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Post by hal on Jul 6, 2023 16:31:28 GMT -4
Not sure if everybody follows this but Gas is going up 7.5 cents a litre at Midnight tonight . So much for the thinking that the Week after the Carbon Tax they wouldn't kick us in the head............ again .
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 6, 2023 22:41:17 GMT -4
It was always reported as a 2 part hike coming over 2 weeks.
For something many are following there's an amazing amount of misinformation about it.
It was over $2.15/litre 12 months ago and i'm supposed to want to torch the Prime Minister OR my Premier depending on which political party I want to see succeed because the price tomorrow will be $1.70 and coming with a quarterly rebate check.
And part of that $1.70 cost are a ton of good programs intended to both get my house more energy efficient and get me buying and using considerably less energy while getting better year round climate control. That $2.15 per liter was just making oil companies richer.
I'll wake up tomorrow glad gas is almost 50 cents per litre cheaper than last year. While wishing my Prime Minister was anything resembling a person in touch with what is hurting the country and wishing my Premier didn't take a childish approach to negotiating a real plan with the Federal government when in the end he still won't even give us back the increased revenue he is also seeing from the higher prices.
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Post by kyle44 on Jul 7, 2023 8:37:05 GMT -4
Yeah, people are conflating the federal fuel charge (i.e. carbon tax) with the federal clean fuel regulations. The increase today is due to the latter.
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Post by moosefan1994 on Jul 7, 2023 13:19:51 GMT -4
The fact that a sizeable number of Nova Scotians are blaming our premier for a carbon tax that Trudeau and Guilbeault is forcing on Nova Scotia shows how absolutely how fucked we are as a population.
Only one way to get rid of it, if you aren’t voting Conservative in the next federal election than you have no reason to complain about this tax increasing your cost of living!!
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Post by Score on Jul 7, 2023 13:32:43 GMT -4
The fact that a sizeable number of Nova Scotians are blaming our premier for a carbon tax that Trudeau and Guilbeault is forcing on Nova Scotia shows how absolutely how fucked we are as a population. Only one way to get rid of it, if you aren’t voting Conservative in the next federal election than you have no reason to complain about this tax increasing your cost of living!! Who is the Conservative leader anyways?
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Post by moosefan1994 on Jul 7, 2023 13:34:20 GMT -4
The fact that a sizeable number of Nova Scotians are blaming our premier for a carbon tax that Trudeau and Guilbeault is forcing on Nova Scotia shows how absolutely how fucked we are as a population. Only one way to get rid of it, if you aren’t voting Conservative in the next federal election than you have no reason to complain about this tax increasing your cost of living!! Who is the Conservative leader anyways? Tim Houston.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 7, 2023 13:40:28 GMT -4
The fact that a sizeable number of Nova Scotians are blaming our premier for a carbon tax that Trudeau and Guilbeault is forcing on Nova Scotia shows how absolutely how fucked we are as a population. Only one way to get rid of it, if you aren’t voting Conservative in the next federal election than you have no reason to complain about this tax increasing your cost of living!! The Carbon Tax isn't new. The provinces had a chance to come up with a plan. The previous government did that using the cap and trade system. You're blind to your own Conservative colors if you can't see how the province is also to blame for this being downloaded to the general public. Why else are they not bending over backwards to give us a few cent discount from their own revenue increase tied to this? If I vote for the Conservatives next election...what is the plan in place to replace the revenue these taxes bring in? Do all the home efficiency programs, heat pump rebates, $40K tax free loan...does that all disappear with it so that gas can just be as expensive anyway? Why am I voting for "avoid inflation with bitcoin" to be Prime Minister because of snappy tag lines? Can I get some actually information on what the financial plan would look like? My cost of living was worse 12 months ago. Now gas is 40 cents cheaper and i'm getting a check from Trudeau. My cost of living has increased even after this carbon tax.
