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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 25, 2024 8:21:49 GMT -4
When will Marner show up? He had a nice assist but ultimately his style and lack of willingness to really get physical and play a certain way this time of year really stands out when its so tough to generate anything. If this series keeps going the way it is I just don't see how Treliving won't see him as the biggest way to introduce some real change to the lineup.
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Post by bois on Apr 25, 2024 13:57:08 GMT -4
Still no word on Nylander he looks fine practicing
also Tavares didn't show up for the big game last night
neither really did Matthews to be fair
this series is definitely going 6 probably 7
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Post by Score on Apr 25, 2024 14:07:59 GMT -4
Apparently he was having migraines....and could be concussion protocol...
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 25, 2024 14:17:24 GMT -4
also Tavares didn't show up for the big game last night Sure, i'll take the bait. What is a "big game" becomes individual opinion. Monday was a big game. Down 1-0 starting on the road you don't want to go down 0-2. Saturday is a big game. You can't fall down 3-1. I predict we get Matthews and Tavares best on Saturday. I didn't even think Tavares played bad last night. He just didn't score. His pace is noticeably slower at this point in his career but its 100% never an effort thing.
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Post by lirette on Apr 25, 2024 15:24:07 GMT -4
Apparently he was having migraines....and could be concussion protocol... He has a history with migraines, and tried a tinted visor to deal with them one season. It seems unlikely its related to a concussion and could just be chronic migraines. Severe migraines can render a person unable to do much if they are bad enough. Its not shocking he would be unable to play if they are severe.
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Post by Score on Apr 25, 2024 15:38:59 GMT -4
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Post by hal on Apr 25, 2024 21:32:28 GMT -4
Marner look to be honest here ......petrified out there at times .
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 26, 2024 7:35:06 GMT -4
Marner look to be honest here ......petrified out there at times . At playoff time, your stars have to be willing to get their hands dirty, simple as that.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 26, 2024 9:44:06 GMT -4
Marner look to be honest here ......petrified out there at times . He is in that he will find open space but he will also do nothing to create it. He lacks the high end speed so its so much on creativity and patience that just don't happen as much come playoff time. Put a Nylander on a 3rd line and he will create and play a harder style. But Marner can only look good when he has an elite center to do the heavy lifting. We've given him the time to develop and see what he looks like as a prime NHL player. It's still a 100 point winger. Its just not something that translates into playoff success as a style. He had more points then many others in game 3 with a nice assist yet so many did more physically that didn't reflect in goals or assists. At this point a Marner on a team with a terrible PP at the worst time of year is a bad look. I don't see how Treliving isn't seeing guys transforming into playoff warriors and doesn't view Marner as the biggest move to make to really add more sandpaper up front and (imo the biggest need) more talent on the blueline.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 26, 2024 9:47:44 GMT -4
You don't build an arena on Bay St in Toronto and sell $800 tickets as a face value (That was for game 3 vs Boston in the lower bowl) price and then complain only rich people showed up who weren't as rowdy as the folks outside. They've made it so that only the 1% can even consider attending more than 2 games per season with a system that makes sure a good 95% of the tickets are sold before the season even starts to the countries elite who tend to not be the party in public types.
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Post by scotiahockey on Apr 26, 2024 10:01:50 GMT -4
You don't build an arena on Bay St in Toronto and sell $800 tickets as a face value (That was for game 3 vs Boston in the lower bowl) price and then complain only rich people showed up who weren't as rowdy as the folks outside. They've made it so that only the 1% can even consider attending more than 2 games per season with a system that makes sure a good 95% of the tickets are sold before the season even starts to the countries elite who tend to not be the party in public types. Personally I think Bowen is wrong. A lot of people in the rink, said it was loud. A lot of people said it was extremely loud when there was a reason to be loud. Goals, hits, etc. Obviously you could hear a pin drop when the Leafs get scored on. People who were at the game for the most part though, thought it was loud. People trying to sell content don’t. We know you can’t trust the broadcast, the arena just doesn’t mix well on TV and different networks dull/pump in certain noises to give more juice to other things. The TV is a terrible barometer of how the crowd is. The reality of it is, the majority of the people in the stands have been burned a million times by the Leafs. Rightfully so, they're a little skeptical of this team. It’s not the crowds fault, it isn’t the refs fault, it isn’t the coach’s fault. Everything that happens to this team, is because of the players. I said it last year and I’ll say it again, Shanny needs to go. This is his team. The team needs to trade Marner and shake up this core. They aren’t going to get it done with these players.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 26, 2024 10:38:17 GMT -4
