montreal if Price and Weber never play again, that makes it very hard on your GM the next 4 years. LTIR is not just free cap room, it limits in season moves and off season. www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq |
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Post by jimmy on Jun 17, 2022 9:42:32 GMT -4
I agree ... I like the LTIR exception for legitimate situations where your own player is injured, but you should not be able to trade for it. A provision to the effect that in order to be eligible, a player's most recent NHL game (or perhaps X # of games to prevent a team trading for a guy, and then dressing him once for a shift) must have been for your team in order to qualify for LTIR would be an improvement. I understand your point, but with Montreal if Price and Weber never play again, that makes it very hard on your GM the next 4 years. LTIR is not just free cap room, it limits in season moves and off season. www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faqAgree - I also don't like the one player limit ... if players are legitimately injured while playing for your team, you should be allowed as many of them on LTIR as you need. The spirit of the rules is that it should put you back where you otherwise would have been if not for the injury cap-wise ... not to trade for guys to take advantage of a loophole. As an aside - so if I understand it correctly ... Vegas used it's LTIR spot on Weber to facilitate dumping Dadonov's contract ... but they no longer will have any further cap relief from LTIR if another of their high priced players were to be injured, correct? |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 17, 2022 9:53:40 GMT -4
I understand your point, but with Montreal if Price and Weber never play again, that makes it very hard on your GM the next 4 years. LTIR is not just free cap room, it limits in season moves and off season. www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faqAgree - I also don't like the one player limit ... if players are legitimately injured while playing for your team, you should be allowed as many of them on LTIR as you need. The spirit of the rules is that it should put you back where you otherwise would have been if not for the injury cap-wise ... not to trade for guys to take advantage of a loophole. As an aside - so if I understand it correctly ... Vegas used it's LTIR spot on Weber to facilitate dumping Dadonov's contract ... but they no longer will have any further cap relief from LTIR if another of their high priced players were to be injured, correct? I think that's for the off season only, LV had 5 or 6 guys LTIR by year end. Will be interesting to see what they do with Lehner after throwing him under the bus late in the year. |
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Post by Mika on Jun 17, 2022 9:55:57 GMT -4
In the end this is a fantastic deal for Montreal. Drop a guy who may never play again, it gives them a chance to finally move on with a new captain, and you got a free piece of trade bait later in the season.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 17, 2022 10:00:10 GMT -4
In the end this is a fantastic deal for Montreal. Drop a guy who may never play again, it gives them a chance to finally move on with a new captain, and you got a free piece of trade bait later in the season. The other part is they need to shed some money to make it work and get their guys(Romanov & Pitlick) signed. |
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Post by Mika on Jun 17, 2022 10:01:31 GMT -4
In the end this is a fantastic deal for Montreal. Drop a guy who may never play again, it gives them a chance to finally move on with a new captain, and you got a free piece of trade bait later in the season. The other part is they need to shed some money to make it work and get their guys(Romanov & Pitlick) signed. That likely won't be an issue with guys like Price and Petry on the market. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 17, 2022 10:14:17 GMT -4
So many ways to fix it but the league just doesnt care because insurance is paying Webers contract and most of the others on LTIR and the NHL wants that salary on the ice in some way.
The fact games 1-82 have a cap and games 83+ dont tells you enough.
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Post by Score on Jun 17, 2022 10:21:22 GMT -4
it gives them a chance to finally move on with a new captain Gallagher probably deserves it......but I would make Suzuki Captain. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 17, 2022 10:52:06 GMT -4
So many ways to fix it but the league just doesnt care because insurance is paying Webers contract and most of the others on LTIR and the NHL wants that salary on the ice in some way. The fact games 1-82 have a cap and games 83+ dont tells you enough. The reason for that is that players are technically only paid for the regular season. Their LTIR/suspensions etc are calculated based on the days during the season 1/180 or whatever the number is. They could add something to the next CBA that your playoff roster for a series or nightly lineup would need to be within 10% of the cap. Most contenders are over the cap after the TDL as they only take on 25% or less(with retained) of players acquired. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 17, 2022 10:53:17 GMT -4
The other part is they need to shed some money to make it work and get their guys(Romanov & Pitlick) signed. That likely won't be an issue with guys like Price and Petry on the market. I don't think Price goes anywhere, he likely isn't playing any more and he is due about 30M the next 4 years. Much harder to move than Weber...but at least you can do the LTIR thing on a rebuild if you only have one of those. |
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 17, 2022 10:54:11 GMT -4
it gives them a chance to finally move on with a new captain Gallagher probably deserves it......but I would make Suzuki Captain. I would give it to Gallagher or Edmundson short term, Suzuki is still developing and doesn't need the extra pressure right now. Especially in a hockey crazed market. |
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Post by Mika on Jun 17, 2022 11:07:48 GMT -4
it gives them a chance to finally move on with a new captain Gallagher probably deserves it......but I would make Suzuki Captain. Gallagher is Montreal's Kieran Gallant, he's not the best player but he's just always going, giving 110%. He absolutely deserves it. |
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 17, 2022 11:23:52 GMT -4
So many ways to fix it but the league just doesnt care because insurance is paying Webers contract and most of the others on LTIR and the NHL wants that salary on the ice in some way. The fact games 1-82 have a cap and games 83+ dont tells you enough. The reason for that is that players are technically only paid for the regular season. Their LTIR/suspensions etc are calculated based on the days during the season 1/180 or whatever the number is. They could add something to the next CBA that your playoff roster for a series or nightly lineup would need to be within 10% of the cap. Most contenders are over the cap after the TDL as they only take on 25% or less(with retained) of players acquired. Its not complicated to play the entire season + playoffs under the same rules. They simply have no interest in doing so. Many big name UFA's get massive signing bonuses on day 1 of the season in July and earn league minimums as salary during the "season". Makes no sense for games 1-82 to have a strict cap and game 83 to have none. Shouldnt matter when anyone gets paid or who has injuries or not. Very easy to put in place as the system already exists...but like I said they have no interest in the playoffs being played under the same rules. |
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