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Post by moosefan1994 on Jul 7, 2023 18:28:11 GMT -4
The fact that a sizeable number of Nova Scotians are blaming our premier for a carbon tax that Trudeau and Guilbeault is forcing on Nova Scotia shows how absolutely how fucked we are as a population. Only one way to get rid of it, if you aren’t voting Conservative in the next federal election than you have no reason to complain about this tax increasing your cost of living!! The Carbon Tax isn't new. The provinces had a chance to come up with a plan. The previous government did that using the cap and trade system. You're blind to your own Conservative colors if you can't see how the province is also to blame for this being downloaded to the general public. Why else are they not bending over backwards to give us a few cent discount from their own revenue increase tied to this? If I vote for the Conservatives next election...what is the plan in place to replace the revenue these taxes bring in? Do all the home efficiency programs, heat pump rebates, $40K tax free loan...does that all disappear with it so that gas can just be as expensive anyway? Why am I voting for "avoid inflation with bitcoin" to be Prime Minister because of snappy tag lines? Can I get some actually information on what the financial plan would look like? My cost of living was worse 12 months ago. Now gas is 40 cents cheaper and i'm getting a check from Trudeau. My cost of living has increased even after this carbon tax. So your argument for the carbon tax and clean fuel standard is revenue generation when the purpose of these taxes is supposed to be emissions reduction? The fact that you go there reinforces that these are just tax grabs. As far as answering I guess we would have to go back to the dark ages of revenue generation before 2016. The Liberals are trying, unsuccessfully, to reduce emissions through taxation and excessive regulation, the solution is going to be innovation and entrepreneurship which will reduce the price of renewable energy below oil and gas.
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Post by briansjnb on Jul 10, 2023 8:39:45 GMT -4
The fact that a sizeable number of Nova Scotians are blaming our premier for a carbon tax that Trudeau and Guilbeault is forcing on Nova Scotia shows how absolutely how fucked we are as a population. Only one way to get rid of it, if you aren’t voting Conservative in the next federal election than you have no reason to complain about this tax increasing your cost of living!! This is impressive misinformation peddled by those lovely conservatives (including a $56,000 ad campaign from Houston). Most Canadians will get more money back in rebates than they will pay in fuel charges. The conservatives are desperate to make the carbon tax a negative campaign issue which failed colossally in 2019. Shows they continue to have no new ideas and are disconnected from voters.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 10, 2023 8:45:15 GMT -4
The fact that a sizeable number of Nova Scotians are blaming our premier for a carbon tax that Trudeau and Guilbeault is forcing on Nova Scotia shows how absolutely how fucked we are as a population. Only one way to get rid of it, if you aren’t voting Conservative in the next federal election than you have no reason to complain about this tax increasing your cost of living!! This is impressive misinformation peddled by those lovely conservatives (including a $56,000 ad campaign from Houston). Most Canadians will get more money back in rebates than they will pay in fuel charges. The conservatives are desperate to make the carbon tax a negative campaign issue which failed colossally in 2019. Shows they continue to have no new ideas and are disconnected from voters. They are taking a page out of the Trump playbook, hoping voters are too dumb and uneducated to see through their lies and cheap propaganda. Polievre tries to pass himself off as an "outsider" when he's never had a job outside of government.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 10, 2023 8:53:01 GMT -4
The Carbon Tax isn't new. The provinces had a chance to come up with a plan. The previous government did that using the cap and trade system. You're blind to your own Conservative colors if you can't see how the province is also to blame for this being downloaded to the general public. Why else are they not bending over backwards to give us a few cent discount from their own revenue increase tied to this? If I vote for the Conservatives next election...what is the plan in place to replace the revenue these taxes bring in? Do all the home efficiency programs, heat pump rebates, $40K tax free loan...does that all disappear with it so that gas can just be as expensive anyway? Why am I voting for "avoid inflation with bitcoin" to be Prime Minister because of snappy tag lines? Can I get some actually information on what the financial plan would look like? My cost of living was worse 12 months ago. Now gas is 40 cents cheaper and i'm getting a check from Trudeau. My cost of living has increased even after this carbon tax. So your argument for the carbon tax and clean fuel standard is revenue generation when the purpose of these taxes is supposed to be emissions reduction? The fact that you go there reinforces that these are just tax grabs. As far as answering I guess we would have to go back to the dark ages of revenue generation before 2016. The Liberals are trying, unsuccessfully, to reduce emissions through taxation and excessive regulation, the solution is going to be innovation and entrepreneurship which will reduce the price of renewable energy below oil and gas. Your response when asked what the plan is....is to go all Make Canada Great Again...it's amazing how pathetic that answer is. Why not go back to pre-1989 when the Conservative PM introduced a sales tax? Do you think that has had any negative impact on the cost of living over 34 years? Or ONLY a Carbon tax? I'm late 30's/early 40's. Literally EVERY SINGLE homeowner I now is either A) Having work done or B) planning it over the next 18 months because of the programs the Carbon tax is paying for. I'm supposed to believe this does not do ANYTHING for the environment and that the policies ONLY hurt me even though my house will be oil free by 2026 or so and my energy costs will almost be cut in half. But sure...innovation led by a career politician is the way to go....
