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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 17, 2022 11:26:08 GMT -4
The reason for that is that players are technically only paid for the regular season. Their LTIR/suspensions etc are calculated based on the days during the season 1/180 or whatever the number is. They could add something to the next CBA that your playoff roster for a series or nightly lineup would need to be within 10% of the cap. Most contenders are over the cap after the TDL as they only take on 25% or less(with retained) of players acquired. Its not complicated to play the entire season + playoffs under the same rules. They simply have no interest in doing so. Many big name UFA's get massive signing bonuses on day 1 of the season in July and earn league minimums as salary during the "season". Makes no sense for games 1-82 to have a strict cap and game 83 to have none. Shouldnt matter when anyone gets paid or who has injuries or not. Very easy to put in place as the system already exists...but like I said they have no interest in the playoffs being played under the same rules. It's impossible to have the same rules because half the teams have no playoff games and even those that make the playoffs have no idea if they will play 4 games or 24 games. You know every team has an 82 game regular season and 182 day(or whatever the exact number is) regular season.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 17, 2022 11:32:06 GMT -4
Its not complicated to play the entire season + playoffs under the same rules. They simply have no interest in doing so. Many big name UFA's get massive signing bonuses on day 1 of the season in July and earn league minimums as salary during the "season". Makes no sense for games 1-82 to have a strict cap and game 83 to have none. Shouldnt matter when anyone gets paid or who has injuries or not. Very easy to put in place as the system already exists...but like I said they have no interest in the playoffs being played under the same rules. It's impossible to have the same rules because half the teams have no playoff games and even those that make the playoffs have no idea if they will play 4 games or 24 games. You know every team has an 82 game regular season and 182 day(or whatever the exact number is) regular season. You dont need to change your 182 day pay/cap plan. You just add a per day/game cap for every team that plays after day 182 to be pro-rated to match the exact same scale until their season ends. That way you have to play under the exact same cap for a playoff game as you do a regular season game. Its simple math and common sense...how the hell is it impossible to tell a team with an $82 million cap that they need to be under $82 million for game 82 AND game 83+?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 17, 2022 11:49:28 GMT -4
It's impossible to have the same rules because half the teams have no playoff games and even those that make the playoffs have no idea if they will play 4 games or 24 games. You know every team has an 82 game regular season and 182 day(or whatever the exact number is) regular season. You dont need to change your 182 day pay/cap plan. You just add a per day/game cap for every team that plays after day 182 to be pro-rated to match the exact same scale until their season ends. That way you have to play under the exact same cap for a playoff game as you do a regular season game. Its simple math and common sense...how the hell is it impossible to tell a team with an $82 million cap that they need to be under $82 million for game 82 AND game 83+? Because the cap is 1/82 per game times the cap number. The system is set up that you can accumulate cap room then add players at the TDL. If the playoffs was 1/82 per game, then every contender would be over the cap and there would be virtually no deadline deals. Would be very impractical. There are easier, more simple ways to do it without reinventing the wheel. Give teams the cap number plus 10% then do your daily limit including TDL additions. Most teams would be fine outside the Kane/Kucherov exceptions.
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Post by bois on Jun 17, 2022 11:59:47 GMT -4
Surprised to come home to this news last night but i like it
Hughes is cleaning up alot of bergevin errors already
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 17, 2022 12:21:22 GMT -4
You dont need to change your 182 day pay/cap plan. You just add a per day/game cap for every team that plays after day 182 to be pro-rated to match the exact same scale until their season ends. That way you have to play under the exact same cap for a playoff game as you do a regular season game. Its simple math and common sense...how the hell is it impossible to tell a team with an $82 million cap that they need to be under $82 million for game 82 AND game 83+? Because the cap is 1/82 per game times the cap number. The system is set up that you can accumulate cap room then add players at the TDL. If the playoffs was 1/82 per game, then every contender would be over the cap and there would be virtually no deadline deals. Would be very impractical. There are easier, more simple ways to do it without reinventing the wheel. Give teams the cap number plus 10% then do your daily limit including TDL additions. Most teams would be fine outside the Kane/Kucherov exceptions. You're complicating it for no reason. It doesnt have to add to any accumulation and would have no effect on the deadline outside of deals like this Weber one might be less likely to happen. Game 83 can just be cap # / 20 players. That way your LTIR can still be used during the season but you'd lose the loophole for the playoffs which is everyones biggest issue with the system. Nobody cares if Tampa or Vegas or anyone has a $100 payroll with an $80 cap if $20 is actually on LTIR. It's when suddenly that $100 mil payroll is legal for a playoff game. So a simple formula of cap number/roster size keeps the per game rosters at a fair number cap wise. You can even take a step further and force a team to submit a series roster under the cap and allow for injury replacements at or below the same salary as the injured player. There's many simply ways to do it and not touch the regular season at all.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 17, 2022 13:28:03 GMT -4
