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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 14, 2023 11:40:58 GMT -4
So with the cup final done, what are the big stories for the off season?
Wpg making huge moves? Wheeler, Dubois, Hellebuck and Scheifele could all move.
How will Toronto deal with the upcoming Matthews and Nylander UFA(2024) as well as moves the new GM might want to make.
Debrincat likely gets traded
Will Berger/Krejci be back in Boston? If not they have a huge hole at C with not a lot of cap room. Trades?
Chicago is getting Bedard, will they try and add vets around him so he isn't counted on to carry the team?
Draft will get interesting after Bedard and Fantilli, could a team trade up?
Cap is flat, some teams may be willing to pay to move dollars to get everybody signed...
Any others?
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 14, 2023 12:16:38 GMT -4
Do we see something we don't expect?
Contract terms and the draft order are driving most of those storylines. Here are some things i'm curious about:
Do we see an Erik Karlsson moved after the season he just had?
Does a team like NJ utilize its cap space to make a big addition? Or just lock up everyone they need to re-sign?
How does Dubas add to the Penguins? Lots of 30+ players on that roster.
How is Vancouver both bad and in the worst cap situation today? Do they finally shake it up with a big move?
Does Tampa have another run in them? You would think now is the time to re-tool.
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Post by bois on Jun 14, 2023 13:06:30 GMT -4
i just hope the draft is actually entertaining this year..... save some of the big moves for the draft floor please
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 14, 2023 13:14:35 GMT -4
i just hope the draft is actually entertaining this year..... save some of the big moves for the draft floor please Last year was pretty entertaining...
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 14, 2023 14:03:32 GMT -4
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 14, 2023 14:21:23 GMT -4
Teams already have craved that element that Florida played with. It's extremely hard to find as you don't just put 1 Gudas in your lineup and feel an effect. It has to be multiple guys who play on that edge. The entire league could have had guys like Bennett and Gudas over the years. Tkachuk is the unicorn but he's also considered a top 5 guy in the league. The big take away is what is always a hot topic: Goaltending. I think there's a few that are a tier above the rest and then there's dozens of guys of similar size and skill who you need to have it between the ears and be physically able to handle the NHL grind. Vegas had 4 guys with 4 game winning streaks late this season. And missed their #1 guy all year. That was a deep team built for the current way the game is played. But again the injury and LTIR suff is also lingering...Why can players suddenly miss months but play game 1 of the playoffs and go every 2nd night for 2 months? Mark Stone seems to be in a situation where based on his health he can take a seat for the next 8 months...heal up...have his own little training camp next winter and be ready for game 1...of the 2024 playoffs. I have no issue with the system being exploited as much as I do the league seeing it but not trying to implement some mechanism to prevent it just like the long term deals they put an end to.
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Post by Smiley on Jun 14, 2023 14:55:27 GMT -4
Teams already have craved that element that Florida played with. It's extremely hard to find as you don't just put 1 Gudas in your lineup and feel an effect. It has to be multiple guys who play on that edge. The entire league could have had guys like Bennett and Gudas over the years. Tkachuk is the unicorn but he's also considered a top 5 guy in the league. The big take away is what is always a hot topic: Goaltending. I think there's a few that are a tier above the rest and then there's dozens of guys of similar size and skill who you need to have it between the ears and be physically able to handle the NHL grind. Vegas had 4 guys with 4 game winning streaks late this season. And missed their #1 guy all year. That was a deep team built for the current way the game is played. But again the injury and LTIR suff is also lingering...Why can players suddenly miss months but play game 1 of the playoffs and go every 2nd night for 2 months? Mark Stone seems to be in a situation where based on his health he can take a seat for the next 8 months...heal up...have his own little training camp next winter and be ready for game 1...of the 2024 playoffs. I have no issue with the system being exploited as much as I do the league seeing it but not trying to implement some mechanism to prevent it just like the long term deals they put an end to. I actually don't compare Mark Stone to the Kucherov deal. When the Playoffs started Mark Stone could hardly walk. I actually thought it was a mistake to be dressing him but some how he got better with everyone targeting him...heck Jamie Benn used his neck as a resting spot for his stick. But it was clear he was still injured, and he did play 43 games in regular season. Kucherov was healthy and could of played in the regular season, that was clear cap manipulation..but what do you do.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 14, 2023 15:11:52 GMT -4
Teams already have craved that element that Florida played with. It's extremely hard to find as you don't just put 1 Gudas in your lineup and feel an effect. It has to be multiple guys who play on that edge. The entire league could have had guys like Bennett and Gudas over the years. Tkachuk is the unicorn but he's also considered a top 5 guy in the league. The big take away is what is always a hot topic: Goaltending. I think there's a few that are a tier above the rest and then there's dozens of guys of similar size and skill who you need to have it between the ears and be physically able to handle the NHL grind. Vegas had 4 guys with 4 game winning streaks late this season. And missed their #1 guy all year. That was a deep team built for the current way the game is played. But again the injury and LTIR suff is also lingering...Why can players suddenly miss months but play game 1 of the playoffs and go every 2nd night for 2 months? Mark Stone seems to be in a situation where based on his health he can take a seat for the next 8 months...heal up...have his own little training camp next winter and be ready for game 1...of the 2024 playoffs. I have no issue with the system being exploited as much as I do the league seeing it but not trying to implement some mechanism to prevent it just like the long term deals they put an end to. I actually don't compare Mark Stone to the Kucherov deal. When the Playoffs started Mark Stone could hardly walk. I actually thought it was a mistake to be dressing him but some how he got better with everyone targeting him...heck Jamie Benn used his neck as a resting spot for his stick. But it was clear he was still injured, and he did play 43 games in regular season. Kucherov was healthy and could of played in the regular season, that was clear cap manipulation..but what do you do. Only solution I see is this: Every playoff game is played under the same salary cap as regular season games. That way a Mark Stone can miss half the season...but the team can only benefit from his absence in games he doesn't play in during the post-season. Where the regular season is played under the 23 man system but teams don't need to carry 23...playoff games can be played under 20 man system so you get a slight bump on the aav of your roster for a playoff game but nothing you can really exploit at the trade deadline.
