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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 10, 2022 10:03:49 GMT -4
Part of it with goalies and the 1A & 1B thing never working is similar to how it doesn't work with NFL QBs either. You need a clear #1 but it's great if you can get them between 52-60 regular season starts so they don't burn out. You need a clear #2 that can dutifully play those other 25 games plus cover injury if necessary. But that #2 can't be paid the amount of a 1B. He needs to be paid like a #2. Get the player who stays healthy, can play 55 games and then be fresh for every start in playoffs. Avalanche took a big chance with Grubauer for a couple years. He wasn't able to be in playoffs what he was in season. When they moved on from Gruby who they chose not to meet his demands they went the route of someone in Kuemper who could handle workload. Now they have Georgiev - biggest question is still going to be in net for them. Georgiev play 55 games? It's all new to him. Jury is out. The team that gets Kuemper isn't signing him for 45 starts and share the crease. He needs to be a clear #1. Most goalies these days need a 60-40 split with all the movement goalies have to do and travel etc. The problem is when you pay a goalie 9-10M a year you expect 75-80% starts...
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 10, 2022 10:05:37 GMT -4
8 years at 8.5 AAV ......68 Million ....Gaudreau won't take less will he ? 8.5M in Nashville is 9.5M in Calgary. Goudreau is looking at 9.5-10M x 8 years.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 10, 2022 10:06:54 GMT -4
Cam Talbot may want out of Minny, would he be an option? He played well last year but he's also 35 now. Talbot is a 1B or 2A type guy like Allen. He started off great and worse down in the 2nd half. 30-40 start guy max.
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Jul 10, 2022 14:03:03 GMT -4
Talbot isn't a #2 but Allen is a #2.
Talbot averaged close to 55-60 games (one 67 games) in his Edmonton stint. That was spured by outplaying backup status in NY when he filled in for Lundqvist the year before.
Last year Talbot had 49 games most before the Fleury acquisition. Fleury took his job.
He can only be a #1 with most games falling to him. That's what he has become.
Allen should be the #2 wherever he suits up. He is great as a #2 but if he need to play too many games close together he looks out of place.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 11, 2022 8:32:38 GMT -4
Quite surprising that Dylan Strome and Kubalik will not get qualifying offers from Chicago thus becoming UFA's. Chicago is having quite a fire sale...
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 11, 2022 9:12:16 GMT -4
Quite surprising that Dylan Strome and Kubalik will not get qualifying offers from Chicago thus becoming UFA's. Chicago is having quite a fire sale... It will go down as one of the most interesting tanks of the cap era. 12 months ago they were trading picks for Seth Jones and planning one last run while that young group developed. But this will turn out very interesting if they don't manage to get a top 2 pick out of it next year. Letting Strome walk for nothing is crazy to me. Would love to see him sign in Toronto on a good deal.
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Post by jimmy on Jul 11, 2022 9:31:41 GMT -4
Quite surprising that Dylan Strome and Kubalik will not get qualifying offers from Chicago thus becoming UFA's. Chicago is having quite a fire sale... It will go down as one of the most interesting tanks of the cap era. 12 months ago they were trading picks for Seth Jones and planning one last run while that young group developed. But this will turn out very interesting if they don't manage to get a top 2 pick out of it next year. Letting Strome walk for nothing is crazy to me. Would love to see him sign in Toronto on a good deal. Walking away from Strome is a head-scratcher ... especially since they are willing to set the money they could have used to pay him on fire (to pay Mrazek) to hit the cap floor. I get that his development has been less than linear, but he finished last year with 30 points in 36 games on a bad team ... you would have to think that if they qualified him on a one year deal (or even signed him to a 2 or 3 year bridge deal) and he played even close to how he did in the second half, he would be a tradable asset ... My thoughts on Chicago's rebuild is the same as Arizona ... if you aren't interested in keeping guys in their early to mid-20's who are productive on reasonable contracts, what exact are you building towards? 2030? Guys like Hagel, Debrincat, Strome are the kinds of players you should be looking to keep around and supplement with youth - move out the older guys if need be, fine ... but this makes no sense unless your "plan" is to punt on the rest of the decade ...
