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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 28, 2023 9:58:20 GMT -4
While i'm glad we didn't win the sweepstakes......... i am gonna say this is a good deal for LA.. even if Dubois remains what he basically has shown to be thus far quite a center lineup with Kopitar, Dubois, Danault Agreed. Thats a solid contract as well assuming no major injury Dubois should be ideal #2 C who can play up or down the lineup if needed. With the cap jumps over the next 2-3 off seasons I think LA ends up very happy with the move. On the flip side though....no clue what Winnipeg is doing. They have no catalysts and are adding complimentary pieces as opposed to high draft picks. In a market that isn't going to support a team with no direction but I think would be fully on board with a proper rebuild. I really don't get that logic. They only want to take half a step back as their top guys all look to move on. How does this end up well for them? It's reckless managing in my opinion. How is this not the perfect time to move guys for futures and take 2-3 years to reset? They're going to just end up there anyway.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 28, 2023 10:19:14 GMT -4
While i'm glad we didn't win the sweepstakes......... i am gonna say this is a good deal for LA.. even if Dubois remains what he basically has shown to be thus far quite a center lineup with Kopitar, Dubois, Danault Agreed. Thats a solid contract as well assuming no major injury Dubois should be ideal #2 C who can play up or down the lineup if needed. With the cap jumps over the next 2-3 off seasons I think LA ends up very happy with the move. On the flip side though....no clue what Winnipeg is doing. They have no catalysts and are adding complimentary pieces as opposed to high draft picks. In a market that isn't going to support a team with no direction but I think would be fully on board with a proper rebuild. I really don't get that logic. They only want to take half a step back as their top guys all look to move on. How does this end up well for them? It's reckless managing in my opinion. How is this not the perfect time to move guys for futures and take 2-3 years to reset? They're going to just end up there anyway. Assuming his back issues are behind him, Vilardi is a guy who should be able to step in and replace most of what PLD gives you. He was on a +- 30-25-55 pace with 15:36 min a game, if you give him +-18min per game with good wingers he could easily produce at a 60-70 point pace. Plus you get 3 other good assets.
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Post by jordo999 on Jun 28, 2023 11:37:53 GMT -4
idk I still think Winnipeg does fine here. They basically gained an entire line. Vilardi is the big piece here as well, only had 4 goals less than Dubois. He could definitely be a 30 goal guy in Winnipeg and will come cheaper. Kupari has potential to be a decent 3rd line guy. Iafallo could arguably be flipped for more draft picks at the next deadline.
Perfetti could take that next step as well and likely become the 2nd line center of the future.
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Post by jordo999 on Jun 28, 2023 11:40:44 GMT -4
With Colorado getting Johansen and Colton they're pretty set up the middle so looks like J.T Compher is definitely on the way out, I'm wondering if Toronto could make it work to bring him in for the top 6. However, he'd have to play wing. But he's a 50+ point guy, and likely gonna command 5-6M I'd think. Still only 28 as well.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 28, 2023 11:40:47 GMT -4
idk I still think Winnipeg does fine here. They basically gained an entire line. Vilardi is the big piece here as well, only had 4 goals less than Dubois. He could definitely be a 30 goal guy in Winnipeg and will come cheaper. Kupari has potential to be a decent 3rd line guy. Iafallo could arguably be flipped for more draft picks at the next deadline. Perfetti could take that next step as well and likely become the 2nd line center of the future. Definitely looks like Wpg is trying to stay competitive vs a rebuild. I wonder if a 3 way trade with Nashville for Saros with Nsh getting picks/prospects from a team adding Hellebuck would work?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 28, 2023 11:43:09 GMT -4
Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli Big day. Lots percolating. Here's the latest: #GoHabsGo weighing as many as five offers for No. 5 overall pick.
#pens Petry, #LGRW Zadina, #SeaKraken Geekie, #GoBolts Bogosian and #TimeToHunt Duclair all added to the board.
I'm not a fan of passing on MM...if they do, they better be getting a haul as the players 6-11/12 are all pretty similar.
The Petry trade looks great for Montreal, Matheson took a nice step forward and is only 29 with 3 more years at less than 5M...and Pitt now looking to dump Petry
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Post by jordo999 on Jun 28, 2023 11:43:24 GMT -4
idk I still think Winnipeg does fine here. They basically gained an entire line. Vilardi is the big piece here as well, only had 4 goals less than Dubois. He could definitely be a 30 goal guy in Winnipeg and will come cheaper. Kupari has potential to be a decent 3rd line guy. Iafallo could arguably be flipped for more draft picks at the next deadline. Perfetti could take that next step as well and likely become the 2nd line center of the future. Definitely looks like Wpg is trying to stay competitive vs a rebuild. I wonder if a 3 way trade with Nashville for Saros with Nsh getting picks/prospects from a team adding Hellebuck would work? yeah I think we see more re-tool type trades from them if they can. Get younger but NHL ready guys rather than projects. I think if they move Hellebuyck maybe it's possible for Saros but I feel that would be similar value in and out so they aren't gaining as much. I think they could draft Hrabel in the 1st round tonight as well depending how things play out.
