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Post by coleminer on Mar 23, 2024 10:59:27 GMT -4
I am probably being pedantic here. These deaths should be discussed, but not sure how it falls under the current NHL season? They haven't played in the NHL in a long time. Probably should be a separate thread.
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Post by coleminer on Mar 23, 2024 11:10:29 GMT -4
No update on how Dillon Dube's mental health break is going. lol.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 23, 2024 19:31:18 GMT -4
I am probably being pedantic here. These deaths should be discussed, but not sure how it falls under the current NHL season? They haven't played in the NHL in a long time. Probably should be a separate thread. The common theme there is guys that had a lot of fights, some against big guys that could throw bombs.
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Mar 25, 2024 17:05:15 GMT -4
Guys like Simon - a player I enjoyed watching his full career were quite possibly already in a bad position before even playing in the NHL.
This is the problem. The NHL didn't fix it but how many junior fights did he have and at level before that.
Fighting is shrinking from the game. Kids are not wanting to fight for all the reasons we know the dangers. And they are not learning it at any level. That's why it's fading from the pro game slowly. But Q league aside it's been disappearing at a pace for the last 10 years everywhere as younger ages move up.
Early years of Maritime Q teams it was elevated in prominence. That is so different now.
The NHL isn't free of guilt in the CTE syndrome discussion, but these players who are held up as poster reasons why hockey needs to change were likely well on the way before the NHL on this path. Like how many players never made the NHL and have signs of this. I bet there are many.
They say that those teen ages concussion damage is worse for development of brain and what follows from that is life altering.
This has been a dark room discussion in this sport for a long time. Same with NFL. But some leagues at you get level have drastically changed course...and for the better.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Mar 25, 2024 18:40:41 GMT -4
Guys like Simon - a player I enjoyed watching his full career were quite possibly already in a bad position before even playing in the NHL. This is the problem. The NHL didn't fix it but how many junior fights did he have and at level before that. Fighting is shrinking from the game. Kids are not wanting to fight for all the reasons we know the dangers. And they are not learning it at any level. That's why it's fading from the pro game slowly. But Q league aside it's been disappearing at a pace for the last 10 years everywhere as younger ages move up. Early years of Maritime Q teams it was elevated in prominence. That is so different now. The NHL isn't free of guilt in the CTE syndrome discussion, but these players who are held up as poster reasons why hockey needs to change were likely well on the way before the NHL on this path. Like how many players never made the NHL and have signs of this. I bet there are many. They say that those teen ages concussion damage is worse for development of brain and what follows from that is life altering. This has been a dark room discussion in this sport for a long time. Same with NFL. But some leagues at you get level have drastically changed course...and for the better. It's not a hard defense for the NHL, they give 5 minutes for fighting and an extra 2 and 10 for instigating.
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Post by bois on Mar 26, 2024 8:56:04 GMT -4
I dunno i feel like fighting has gone back up significantly in the NHL this year
would love to see some comparative stats for say the last 5 years or so
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Post by MikeC on Mar 26, 2024 10:07:17 GMT -4
I dunno i feel like fighting has gone back up significantly in the NHL this year would love to see some comparative stats for say the last 5 years or so According to hockeyfights.com, the number of fights this year is not up. Check out the bottom of this page: www.hockeyfights.com/leagues/1
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Post by bois on Mar 26, 2024 10:12:01 GMT -4
I dunno i feel like fighting has gone back up significantly in the NHL this year would love to see some comparative stats for say the last 5 years or so According to hockeyfights.com, the number of fights this year is not up. Check out the bottom of this page: www.hockeyfights.com/leagues/1surprising seems like there's been more although to be fair only need 67 more to tie last seasons total i guess
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Post by Jack Bauer on Mar 26, 2024 10:37:04 GMT -4
surprising seems like there's been more although to be fair only need 67 more to tie last seasons total i guess I feel like it was trending as a non-topic until Rempel was called up and then it suddenly was like it was 1992 again and people were almost begging for a heavyweight goon to take over but the reality is still that its mostly just fighters fighting each other but the sport is almost going on around it because the culture has changed so much that we're literally a decade or more past the point where there was any intimidation happening for the other players because of the fighting/toughness/intensity on the ice.
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Post by bois on Mar 26, 2024 11:31:33 GMT -4
I actually think it's the exact opposite
there are very few "fighters" per se now
there are guys who will fight
I feel as if I've seen more fights this year than in recent years
most of them are a result of a hit as opposed to the old line up and go that we used to see
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Post by Jack Bauer on Mar 26, 2024 12:22:45 GMT -4
I actually think it's the exact opposite there are very few "fighters" per se now there are guys who will fight I feel as if I've seen more fights this year than in recent years most of them are a result of a hit as opposed to the old line up and go that we used to see I think we're kind of saying the same thing minus fighting being up. But I agree that there's more fighting among non-fighters or at least that feeling being out there. In a way I think thats what the leadership wants. The idea of the goon is now a black mark on the history of the sport as much as people don't want to hear that. The place fighting has, debate worthy or not, is settling those 1 on 1's after what should be dirty/questionably dirty plays. The idea that a Ryan Reaves fights the guys trying to dismember a Mitch Marner is why the sport became so brutal in the late 90's and early 00's...we basically said the development of those giants with no skill is better for the game then developing small and fast guys with talent. Now we realize that if you're going to have a big guy who can fight he also has to be able to skate and play in your top 12 without being a liability because just being able to fight is no longer something teams need as an individual specialty skill because we now have allowed the skill and talent to have its place as well. The next step in this evolution is stopping the fights after the clean hits.
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Post by bois on Mar 26, 2024 20:28:17 GMT -4
Boston Florida trying to get us to last years fight totals tonight
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Post by bois on Apr 4, 2024 7:59:33 GMT -4
full on line brawl to start the game last night between Jersey and the Rangers Reaves fights again for the Leafs i want an update on where fighting stands this year compared to recent years ... MikeC
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Post by hal on Apr 4, 2024 11:21:02 GMT -4
Bring it back to the QMJHL ......the after the whistle stuff is happening more and more .
* I most likely am gonna get roasted for this line of thinking ...... I am not alone in thinking this .
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Post by Score on Apr 5, 2024 7:19:10 GMT -4
Rempe doesn't bother me.
He is not a scary player (ala Boogard, McGratton)...at all....but with his size, he can do what he wants to do.
I like it.
To me, he has brought that part of hockey back....and I applaud him for doing so.
Good on the kid
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