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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 23, 2022 8:38:03 GMT -4
Stralman would be a good fit.
Sucks that Edmundson is out, they really need his leadership and stability back there.
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Post by jimmy on Sept 23, 2022 8:59:56 GMT -4
Stralman would be a good fit. Sucks that Edmundson is out, they really need his leadership and stability back there. Is Stralman really a good fit? Does he have enough left to be anything but a liability? Need someone who can insulate the kids - not throw gas on the fire.
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Post by Score on Sept 23, 2022 9:03:43 GMT -4
I would definitely look to move:
Drouin Armia Hoffman Dvorak
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 23, 2022 9:19:30 GMT -4
Stralman would be a good fit. Sucks that Edmundson is out, they really need his leadership and stability back there. Is Stralman really a good fit? Does he have enough left to be anything but a liability? Need someone who can insulate the kids - not throw gas on the fire. He played 20+ min per game last year.
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Post by hal on Sept 23, 2022 11:52:42 GMT -4
I would definitely look to move: Drouin Armia Hoffman Dvorak Good Luck with the First two .........
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 23, 2022 13:13:16 GMT -4
I would definitely look to move: Drouin Armia Hoffman Dvorak Good Luck with the First two ......... Drouin the best thing to do is keep him until the TDL and move him at that time as a rental. Armia, it all depends on what kind of season he has, guys like him with size and pretty good skill usually have good value at the TDL, but he needs a better season.
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Post by Citris on Sept 23, 2022 14:45:10 GMT -4
The advantage Armia has is that he has a recent track record of playoff success. But... that contract is not going to be easy to move. He's got term and his biggest actual money year is next season where he'll make 4.8m.
Eating 1m per season might make him tradable, Armia at 2.4 is very reasonable for the type of player he is, but 3.4 when most contenders are so hard against the cap, that's a hard pill to swallow.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 23, 2022 15:13:38 GMT -4
The advantage Armia has is that he has a recent track record of playoff success. But... that contract is not going to be easy to move. He's got term and his biggest actual money year is next season where he'll make 4.8m. Eating 1m per season might make him tradable, Armia at 2.4 is very reasonable for the type of player he is, but 3.4 when most contenders are so hard against the cap, that's a hard pill to swallow. They have a bunch of guys coming off the books after this year...Byron Drouin Dadonov Monahan...they can afford to be more patient with a guy like Armia. Once the cap goes up, his AAV will be much easier to take...or as you said they could eat +-1M for a couple years to get a good return.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 27, 2022 10:20:37 GMT -4
Slafkovsky hasn't really stood out so far in camp, hopefully they let him play AHL or Liga in Finland for at least a year and not repeat the JKK mistake of rushing a guy at 18 because he is a top pick.
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Post by Score on Sept 27, 2022 19:45:03 GMT -4
Slafkovsky hasn't really stood out so far in camp, hopefully they let him play AHL or Liga in Finland for at least a year and not repeat the JKK mistake of rushing a guy at 18 because he is a top pick. So, you've been in Quebec watching the camp? Stop hating on the kid. You never liked the pick to begin with.....give the kid a damn chance
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Post by scotiahockey on Sept 27, 2022 20:59:01 GMT -4
Slafkovsky hasn't really stood out so far in camp, hopefully they let him play AHL or Liga in Finland for at least a year and not repeat the JKK mistake of rushing a guy at 18 because he is a top pick. So, you've been in Quebec watching the camp? Stop hating on the kid. You never liked the pick to begin with.....give the kid a damn chance I have no skin in the game but I’d send the kid either back to Finland or have him play in the AHL. I really hope for the kids sake and the franchises sake, they don’t play him in the NHL. I worry that the pressure and the market could be too much for him if he struggles. Physically the kid is ready but I think he needs to hone his craft at a level other then the NHL. Let him really develop that offensive skill, learn to use that big frame and work on his skating.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 28, 2022 7:36:27 GMT -4
