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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 8, 2022 8:46:20 GMT -4
holy shit Debrincat to the Sens. Wish they would've waited till tonight on TV to do this trade hahaha 7th, 39th, and a 3rd in 2024.... if this is all that's an absolute FLEECE It's a fleece if Ottawa can re-sign him long term. Hopefully they can. Otherwise, at best, they only have him for 1 more year at a $9M cap hit and then he's a UFA. Short term, Ottawa wins big. if they can get his signed at a reasonable number, it's a big win, if he walks in 2 years, then it's an expensive 2 year rental. 7th overall is usually a safe bet for a top 6F/top 4D and a potential top line F/D.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 8, 2022 8:48:47 GMT -4
Of course they are. But its also silly to view 100% of free agents through that lense when we can sit here and name many players who didnt look to maximize their value in order to give their teams flexibility. Are we really going to sit here in a league where not 1 player gets paid max money and say a guy like Giroux shouldnt take say half the money for 2 years to have more fun and try to win? Can we view and discuss the human/professional element at all or just money? Until a McDavid or a Matthews demand they get their proper worth and the maximum contract an NHL team can give them as elite MVP's of the league can we really say the union just wants guys making as much as they can? Seems to me like NHL players actually give up money to stay where they are in most cases. Maybe Giroux has no interest in winning. I can actually respect that argument more than "his agent and PA want him to take the most from a crappy organization" as logic to not try and chase a ring while still producing good numbers. Obviously his agent would want him to max out his contract, but I don't think the PA will care that a 34 year old took a discount to sign with a contender. They are more concerned with the 23-27 year olds coming off their ELC or bridge deal getting the biggest contract possible. There is a big difference between a discount...guy who could get 4-6 years at 6-7M taking 3 years at 5.5-6M and taking 1 year at 3.5M. A lot of UFA's take discounts, leaving 4-6M on the table to sign with their current team or a contender versus a team that may miss the playoffs.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 8, 2022 8:58:54 GMT -4
Obviously his agent would want him to max out his contract, but I don't think the PA will care that a 34 year old took a discount to sign with a contender. They are more concerned with the 23-27 year olds coming off their ELC or bridge deal getting the biggest contract possible. There is a big difference between a discount...guy who could get 4-6 years at 6-7M taking 3 years at 5.5-6M and taking 1 year at 3.5M. A lot of UFA's take discounts, leaving 4-6M on the table to sign with their current team or a contender versus a team that may miss the playoffs. The cap starting to go up means the guy signing for 4/24 today can sign for 1/3.5 today and 3/24 in a years time and actually make more money by betting on himself and chasing a ring with the contenders close to winning. If every player only views their contract in the lense of todays market they're going to risk leaving money on the table as the cap starts to steadily rise again. For many vets in that 28-34 age range taking the odd 1 year deal in certain markets sets them up better to get that big retirement contract vs just taking whats out there today. I'll stand by my belief that Giroux signing for 1 year in Edmonton or Colorado nets him more money between now and the end of his career vs signing for term in a weaker market where more will be expected of him.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 8, 2022 9:27:42 GMT -4
Took less than 48 hours for this to look pretty dumb. Reality is Dubas moves Mrazek and says this: Dubas says at this point he’s comfortable with Kallgren and Woll battling it out for No. 2. Focus on finding best goalie they can get. Rolling with Mrazek as either option was never the plan.
