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Post by Score on Jul 8, 2022 13:30:30 GMT -4
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 8, 2022 13:34:32 GMT -4
If they retain half he's a pricey backup with good experience. But wouldnt be a guy I put my seasons hopes on as a #1.
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Jul 8, 2022 13:39:56 GMT -4
If they retain half he's a pricey backup with good experience. But wouldnt be a guy I put my seasons hopes on as a #1. Interesting G decisions being made. With Murray I worry about injuries with any workload. Might be on Washington's radar but I think they are in on Kuemper if he hits open market.
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Post by jimmy on Jul 8, 2022 19:10:23 GMT -4
If they retain half he's a pricey backup with good experience. But wouldnt be a guy I put my seasons hopes on as a #1. Agree with both points … Ok as backup, but would be nuts to pin your season on him with his injury history and inconsistent play.
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Post by jordo999 on Jul 9, 2022 11:12:30 GMT -4
so what do the leafs do now that dominos are falling in terms of goaltenders?
I think at this point they just try to re-up Campbell. Kuemper, Holtby, Jones, Halak, and Greiss seem to be the "higher end" guys available. but 4 of the those guys mentioned had backup numbers...
the only thing is with Husso's signing I can't see Campbell taking less. I also see Kuemper asking the most out of the bunch for obvious reasons. I'm just not convinced Toronto would pay him 6M per year.
only other option is trading for a guy like Gibson if that's still in the realm of possibilities but at this point I think they just go with Campbell.
Edmonton and Washington also still need that number 1 guy so there will be competition as well.
Options are slim plus Toronto still needs to add depth.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 9, 2022 11:37:42 GMT -4
so what do the leafs do now that dominos are falling in terms of goaltenders? I think at this point they just try to re-up Campbell. Kuemper, Holtby, Jones, Halak, and Greiss seem to be the "higher end" guys available. but 4 of the those guys mentioned had backup numbers... the only thing is with Husso's signing I can't see Campbell taking less. I also see Kuemper asking the most out of the bunch for obvious reasons. I'm just not convinced Toronto would pay him 6M per year. only other option is trading for a guy like Gibson if that's still in the realm of possibilities but at this point I think they just go with Campbell. Edmonton and Washington also still need that number 1 guy so there will be competition as well. Options are slim plus Toronto still needs to add depth. The nuclear option would be to sign 2 vets to cheap short term deals...say Holtby and Halak for each 1yr/1.75 so you spend $3.5 but you keep ~4 mil free and let is accumulate. As the season goes on, other situations change, guys want out, contracts become an issue, maybe a contender free falls in the standings...and you're there with a prime job and assets and cap space to step in. People forget that even with a 3.34GAA and .888 save % that Mrzaek was still 12-6. .666 winning % is still a 100 point playoff team so by taking the cheap route you're not exactly throwing your season away. Overpaying a 1B because there's no 1A's in July doesnt make a ton of sense.
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Post by hal on Jul 9, 2022 11:44:36 GMT -4
so what do the leafs do now that dominos are falling in terms of goaltenders? I think at this point they just try to re-up Campbell. Kuemper, Holtby, Jones, Halak, and Greiss seem to be the "higher end" guys available. but 4 of the those guys mentioned had backup numbers... the only thing is with Husso's signing I can't see Campbell taking less. I also see Kuemper asking the most out of the bunch for obvious reasons. I'm just not convinced Toronto would pay him 6M per year. only other option is trading for a guy like Gibson if that's still in the realm of possibilities but at this point I think they just go with Campbell. Edmonton and Washington also still need that number 1 guy so there will be competition as well. Options are slim plus Toronto still needs to add depth. Campbell is better than any of those other guys .
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 9, 2022 11:50:19 GMT -4
so what do the leafs do now that dominos are falling in terms of goaltenders? I think at this point they just try to re-up Campbell. Kuemper, Holtby, Jones, Halak, and Greiss seem to be the "higher end" guys available. but 4 of the those guys mentioned had backup numbers... the only thing is with Husso's signing I can't see Campbell taking less. I also see Kuemper asking the most out of the bunch for obvious reasons. I'm just not convinced Toronto would pay him 6M per year. only other option is trading for a guy like Gibson if that's still in the realm of possibilities but at this point I think they just go with Campbell. Edmonton and Washington also still need that number 1 guy so there will be competition as well. Options are slim plus Toronto still needs to add depth. Campbell is better than any of those other guys . Issue is injury factor and the fact he only has 1 season where he's started more than 31 games in a season so how much money and term do you give him? I dont think i'd give any of the available guys $6 million or more than 4 years. For Campbell i'd be at like $5 for 3 years and not sure i'd budge much on either number. Campbell might be better but in a playoff situation are any of them that much better then the others? I dont think any of them are huge difference makers.