Slafkovsky hasn't really stood out so far in camp, hopefully they let him play AHL or Liga in Finland for at least a year and not repeat the JKK mistake of rushing a guy at 18 because he is a top pick. So, you've been in Quebec watching the camp? Stop hating on the kid. You never liked the pick to begin with.....give the kid a damn chance I have watched the rookie tournament, red vs white game and the game vs NJ. I don't hate the kid. I hate rushing 18 year olds into the NHL then trading them 3-4 years later for pennies on the dollar, let the kid develop before bringing him up.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 28, 2022 7:39:48 GMT -4
So, you've been in Quebec watching the camp? Stop hating on the kid. You never liked the pick to begin with.....give the kid a damn chance I have no skin in the game but I’d send the kid either back to Finland or have him play in the AHL. I really hope for the kids sake and the franchises sake, they don’t play him in the NHL. I worry that the pressure and the market could be too much for him if he struggles. Physically the kid is ready but I think he needs to hone his craft at a level other then the NHL. Let him really develop that offensive skill, learn to use that big frame and work on his skating. It's not just about struggles. They bring a young guy up, he as a few good games, fanbase goes batty that he has arrived and should be 1st line/2nd line/top PP and the minute he struggles again we hear that it's the coaches fault and the kid is great...kids hear/read that and start believing it. Part of player development is being more consistent game in and game out as well as emotional maturity. Wanderer @harditya94 · 14h You know who looked ready at the training camp at the age of 18? Galchenyuk. AND Kotkaniemi. And both of them had a horrendous sophomore season. So, relax. Let Slafkovsky play in the AHL for a year or two, at least. This team is not contending anytime soon.
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Post by jimmy on Sept 28, 2022 8:06:46 GMT -4
I agree ... the Habs are going nowhere this season (and don't really want to go anywhere - come on Bedard!), and also have a logjam of bodies at forward that are under contract. I think the best move is send Slafkovsky to Laval, and get what you can out of the vets and see how many of them you can convert to futures at the trade deadline. And whatever you do, no yo-yoing the kid up and down based on a few good or bad games ... make it clear that he is going to the AHL for the first half, then let him play world juniors (in Moncton ... if at that point he has established himself as a dominant AHLer, bring him up for the second half, otherwise, back to Laval. Second opportunity for call-up is after the trade deadline, again, only if he has proven himself a dominant AHLer at that point. It needs to be all about his development - if you need call-ups due to injuries or underperformance (I know, hard to fathom from the Drouin/Hoffman/Armia/Byron and co group), that is what you use the likes of Pezzetta and Harvey-Pinard for - you let Slafkovsky develop on him timeline, and you don't screw around with it based on short term NHL roster needs.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 28, 2022 8:21:10 GMT -4
I agree ... the Habs are going nowhere this season (and don't really want to go anywhere - come on Bedard!), and also have a logjam of bodies at forward that are under contract. I think the best move is send Slafkovsky to Laval, and get what you can out of the vets and see how many of them you can convert to futures at the trade deadline. And whatever you do, no yo-yoing the kid up and down based on a few good or bad games ... make it clear that he is going to the AHL for the first half, then let him play world juniors (in Moncton ... if at that point he has established himself as a dominant AHLer, bring him up for the second half, otherwise, back to Laval. Second opportunity for call-up is after the trade deadline, again, only if he has proven himself a dominant AHLer at that point. It needs to be all about his development - if you need call-ups due to injuries or underperformance (I know, hard to fathom from the Drouin/Hoffman/Armia/Byron and co group), that is what you use the likes of Pezzetta and Harvey-Pinard for - you let Slafkovsky develop on him timeline, and you don't screw around with it based on short term NHL roster needs. Agree. This has been an issue with Primeau, they have cut into his AHL minutes the last 2 years with Price/Allen/Monty injuries for him to sit on the bench for 3 weeks with 2-3 starts. Management keeps wanting to give fans the shiny new toy but it impacts players development.
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