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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 6, 2023 10:19:16 GMT -4
Manoah ......wow ....time for something drastic . One of the Sportsnet Announcers Caleb Joseph said the problem is between the ears . The Kid is a mess . I personally would do the two week mystery DL thing , then go from there . His velocity is down a bit and he has lost command of his slider. what part of that is due to poor conditioning? hard to say.
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Post by bois on Jun 6, 2023 11:30:32 GMT -4
As i said before looks good on the cocky prick
keep trottin him out there Schneider
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Post by Score on Jun 6, 2023 11:46:12 GMT -4
Manoah ......wow ....time for something drastic . One of the Sportsnet Announcers Caleb Joseph said the problem is between the ears . The Kid is a mess . I personally would do the two week mystery DL thing , then go from there . I think the new pitch clock has an affect on him as well. He likes to take his time and I'm sure he feels rushed. Time to start tossing the ball to 1st when a runner is on base to give him some extra time
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Post by jimmy on Jun 6, 2023 11:47:31 GMT -4
Manoah ......wow ....time for something drastic . One of the Sportsnet Announcers Caleb Joseph said the problem is between the ears . The Kid is a mess . I personally would do the two week mystery DL thing , then go from there . His velocity is down a bit and he has lost command of his slider. what part of that is due to poor conditioning? hard to say. Seems like a chain reaction kind of thing ... he was known as one of the slower working pitchers, so the pitch clock is having more impact on him than others in terms of rhythm. Throw in poor conditioning, and it likely impacts him even more. Last year, he was better than he should have been in terms of pure stuff as a result of his mental game - this year he is doing worse as his mental edge has disappeared and become a curse. IMO, they need to get him out of the rotation for a while, either an IL stint, or assignment to the minors (or perhaps both) ... but they are trying to buy time as they literally have no one at AAA (or AA) that can step in - which is on Atkins IMO. Bullpen days are not an option beyond a couple of times through the rotation. Perhaps use Pearson as an opener and gradually stretch him out, but not sure if they want to mess with him now that he is finally settling into a productive role as a setup man.
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Post by bois on Jun 6, 2023 12:13:48 GMT -4
what did he do in the off season? during spring training? did the dumbass not know the rule changes coming into effect
that's an excuse for a cocky prick getting his karma IMO
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Post by jimmy on Jun 6, 2023 12:26:23 GMT -4
what did he do in the off season? during spring training? did the dumbass not know the rule changes coming into effect that's an excuse for a cocky prick getting his karma IMO While I don't hate him to the extent you do, I don't disagree that he let his success go to his head ... he has been handed a HUGE slice of humble pie this season - time will tell if he can get it back together and emerge stronger, or if he implodes never to be the pitcher he was.
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Post by bois on Jun 6, 2023 12:37:54 GMT -4
what did he do in the off season? during spring training? did the dumbass not know the rule changes coming into effect that's an excuse for a cocky prick getting his karma IMO While I don't hate him to the extent you do, I don't disagree that he let his success go to his head ... he has been handed a HUGE slice of humble pie this season - time will tell if he can get it back together and emerge stronger, or if he implodes never to be the pitcher he was. don't know him personally so don't hate him hated how he acted for much of his career on the mound to me stardom hit too early and went very much to his head
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 6, 2023 12:50:03 GMT -4
While I don't hate him to the extent you do, I don't disagree that he let his success go to his head ... he has been handed a HUGE slice of humble pie this season - time will tell if he can get it back together and emerge stronger, or if he implodes never to be the pitcher he was. don't know him personally so don't hate him hated how he acted for much of his career on the mound to me stardom hit too early and went very much to his head as I said last year, the taunting guys after a strikeout in a 7-1(or similar score) game was way over the top. I have no issue with ball players showing emotion, but not in such a cheap and meaningless way.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Jun 6, 2023 12:52:17 GMT -4
While I don't hate him to the extent you do, I don't disagree that he let his success go to his head ... he has been handed a HUGE slice of humble pie this season - time will tell if he can get it back together and emerge stronger, or if he implodes never to be the pitcher he was. don't know him personally so don't hate him hated how he acted for much of his career on the mound to me stardom hit too early and went very much to his head I think there is a big difference between "cocky prick" and being fiery or competitive. He never came off as an arrogant person, just a guy who tried to play with a lot of passion. He seems pretty humble when he speaks of the success he has had. He only had a few moments on the mound where he talked back to the batters. They usually instigated the exchange if I remember correctly, by staring back at him or mouthing off from the dugout. He won't back down at all in situations like that. As for his struggles - so bizarre. The last 2 years you could count on him giving you 6-7 strong innings with low ERA and WHIP. Now this year he is all over the place. He definately needs to figure this out at AAA, not the majors.