Surprised to come home to this news last night but i like it Hughes is cleaning up alot of bergevin errors already Weber definitely wasn't a Bergevin error.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 17, 2022 13:30:05 GMT -4
Because the cap is 1/82 per game times the cap number. The system is set up that you can accumulate cap room then add players at the TDL. If the playoffs was 1/82 per game, then every contender would be over the cap and there would be virtually no deadline deals. Would be very impractical. There are easier, more simple ways to do it without reinventing the wheel. Give teams the cap number plus 10% then do your daily limit including TDL additions. Most teams would be fine outside the Kane/Kucherov exceptions. You're complicating it for no reason. It doesnt have to add to any accumulation and would have no effect on the deadline outside of deals like this Weber one might be less likely to happen. Game 83 can just be cap # / 20 players. That way your LTIR can still be used during the season but you'd lose the loophole for the playoffs which is everyones biggest issue with the system. Nobody cares if Tampa or Vegas or anyone has a $100 payroll with an $80 cap if $20 is actually on LTIR. It's when suddenly that $100 mil payroll is legal for a playoff game. So a simple formula of cap number/roster size keeps the per game rosters at a fair number cap wise. You can even take a step further and force a team to submit a series roster under the cap and allow for injury replacements at or below the same salary as the injured player. There's many simply ways to do it and not touch the regular season at all. Correct, but with an 80M cap, you can have 75M for 3/4 of the season and 100M for 1/4 of the season with no LTIR, just with adding a couple guys at the TDL. You have to be able to dress those guys at playoff time. Those also respect the law and spirit of the cap.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 17, 2022 13:38:25 GMT -4
You're complicating it for no reason. It doesnt have to add to any accumulation and would have no effect on the deadline outside of deals like this Weber one might be less likely to happen. Game 83 can just be cap # / 20 players. That way your LTIR can still be used during the season but you'd lose the loophole for the playoffs which is everyones biggest issue with the system. Nobody cares if Tampa or Vegas or anyone has a $100 payroll with an $80 cap if $20 is actually on LTIR. It's when suddenly that $100 mil payroll is legal for a playoff game. So a simple formula of cap number/roster size keeps the per game rosters at a fair number cap wise. You can even take a step further and force a team to submit a series roster under the cap and allow for injury replacements at or below the same salary as the injured player. There's many simply ways to do it and not touch the regular season at all. Correct, but with an 80M cap, you can have 75M for 3/4 of the season and 100M for 1/4 of the season with no LTIR, just with adding a couple guys at the TDL. You have to be able to dress those guys at playoff time. Those also respect the law and spirit of the cap. Right but if you're accumulating during the season its because you're below the cap. During the playoffs all that should matter is your best roster at or under that cap. You shouldnt want to make a deadline deal if it puts you over the cap. But there shouldnt be a loophole there to expose either.
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Post by MikeC on Jun 17, 2022 13:46:22 GMT -4
Correct, but with an 80M cap, you can have 75M for 3/4 of the season and 100M for 1/4 of the season with no LTIR, just with adding a couple guys at the TDL. You have to be able to dress those guys at playoff time. Those also respect the law and spirit of the cap. Right but if you're accumulating during the season its because you're below the cap. During the playoffs all that should matter is your best roster at or under that cap. You shouldnt want to make a deadline deal if it puts you over the cap. But there shouldnt be a loophole there to expose either. But I should also be able to dress the lineup I used in Game 82 in Playoff game 1. In your scenario, no team that acquired a high priced player at the deadline would be able to.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 17, 2022 13:46:52 GMT -4
Correct, but with an 80M cap, you can have 75M for 3/4 of the season and 100M for 1/4 of the season with no LTIR, just with adding a couple guys at the TDL. You have to be able to dress those guys at playoff time. Those also respect the law and spirit of the cap. Right but if you're accumulating during the season its because you're below the cap. During the playoffs all that should matter is your best roster at or under that cap. You shouldnt want to make a deadline deal if it puts you over the cap. But there shouldnt be a loophole there to expose either. You're punishing somebody that managed their cap well and is not trying to circumvent. To me that's a non starter and would be with league GM's as well.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 17, 2022 13:54:26 GMT -4