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Post by bois on Jul 8, 2022 9:58:03 GMT -4
It looked dumb the second it was posted
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 8, 2022 10:35:29 GMT -4
Took less than 48 hours for this to look pretty dumb. Reality is Dubas moves Mrazek and says this: Dubas says at this point he’s comfortable with Kallgren and Woll battling it out for No. 2. Focus on finding best goalie they can get. Rolling with Mrazek as either option was never the plan. Everything Dubas does on goaltending seems to end up looking dumb. Helps them win a lot of regular season games but not playoff ones.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 8, 2022 10:37:55 GMT -4
Took less than 48 hours for this to look pretty dumb. Reality is Dubas moves Mrazek and says this: Dubas says at this point he’s comfortable with Kallgren and Woll battling it out for No. 2. Focus on finding best goalie they can get. Rolling with Mrazek as either option was never the plan. Everything Dubas does on goaltending seems to end up looking dumb. Helps them win a lot of regular season games but not playoff ones. Yes that Jack Campbell trade was brutal. Signing Kallgren out of Europe has been a disaster. Everything he touches turns to shit. Thanks for coming out, Billy.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 8, 2022 10:40:31 GMT -4
Listening to Billy's takes on any rival of his own teams is like taking Russia's word on how great of a country Ukraine is.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 8, 2022 10:43:39 GMT -4
Everything Dubas does on goaltending seems to end up looking dumb. Helps them win a lot of regular season games but not playoff ones. Yes that Jack Campbell trade was brutal. Signing Kallgren out of Europe has been a disaster. Everything he touches turns to shit. Thanks for coming out, Billy. It's impossible to discuss Toronto with you because you take it personal when somebody says the team fucks up. Just because player X gets good value for his contract/trade value doesn't make that player a valid solution for a team trying to win the cup. If you go cheap on goaltending, is comes back to bite you in the ass eventually. Colorado figured it out and got Kuemper and won a cup.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 8, 2022 11:06:30 GMT -4
Yes that Jack Campbell trade was brutal. Signing Kallgren out of Europe has been a disaster. Everything he touches turns to shit. Thanks for coming out, Billy. It's impossible to discuss Toronto with you because you take it personal when somebody says the team fucks up. Just because player X gets good value for his contract/trade value doesn't make that player a valid solution for a team trying to win the cup. If you go cheap on goaltending, is comes back to bite you in the ass eventually. Colorado figured it out and got Kuemper and won a cup. They didn't win because of Kuemper, though. Everyone knows that. He was average playing behind an amazing team. You have nowhere to go on the Campbell trade being a good one so you try turning it around. Its what you do....you can't ever find even 1 silver lining or decent thing to say about rival teams. You purposely turn it all into trash...and as long as people go along with that angle you're fine. You've done it in Leafs and Jays threads for years...to the point that people post you'll be back after a few losses and sure enough you rarely fail to live up to that. If your 1000 "negative comments" were meant with even 5 "positive comments" it wouldn't be so bad. But you're so over the top ridiculous with your hate for certain teams that you doing isn't anyone taking it personal...its just calling you on the act you put on here. I say act because a grown adult being so unable to show any sort of bias like you is just childish. If people like myself acted the same way in the Montreal thread it would be unreadable drivel every time anything happened. There could have been 10 pages last night of people mocking them for picking the kid they did just to get a reaction out of those very happy with the selection but the rest of us just can't be bothered only discussing the terrible of our rivals like you 100% absolutely thrive on and would barely exist here if not for you living for that type of talk. Its just tired and like the Jays thread last off-season proved you really only do post about certain teams to shit on them. Because there's less then a handful of our 10,000+ posts saying otherwise.
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Post by Score on Jul 8, 2022 11:10:04 GMT -4
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Post by Penguins23® on Jul 8, 2022 12:26:44 GMT -4
Why would he have to let himself know that? Wouldn't he already know?
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 8, 2022 12:47:14 GMT -4
End of a great career. Gave it a good effort in Edmonton but the steps he lost were tough to overcome on a team with such high aspirations. Probably works out for the better for Edmonton that he's retiring. He was only going to make $1.5 mil and now they clear $5.5mil of cap space.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 8, 2022 12:53:54 GMT -4
So this is music to the ears of Chicago lol even less need to dress a competent team next season to hit that cap floor.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 8, 2022 13:26:37 GMT -4
So this is music to the ears of Chicago lol even less need to dress a competent team next season to hit that cap floor. I would not be surprised if Kane and/or Toews agree to waive their NTC...I'm sure they would rather play on playoff teams.
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