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Post by Score on Jun 6, 2023 13:10:25 GMT -4
Despite the struggles of Manoah, I'm still happy with:
Gausman Bassett BerrĂos Kikuchi
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 6, 2023 13:30:57 GMT -4
Despite the struggles of Manoah, I'm still happy with: Gausman Bassett BerrĂos Kikuchi With Kikuchi you have to wonder if he is going back to last year, April he went 4-0 3.00 ERA and 30 baserunners in 27 IP. May he went 2-2 5.83 ERA and 49 baserunners in 29.1 IP.
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Post by lirette on Jun 6, 2023 14:13:20 GMT -4
what did he do in the off season? during spring training? did the dumbass not know the rule changes coming into effect that's an excuse for a cocky prick getting his karma IMO While I don't hate him to the extent you do, I don't disagree that he let his success go to his head ... he has been handed a HUGE slice of humble pie this season - time will tell if he can get it back together and emerge stronger, or if he implodes never to be the pitcher he was. I personally think his current performance is taking a toll on his mental health and its making whatever mechnical issue hes having worse. His slider is not sliding. I'm sure he can get it back there. The talent and work effort is all there. Watching his interviews and how he looks in the dugout he looks really full of anxiety, and there was some suggestion on the broadcast last night to sort of confirm that. I think the DL stint makes a lot of sense at this point, throwing him in there against one of the best hitting teams in the MLB was not the right move. I'd be curious to know what his bullpen side sessions are looking like. If his slider is that bad mechnically you'd think theyd also see that in the side session and expect the performance that he had last night, but perhaps he looks good in those sessions and its just game action he can't do it. Had Mitch White not had the setback I'd imagine he would have gotten this start. The only other possibility I can see for now is Kloffenstein.
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Post by jimmy on Jun 6, 2023 14:52:07 GMT -4
While I don't hate him to the extent you do, I don't disagree that he let his success go to his head ... he has been handed a HUGE slice of humble pie this season - time will tell if he can get it back together and emerge stronger, or if he implodes never to be the pitcher he was. I personally think his current performance is taking a toll on his mental health and its making whatever mechnical issue hes having worse. His slider is not sliding. I'm sure he can get it back there. The talent and work effort is all there. Watching his interviews and how he looks in the dugout he looks really full of anxiety, and there was some suggestion on the broadcast last night to sort of confirm that. I think the DL stint makes a lot of sense at this point, throwing him in there against one of the best hitting teams in the MLB was not the right move. I'd be curious to know what his bullpen side sessions are looking like. If his slider is that bad mechnically you'd think theyd also see that in the side session and expect the performance that he had last night, but perhaps he looks good in those sessions and its just game action he can't do it. Had Mitch White not had the setback I'd imagine he would have gotten this start. The only other possibility I can see for now is Kloffenstein. Kloffenstein has been pitching well in AA ... he had kind of faded as a prospect heading into this season following a couple of unimpressive years, but still only 22 and now looking good in AA. That said, I doubt he is ready for the majors. Most likely scenario is they either make a waiver claim or minor trade to add a AAA starter as depth ...
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 6, 2023 15:25:15 GMT -4
Ben Nicholson-Smith @bnicholsonsmith #BlueJays option Alek Manoah to Florida complex
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Post by Jacques Strap on Jun 6, 2023 15:39:51 GMT -4
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