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Post by jordo999 on Jun 28, 2023 11:45:53 GMT -4
Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli Big day. Lots percolating. Here's the latest: #GoHabsGo weighing as many as five offers for No. 5 overall pick. #pens Petry, #LGRW Zadina, #SeaKraken Geekie, #GoBolts Bogosian and #TimeToHunt Duclair all added to the board. I'm not a fan of passing on MM...if they do, they better be getting a haul as the players 6-11/12 are all pretty similar. wonder if a deal with Washington is possible to move back to #8 they try to grab Michkov at #5, but I'm not sure there's anyone really that enticing Montreal could want from Washington. Maybe Lapierre? Doubt it though as they're pretty packed down the middle prospect wise.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 28, 2023 11:46:43 GMT -4
Definitely looks like Wpg is trying to stay competitive vs a rebuild. I wonder if a 3 way trade with Nashville for Saros with Nsh getting picks/prospects from a team adding Hellebuck would work? yeah I think we see more re-tool type trades from them if they can. Get younger but NHL ready guys rather than projects. I think if they move Hellebuyck maybe it's possible for Saros but I feel that would be similar value in and out so they aren't gaining as much. I think they could draft Hrabel in the 1st round tonight as well depending how things play out. The advantage is they can probably sign Saros while Hellebuck wants out, Saros has 2 years at 5M left.
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Post by bois on Jun 28, 2023 12:01:24 GMT -4
Not a fan of moving down in the draft either really unless they honestly prefer one of the players rated outside the top 5 as opposed to waiting on Michkov
Certainly not worth dropping to 8 if you only get a prospect in return......
seeing what Colorado did with the pick they got from us yesterday makes me even more convinced we overpaid on Newhook.... could have kept the extra first and gotten a young player with stanley cup pedigree in Colten instead and been no worse off
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 28, 2023 13:05:41 GMT -4
idk I still think Winnipeg does fine here. They basically gained an entire line. Vilardi is the big piece here as well, only had 4 goals less than Dubois. He could definitely be a 30 goal guy in Winnipeg and will come cheaper. Kupari has potential to be a decent 3rd line guy. Iafallo could arguably be flipped for more draft picks at the next deadline. Perfetti could take that next step as well and likely become the 2nd line center of the future. But are they closer to contending? They get 2 players for 1. But with everything else going on there it still seems like they're just kind of spinning their wheels and shooting for a mid-pack playoff bubble finish. I also think that a guy like Perfetti could be a 2nd line C. But on a team thats basically lacking a 1st line that becomes a tough situation when you're facing some of the top guys in the West. To go from Laine to Dubois to Vilardi/Iafallo isn't going to excite any Winnipeg fans. I just view them as a market where knowledgeable fans will buy in to a proper rebuild...so use that to your advantage. The top teams in the West should be loving seeing a team try and rebuild this way as it just means they won't be a threat any time soon.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 28, 2023 13:13:06 GMT -4
Not a fan of moving down in the draft either really unless they honestly prefer one of the players rated outside the top 5 as opposed to waiting on Michkov Certainly not worth dropping to 8 if you only get a prospect in return...... seeing what Colorado did with the pick they got from us yesterday makes me even more convinced we overpaid on Newhook.... could have kept the extra first and gotten a young player with stanley cup pedigree in Colten instead and been no worse off I agree with this, draft the guy with star potential. The whole having to wait 3 years or concerns about Russia, most kids are not big contributors for 2-3 years usually anyways and players are still coming from Russia with what is happening politically.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jun 28, 2023 13:18:13 GMT -4
Not a fan of moving down in the draft either really unless they honestly prefer one of the players rated outside the top 5 as opposed to waiting on Michkov Certainly not worth dropping to 8 if you only get a prospect in return...... seeing what Colorado did with the pick they got from us yesterday makes me even more convinced we overpaid on Newhook.... could have kept the extra first and gotten a young player with stanley cup pedigree in Colten instead and been no worse off I agree with this, draft the guy with star potential. The whole having to wait 3 years or concerns about Russia, most kids are not big contributors for 2-3 years usually anyways and players are still coming from Russia with what is happening politically. But as a GM if you pick him and he's not here for the next 3 years...do you get to ever have him play for you? That becomes the issue. And for a kid nobody has seen play against his peers and won't for the foreseeable future. 3 years is a long time. Not for us fans. But it is for a GM making a top 5 pick.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 28, 2023 13:21:46 GMT -4
Pierre LeBrun @pierrevlebrun · 14m Devils and Timo Meier have agreed to an 8 year deal worth $8.8 M AAV per season @tsnhockey @theathletic
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 28, 2023 15:53:19 GMT -4
Kevin Weekes @kevinweekes · 1m **Breaking News** 🚨 📰 I’m told the @goldenknights are trading F Reilly Smith to @penguins for a 3rd Rd Draft Pick. @espn @nhl @nhlnetwork @dksportsbook @tsnhockey #HockeyTwitter
Good trade for Pit, 5M a year for a 56 point guy...LV was up against the cap, I guess this helps them fill the roster.
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