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Post by Score on Jul 9, 2022 11:52:02 GMT -4
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Jul 9, 2022 13:51:38 GMT -4
Part of it with goalies and the 1A & 1B thing never working is similar to how it doesn't work with NFL QBs either.
You need a clear #1 but it's great if you can get them between 52-60 regular season starts so they don't burn out.
You need a clear #2 that can dutifully play those other 25 games plus cover injury if necessary. But that #2 can't be paid the amount of a 1B. He needs to be paid like a #2.
Get the player who stays healthy, can play 55 games and then be fresh for every start in playoffs.
Avalanche took a big chance with Grubauer for a couple years. He wasn't able to be in playoffs what he was in season. When they moved on from Gruby who they chose not to meet his demands they went the route of someone in Kuemper who could handle workload.
Now they have Georgiev - biggest question is still going to be in net for them. Georgiev play 55 games? It's all new to him. Jury is out.
The team that gets Kuemper isn't signing him for 45 starts and share the crease. He needs to be a clear #1.
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Post by jordo999 on Jul 9, 2022 14:58:05 GMT -4
so what do the leafs do now that dominos are falling in terms of goaltenders? I think at this point they just try to re-up Campbell. Kuemper, Holtby, Jones, Halak, and Greiss seem to be the "higher end" guys available. but 4 of the those guys mentioned had backup numbers... the only thing is with Husso's signing I can't see Campbell taking less. I also see Kuemper asking the most out of the bunch for obvious reasons. I'm just not convinced Toronto would pay him 6M per year. only other option is trading for a guy like Gibson if that's still in the realm of possibilities but at this point I think they just go with Campbell. Edmonton and Washington also still need that number 1 guy so there will be competition as well. Options are slim plus Toronto still needs to add depth. The nuclear option would be to sign 2 vets to cheap short term deals...say Holtby and Halak for each 1yr/1.75 so you spend $3.5 but you keep ~4 mil free and let is accumulate. As the season goes on, other situations change, guys want out, contracts become an issue, maybe a contender free falls in the standings...and you're there with a prime job and assets and cap space to step in. People forget that even with a 3.34GAA and .888 save % that Mrzaek was still 12-6. .666 winning % is still a 100 point playoff team so by taking the cheap route you're not exactly throwing your season away. Overpaying a 1B because there's no 1A's in July doesnt make a ton of sense. that's definitely an option but not sure if something like that comes to fruition. I still think they let Kallgren take the backup slot. But I agree on overpaying. They overpaid on Mrazek and we can't keep seeing similar situations happening. I'd likely give Campbell (if they decide to stick with that route) a 1-2 year deal but nothing above 5m like you mentioned. I haven't looked into the goalie market next year yet either but 1-2 for Campbell might be the best thing to do right now. it's not like Campbell was bad for us either but we need to add the depth to compliment the top of the forward group.
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Post by jordo999 on Jul 9, 2022 14:59:49 GMT -4
so what do the leafs do now that dominos are falling in terms of goaltenders? I think at this point they just try to re-up Campbell. Kuemper, Holtby, Jones, Halak, and Greiss seem to be the "higher end" guys available. but 4 of the those guys mentioned had backup numbers... the only thing is with Husso's signing I can't see Campbell taking less. I also see Kuemper asking the most out of the bunch for obvious reasons. I'm just not convinced Toronto would pay him 6M per year. only other option is trading for a guy like Gibson if that's still in the realm of possibilities but at this point I think they just go with Campbell. Edmonton and Washington also still need that number 1 guy so there will be competition as well. Options are slim plus Toronto still needs to add depth. Campbell is better than any of those other guys . I agree for sure minus Kuemper as he is likely on the same level or a bit better.
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Post by jordo999 on Jul 9, 2022 15:00:16 GMT -4
Cam Talbot may want out of Minny, would he be an option? He played well last year but he's also 35 now.
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Post by hal on Jul 9, 2022 18:02:56 GMT -4
8 years at 8.5 AAV ......68 Million ....Gaudreau won't take less will he ?
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Post by jordo999 on Jul 9, 2022 21:24:03 GMT -4
Braden Holtby likely to retire with career-ending injury. Another potential goalie off the market.
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