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Post by MikeC on Jun 14, 2023 15:32:13 GMT -4
I actually don't compare Mark Stone to the Kucherov deal. When the Playoffs started Mark Stone could hardly walk. I actually thought it was a mistake to be dressing him but some how he got better with everyone targeting him...heck Jamie Benn used his neck as a resting spot for his stick. But it was clear he was still injured, and he did play 43 games in regular season. Kucherov was healthy and could of played in the regular season, that was clear cap manipulation..but what do you do. Only solution I see is this: Every playoff game is played under the same salary cap as regular season games. That way a Mark Stone can miss half the season...but the team can only benefit from his absence in games he doesn't play in during the post-season. Where the regular season is played under the 23 man system but teams don't need to carry 23...playoff games can be played under 20 man system so you get a slight bump on the aav of your roster for a playoff game but nothing you can really exploit at the trade deadline. Or treat the playoffs like the off-season where teams are allowed to exceed the cap by 10%.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 14, 2023 15:50:13 GMT -4
Teams already have craved that element that Florida played with. It's extremely hard to find as you don't just put 1 Gudas in your lineup and feel an effect. It has to be multiple guys who play on that edge. The entire league could have had guys like Bennett and Gudas over the years. Tkachuk is the unicorn but he's also considered a top 5 guy in the league. The big take away is what is always a hot topic: Goaltending. I think there's a few that are a tier above the rest and then there's dozens of guys of similar size and skill who you need to have it between the ears and be physically able to handle the NHL grind. Vegas had 4 guys with 4 game winning streaks late this season. And missed their #1 guy all year. That was a deep team built for the current way the game is played. But again the injury and LTIR suff is also lingering...Why can players suddenly miss months but play game 1 of the playoffs and go every 2nd night for 2 months? Mark Stone seems to be in a situation where based on his health he can take a seat for the next 8 months...heal up...have his own little training camp next winter and be ready for game 1...of the 2024 playoffs. I have no issue with the system being exploited as much as I do the league seeing it but not trying to implement some mechanism to prevent it just like the long term deals they put an end to. I think the next CBA will include something on the LTIR "loophole" same as with LTIR players getting paid by insurance ending up on rebuilding/small markets to save payroll and clear it from big markets.
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Post by hal on Jun 14, 2023 16:24:32 GMT -4
Mark Stone has a Boatload of Money and he now has his Cup and Ring ........I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't play again .
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Post by scotiahockey on Jun 14, 2023 19:34:33 GMT -4
Teams already have craved that element that Florida played with. It's extremely hard to find as you don't just put 1 Gudas in your lineup and feel an effect. It has to be multiple guys who play on that edge. The entire league could have had guys like Bennett and Gudas over the years. Tkachuk is the unicorn but he's also considered a top 5 guy in the league. The big take away is what is always a hot topic: Goaltending. I think there's a few that are a tier above the rest and then there's dozens of guys of similar size and skill who you need to have it between the ears and be physically able to handle the NHL grind. Vegas had 4 guys with 4 game winning streaks late this season. And missed their #1 guy all year. That was a deep team built for the current way the game is played. But again the injury and LTIR suff is also lingering...Why can players suddenly miss months but play game 1 of the playoffs and go every 2nd night for 2 months? Mark Stone seems to be in a situation where based on his health he can take a seat for the next 8 months...heal up...have his own little training camp next winter and be ready for game 1...of the 2024 playoffs. I have no issue with the system being exploited as much as I do the league seeing it but not trying to implement some mechanism to prevent it just like the long term deals they put an end to. I think the next CBA will include something on the LTIR "loophole" same as with LTIR players getting paid by insurance ending up on rebuilding/small markets to save payroll and clear it from big markets. I don’t see why the owners would push to do this, they seem to enjoy it if they want to spend the money they can. The players maybe would because it’s in theory “less money” to spend on guys on the roster but the guys getting paid are members of the union so they’ll never go against them either. If the “loophole” was a big issue, I think it would have been addressed already. The fact it wasn’t, I think speaks volumes to where everyone stands on it.
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Post by jordo999 on Jun 14, 2023 19:36:24 GMT -4
do we see Vegas resign Adin Hill? Thompson is still expected to be their number one guy and Vegas doesn't have much cap space, I can see a team looking for a goalie sign Hill to a 3 or 4 year deal at around 4M per maybe??
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 15, 2023 7:31:07 GMT -4
do we see Vegas resign Adin Hill? Thompson is still expected to be their number one guy and Vegas doesn't have much cap space, I can see a team looking for a goalie sign Hill to a 3 or 4 year deal at around 4M per maybe?? Lehner should be back as well, he had his wonky hip fixed in April I believe.
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Post by bois on Jun 15, 2023 13:00:23 GMT -4
do we see Vegas resign Adin Hill? Thompson is still expected to be their number one guy and Vegas doesn't have much cap space, I can see a team looking for a goalie sign Hill to a 3 or 4 year deal at around 4M per maybe?? Lehner should be back as well, he had his wonky hip fixed in April I believe. He wont be back in vegas
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