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 11, 2022 9:36:55 GMT -4
Quite surprising that Dylan Strome and Kubalik will not get qualifying offers from Chicago thus becoming UFA's. Chicago is having quite a fire sale... It will go down as one of the most interesting tanks of the cap era. 12 months ago they were trading picks for Seth Jones and planning one last run while that young group developed. But this will turn out very interesting if they don't manage to get a top 2 pick out of it next year. Letting Strome walk for nothing is crazy to me. Would love to see him sign in Toronto on a good deal. It seemed like they were trying to get one more run out of Kane/Toews but it backfired horribly. Best case right now is for Kane and Toews to agree to waive their NTC so they can be traded.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 11, 2022 9:43:18 GMT -4
It will go down as one of the most interesting tanks of the cap era. 12 months ago they were trading picks for Seth Jones and planning one last run while that young group developed. But this will turn out very interesting if they don't manage to get a top 2 pick out of it next year. Letting Strome walk for nothing is crazy to me. Would love to see him sign in Toronto on a good deal. Walking away from Strome is a head-scratcher ... especially since they are willing to set the money they could have used to pay him on fire (to pay Mrazek) to hit the cap floor. I get that his development has been less than linear, but he finished last year with 30 points in 36 games on a bad team ... you would have to think that if they qualified him on a one year deal (or even signed him to a 2 or 3 year bridge deal) and he played even close to how he did in the second half, he would be a tradable asset ... My thoughts on Chicago's rebuild is the same as Arizona ... if you aren't interested in keeping guys in their early to mid-20's who are productive on reasonable contracts, what exact are you building towards? 2030? Guys like Hagel, Debrincat, Strome are the kinds of players you should be looking to keep around and supplement with youth - move out the older guys if need be, fine ... but this makes no sense unless your "plan" is to punt on the rest of the decade ... The only thing I don't agree with is Hagel, I think he is a guy you sell high on if you can get a crazy return like that. I think he played over his head the first half, nothing in his history suggests a 50-55 point guy year in and year out, he was barely a PPGM guy in junior at 18 and 19. I see him as a good 3rd liner 35-40 points. If you can get a couple 1st rounders plus a couple of young, controllable assets in Raddysh and Katchouk...really hard to pass up.
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Post by jordo999 on Jul 11, 2022 10:00:35 GMT -4
talks have intensified between Toronto and Ottawa regarding Matt Murray....personally he's not the guy I'd be going for
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 11, 2022 11:08:33 GMT -4
talks have intensified between Toronto and Ottawa regarding Matt Murray....personally he's not the guy I'd be going for That's a pretty sketchy option. He has not looked good since leaving Pittsburgh.
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Jul 11, 2022 11:40:51 GMT -4
It will go down as one of the most interesting tanks of the cap era. 12 months ago they were trading picks for Seth Jones and planning one last run while that young group developed. But this will turn out very interesting if they don't manage to get a top 2 pick out of it next year. Letting Strome walk for nothing is crazy to me. Would love to see him sign in Toronto on a good deal. Walking away from Strome is a head-scratcher ... especially since they are willing to set the money they could have used to pay him on fire (to pay Mrazek) to hit the cap floor. I get that his development has been less than linear, but he finished last year with 30 points in 36 games on a bad team ... you would have to think that if they qualified him on a one year deal (or even signed him to a 2 or 3 year bridge deal) and he played even close to how he did in the second half, he would be a tradable asset ... My thoughts on Chicago's rebuild is the same as Arizona ... if you aren't interested in keeping guys in their early to mid-20's who are productive on reasonable contracts, what exact are you building towards? 2030? Guys like Hagel, Debrincat, Strome are the kinds of players you should be looking to keep around and supplement with youth - move out the older guys if need be, fine ... but this makes no sense unless your "plan" is to punt on the rest of the decade ... Only one reason to go full tank right now rather than a mediocre lukewarm team...same as what haopens in junior hockey. In Chicago's case its not a team hurt by performance as the market is pretty well developed there and they have won recently. ..... This is the reason...spelling it out here: CoNnOr BeDaRd #1 pick
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Post by bois on Jul 11, 2022 12:20:27 GMT -4
Chicago tried to trade Strome all last season
nobody was interested
he puts up points when he gets to play with Kane.... when he doesn't he does nothing
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Jul 11, 2022 12:34:54 GMT -4
Kane won't be staying there now that they are tearing down. He is surely going to be on the move.
So yeah wonder what Chicago will really be like now with the elite player leaving. And the others already gone.
Chicago will eat some of his contract to move him for sure.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 11, 2022 13:07:06 GMT -4
Kane won't be staying there now that they are tearing down. He is surely going to be on the move. So yeah wonder what Chicago will really be like now with the elite player leaving. And the others already gone. Chicago will eat some of his contract to move him for sure. I think after the Debrincat, Strome, Kubalik moves will encourage Kane and Toews to agree to waive NTC. Toews won't be easy to move, even at 50% retained.
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