You don't build an arena on Bay St in Toronto and sell $800 tickets as a face value (That was for game 3 vs Boston in the lower bowl) price and then complain only rich people showed up who weren't as rowdy as the folks outside. They've made it so that only the 1% can even consider attending more than 2 games per season with a system that makes sure a good 95% of the tickets are sold before the season even starts to the countries elite who tend to not be the party in public types. Personally I think Bowen is wrong. A lot of people in the rink, said it was loud. A lot of people said it was extremely loud when there was a reason to be loud. Goals, hits, etc. Obviously you could hear a pin drop when the Leafs get scored on. People who were at the game for the most part though, thought it was loud. People trying to sell content don’t. We know you can’t trust the broadcast, the arena just doesn’t mix well on TV and different networks dull/pump in certain noises to give more juice to other things. The TV is a terrible barometer of how the crowd is. The reality of it is, the majority of the people in the stands have been burned a million times by the Leafs. Rightfully so, they're a little skeptical of this team. It’s not the crowds fault, it isn’t the refs fault, it isn’t the coach’s fault. Everything that happens to this team, is because of the players. I said it last year and I’ll say it again, Shanny needs to go. This is his team. The team needs to trade Marner and shake up this core. They aren’t going to get it done with these players. My wife isn't a sports fan. She watches many Leaf games with me. Her first comment after puck drop was how rowdy that crowd was. For Scotiabank Arena....that place was loud as hell. For an NHL playoff game when compared to Winnipeg and Edmonton? It's a clear step below. I'm with you on the end of Shanahan. How such a gritty 2 way player has allowed this team to be built with such a weak physical style while the winning teams all play heavy and hard is not excuseable this far into this core's NHL lifespan. Things should have changed at the top after losing to Columbus.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 26, 2024 10:40:42 GMT -4
Personally I think Bowen is wrong. A lot of people in the rink, said it was loud. A lot of people said it was extremely loud when there was a reason to be loud. Goals, hits, etc. Obviously you could hear a pin drop when the Leafs get scored on. People who were at the game for the most part though, thought it was loud. People trying to sell content don’t. We know you can’t trust the broadcast, the arena just doesn’t mix well on TV and different networks dull/pump in certain noises to give more juice to other things. The TV is a terrible barometer of how the crowd is. The reality of it is, the majority of the people in the stands have been burned a million times by the Leafs. Rightfully so, they're a little skeptical of this team. It’s not the crowds fault, it isn’t the refs fault, it isn’t the coach’s fault. Everything that happens to this team, is because of the players. I said it last year and I’ll say it again, Shanny needs to go. This is his team. The team needs to trade Marner and shake up this core. They aren’t going to get it done with these players. My wife isn't a sports fan. She watches many Leaf games with me. Her first comment after puck drop was how rowdy that crowd was. For Scotiabank Arena....that place was loud as hell. For an NHL playoff game when compared to Winnipeg and Edmonton? It's a clear step below. I'm with you on the end of Shanahan. How such a gritty 2 way player has allowed this team to be built with such a weak physical style while the winning teams all play heavy and hard is not excuseable this far into this core's NHL lifespan. Things should have changed at the top after losing to Columbus. It's like they are all in on analytics but NHL playoff hockey is a different style that requires stars to get their hands dirty.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 26, 2024 10:48:04 GMT -4
My wife isn't a sports fan. She watches many Leaf games with me. Her first comment after puck drop was how rowdy that crowd was. For Scotiabank Arena....that place was loud as hell. For an NHL playoff game when compared to Winnipeg and Edmonton? It's a clear step below. I'm with you on the end of Shanahan. How such a gritty 2 way player has allowed this team to be built with such a weak physical style while the winning teams all play heavy and hard is not excuseable this far into this core's NHL lifespan. Things should have changed at the top after losing to Columbus. It's like they are all in on analytics but NHL playoff hockey is a different style that requires stars to get their hands dirty. People shit on Reaves early on but he's doing a great job as a 4th line physical presence even with no fighting happening. But you need more of that in the top 6. The teams we keep losing to don't have all their sandpaper in the bottom of the lineup. Its in the top end guys. I see Matthews playing a different way. I definitely don't see a Marner doing much different.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 26, 2024 10:56:12 GMT -4
It's like they are all in on analytics but NHL playoff hockey is a different style that requires stars to get their hands dirty. People shit on Reaves early on but he's doing a great job as a 4th line physical presence even with no fighting happening. But you need more of that in the top 6. The teams we keep losing to don't have all their sandpaper in the bottom of the lineup. Its in the top end guys. I see Matthews playing a different way. I definitely don't see a Marner doing much different. Agree, it's like they think having Reaves in the line-up will suddenly make Marner play like Marchant, doesn't work that way.
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