Right but if you're accumulating during the season its because you're below the cap. During the playoffs all that should matter is your best roster at or under that cap. You shouldnt want to make a deadline deal if it puts you over the cap. But there shouldnt be a loophole there to expose either. But I should also be able to dress the lineup I used in Game 82 in Playoff game 1. In your scenario, no team that acquired a high priced player at the deadline would be able to. They would know who would fit under their cap for game 83 based on the math at the deadline. Some might choose getting there is worth not dressing the same roster once you do. But the loophole of dressing $10 million more during the most important time of year would be shut off completely. Thats what drives people to be upset about the existing setup. I don't think i've ever seen people complain about the accumulation of space due to being under the cap allowing teams to dress more in the last 1/3 or 1/4 of a season....certainly nothing like happens when teams hit the playoffs with a huge cap hit on LTIR and replacements equal to the salary also in the lineup.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 17, 2022 13:59:51 GMT -4
Right but if you're accumulating during the season its because you're below the cap. During the playoffs all that should matter is your best roster at or under that cap. You shouldnt want to make a deadline deal if it puts you over the cap. But there shouldnt be a loophole there to expose either. You're punishing somebody that managed their cap well and is not trying to circumvent. To me that's a non starter and would be with league GM's as well. So the opposite to that is punishing a team that had a long term injury and replaced the player with someone who cant play when the player comes back. This is why the league is content to just do nothing. They'd rather just continue the status quo and not care about someone getting healthy and playing again and pushing a roster over the seasons cap limit because its no money out of their pocket. But with the setup in place a solution is there to implement that is much fairer than playing $10 million over the cap in my opinion.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 17, 2022 14:08:32 GMT -4
You're punishing somebody that managed their cap well and is not trying to circumvent. To me that's a non starter and would be with league GM's as well. So the opposite to that is punishing a team that had a long term injury and replaced the player with someone who cant play when the player comes back. This is why the league is content to just do nothing. They'd rather just continue the status quo and not care about someone getting healthy and playing again and pushing a roster over the seasons cap limit because its no money out of their pocket. But with the setup in place a solution is there to implement that is much fairer than playing $10 million over the cap in my opinion. The league probably can't do anything as this stuff is part of the CBA, I think something happens next CBA. I think there is an easy way to do it without punishing teas that add at the TDL.
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Post by MikeC on Jun 17, 2022 14:14:29 GMT -4
But I should also be able to dress the lineup I used in Game 82 in Playoff game 1. In your scenario, no team that acquired a high priced player at the deadline would be able to. They would know who would fit under their cap for game 83 based on the math at the deadline. Some might choose getting there is worth not dressing the same roster once you do. But the loophole of dressing $10 million more during the most important time of year would be shut off completely. Thats what drives people to be upset about the existing setup. I don't think i've ever seen people complain about the accumulation of space due to being under the cap allowing teams to dress more in the last 1/3 or 1/4 of a season....certainly nothing like happens when teams hit the playoffs with a huge cap hit on LTIR and replacements equal to the salary also in the lineup. I agree, no one complains about accumulating cap space. In fact, people are happy when their team has managed their contracts well enough to be able to accumulate cap space. Your solution is cutting off your nose to spite your face. I also agree that something needs to be done regarding LTIR players returning for the playoffs, but I don't believe making the AAV of your playoff roster be under the current cap is it. One quick thing they could implement would be to not allow trading players on LTIR during the season. It wouldn't completely fix the problem, but it would help.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 17, 2022 14:27:17 GMT -4
They would know who would fit under their cap for game 83 based on the math at the deadline. Some might choose getting there is worth not dressing the same roster once you do. But the loophole of dressing $10 million more during the most important time of year would be shut off completely. Thats what drives people to be upset about the existing setup. I don't think i've ever seen people complain about the accumulation of space due to being under the cap allowing teams to dress more in the last 1/3 or 1/4 of a season....certainly nothing like happens when teams hit the playoffs with a huge cap hit on LTIR and replacements equal to the salary also in the lineup. I agree, no one complains about accumulating cap space. In fact, people are happy when their team has managed their contracts well enough to be able to accumulate cap space. Your solution is cutting off your nose to spite your face. I also agree that something needs to be done regarding LTIR players returning for the playoffs, but I don't believe making the AAV of your playoff roster be under the current cap is it. One quick thing they could implement would be to not allow trading players on LTIR during the season. It wouldn't completely fix the problem, but it would help. Should be a list they go on once entered on LTIR that exempts them from trade until they play again. That way a Weber just ends up on Montreals list until his deal ends. But I also think that if the deal is fully insured and the NHL team isn't taking a hit from the deal they shouldnt be penalized for it being on their books and they should just get the amount free as cap space to use. They need a RLTIR...really long term injured reserve...for these guys never coming back.
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