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 10, 2023 8:55:06 GMT -4
The fact that a sizeable number of Nova Scotians are blaming our premier for a carbon tax that Trudeau and Guilbeault is forcing on Nova Scotia shows how absolutely how fucked we are as a population. Only one way to get rid of it, if you aren’t voting Conservative in the next federal election than you have no reason to complain about this tax increasing your cost of living!! This is impressive misinformation peddled by those lovely conservatives (including a $56,000 ad campaign from Houston). Most Canadians will get more money back in rebates than they will pay in fuel charges. The conservatives are desperate to make the carbon tax a negative campaign issue which failed colossally in 2019. Shows they continue to have no new ideas and are disconnected from voters. Blinded by colors. Don't care at all about policy or what programs these things are paying for and how helpful they are. We can pay $3 for a litre of oil and make oil execs rich or use these programs to better insulate our homes and get us more efficient energy sources....what a difficult decision....
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Post by Briwhel on Jul 10, 2023 9:00:48 GMT -4
Here's the NB breakdown: nbeub.ca/images/documents/petroleum_pricing/currentmaximumpriceenglish.pdf91.32 cents a litre 6.51 cents a litre Wholesale margin 6.17 cents carbon adjustment (including the part that was supposed to apply to refiners) 8.46 cents Retail Margin 3.75 cents Delivery which leads to 91.32 becoming 174.1 (even though the actual carbon tax added about 2 cents, which would lead to a price of 107.32 before factoring in profits, which were already partially included in the Benchmark Price). That means that if you gas up at an Irving in NB, you are paying 66 cents to Irving (or on behalf of Irving) and 107 worth of cost.
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Post by moosefan1994 on Jul 10, 2023 9:05:57 GMT -4
I would rather have a climate change plan where the cost of renewable energy was lowered to below what oil and gas were at their lower levels rather than a carbon tax designed to raise the cost to where renewables are presently - not at all sorry that it seems MAGA like for fuck sakes it’s common fucking sense people , if you like paying taxes so much maybe you can pay mine as well!!!
As for the introduction of the GST - that tax replaced a worse tax that was hidden in the cost of all goods manufactured in Canada.
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Post by Briwhel on Jul 10, 2023 9:11:39 GMT -4
I would rather have a climate change plan where the cost of renewable energy was lowered to below what oil and gas were at their lower levels rather than a carbon tax designed to raise the cost to where renewables are presently - not at all sorry that it seems MAGA like for fuck sakes it’s common fucking sense people , if you like paying taxes so much maybe you can pay mine as well!!! As for the introduction of the GST - that tax replaced a worse tax that was hidden in the cost of all goods manufactured in Canada. You do realize that the feds are actively investing in green technologies at the same time and that the extra cost is based on the idea that 1) the green technologies often require expensive resources and 2) they haven't existed for a hundred years yet
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