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Post by Citris on Sept 1, 2023 12:59:33 GMT -4
To compete this year what would you do? Statsman….. you still out there…. Waiting to hear your thoughts As much as I'd also like to hear the answer to that question, this is starting to get a little confrontational. Let's not turn this into a twitter thread.
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Post by Citris on Sept 1, 2023 15:30:52 GMT -4
Something that is maybe being missed here for me is this: Comparing this roster to the one you had the same time this year is fine. Yes, it isn't a million miles away (although I would say it is significantly less deep). But the issue is, no matter how you shake it, you went and added the leagues top goalscorer and a top 3 (at least) playmaker. Two of the better players in the market. Never mind the fact that what will be available this year will be weaker than last year - it's not something you can do year-on-year. I may be wrong, but acquiring Doucet and Lawrence at that time was kind of a lightning-in-a-bottle moment. I had this team as #1 in the Q for this year at the beginning of the offseason. They are still the best in the division by a mile, but can you really count on improving the team at this deadline even more than you did the last one? This is absolutely a fair thing to question. I would respond like this - Rouyn, Drummondville and Victo are nowhere near as good as Halifax, Quebec, Sherbrooke or Gatineau was last year, and with a few exceptions, there's not a lot of talent to go out and get. Tristan Luneau is the premier add this year for any team that wants to make a deep run, he's a difference maker 100%. The Mooseheads are not going to be able to be able to win the league without giving up futures or one or more of their young guns, in my opinion. They have a 3rd this year and full banks of picks in 2025 and 2026 to work with, but I see them needing to add probably 3 solid players to compete. For me, the ideal would be making a big deal to add Sam Savoie at Christmas. I've heard he turned down a trade at the draft, but that might be an advantage for Halifax in the end, Halifax is closer to home for him than Drummondville or Royun or Victoriaville. Justin Gill is the dream up front for a 20, but prying him free from the Drakkar wouldn't be easy, and they'd likely have to be outside the top 6 for them to consider it. honestly, as long as they don't trade Gill to Drummondville I think the Mooseheads call it a win. Upgrading on Fournier, (depending on how his season goes) would be an option too... that's an entire 2nd line there. But yea, there's no way that happens without both those 1sts and 2nds, all of the 3rds and some futures. The goal for me would be to leave at least 2 of our 2004 undrafted players (Rousseau, Vidicek, Schultz) intact for next year, as well as one of Cataford or MacKinnon. 3 of those 5 kick starts a rebuild in no time. Kilfoil and Phillips are your untouchables, then you have at least 2 of Fontaine, Pietzche, Levesque and Crosby (who hopefully takes a big step forward) to actually play hockey for the Mooseheads next year, and be further trade chips down the road.
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Post by rookieq on Sept 1, 2023 17:11:50 GMT -4
Something that is maybe being missed here for me is this: Comparing this roster to the one you had the same time this year is fine. Yes, it isn't a million miles away (although I would say it is significantly less deep). But the issue is, no matter how you shake it, you went and added the leagues top goalscorer and a top 3 (at least) playmaker. Two of the better players in the market. Never mind the fact that what will be available this year will be weaker than last year - it's not something you can do year-on-year. I may be wrong, but acquiring Doucet and Lawrence at that time was kind of a lightning-in-a-bottle moment. I had this team as #1 in the Q for this year at the beginning of the offseason. They are still the best in the division by a mile, but can you really count on improving the team at this deadline even more than you did the last one? This is absolutely a fair thing to question. I would respond like this - Rouyn, Drummondville and Victo are nowhere near as good as Halifax, Quebec, Sherbrooke or Gatineau was last year, and with a few exceptions, there's not a lot of talent to go out and get. Tristan Luneau is the premier add this year for any team that wants to make a deep run, he's a difference maker 100%. The Mooseheads are not going to be able to be able to win the league without giving up futures or one or more of their young guns, in my opinion. They have a 3rd this year and full banks of picks in 2025 and 2026 to work with, but I see them needing to add probably 3 solid players to compete. For me, the ideal would be making a big deal to add Sam Savoie at Christmas. I've heard he turned down a trade at the draft, but that might be an advantage for Halifax in the end, Halifax is closer to home for him than Drummondville or Royun or Victoriaville. Justin Gill is the dream up front for a 20, but prying him free from the Drakkar wouldn't be easy, and they'd likely have to be outside the top 6 for them to consider it. honestly, as long as they don't trade Gill to Drummondville I think the Mooseheads call it a win. Upgrading on Fournier, (depending on how his season goes) would be an option too... that's an entire 2nd line there. But yea, there's no way that happens without both those 1sts and 2nds, all of the 3rds and some futures. The goal for me would be to leave at least 2 of our 2004 undrafted players (Rousseau, Vidicek, Schultz) intact for next year, as well as one of Cataford or MacKinnon. 3 of those 5 kick starts a rebuild in no time. Kilfoil and Phillips are your untouchables, then you have at least 2 of Fontaine, Pietzche, Levesque and Crosby (who hopefully takes a big step forward) to actually play hockey for the Mooseheads next year, and be further trade chips down the road. Good summary, at least someone agrees that we’re not the worst shit team with only 3 forwards and at the same time you acknowledge that we are not near close to being a championship team. We are close to being great and yes the trades or futures that you propose will likely happen and I am more than fine with it as I think this team could go for it. It would be tough to lose some 1st picks and some of the cataford, McKinnon, Vidicek or Philips as future, but no pain no gain. We will not win with our 16s, 17s even if they are very good and I will not name their names, and that includes phillips (he should be an important player, but not a top 4 if we want to win). You do not win Chmapionship in this league with young guys and we have too many of those. As a side note, Quebec had none16s, 17s last year as regular, same with Gatineau and Sherbrooke other than Gauthier at 17 which was a stud #1 Quebec pick and NHL 2nd rounder. And Gauthier was not a factor in his team even if he was regular and very solid.
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Post by themandalorian on Sept 1, 2023 20:38:34 GMT -4
Based on age and where he was drafted Whynot SHOULD HAVE been our best D last year but due to injuries, a drop off in his play and other D picking up their play he dropped down the totem pole so to speak.
Furlong was our #1 D and anyone who disputes that either didn't watch our team or is just talking out their butt.
I liked Schultz way better in a PP situation- he got pucks through and didn't shoot wristers into shin pads which is an infuriating habit to see in a D.
If I had to choose between Whynot and Moravec to come back as a 20 it would be Moravec all the way even with him eating up a 20 and Euro spot. He doesn't provide much offensively but he doesn't hurt you and I figure as a 20 this year he will provide a lot of shut down minutes.
Mackinnon was going to get way more minutes regardless this year but with Whynot gone that means Martin and Philips get to play every game as your third pairing.
I wish we had this year's D on last year's team with the added maturity physically and mentally.
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Post by Fryar on Sept 2, 2023 7:47:18 GMT -4
I understand you didn't say "this team is bad" but you did agree with that statement. Last year SJ, BB, VD, and Bathurst were bad. There's no way this team, even in it's current state, is going to perform down to those levels this year. They currently have, arguably, the best 6 D-core and starting goalie combo in the league and what could be the best line if they are placed together with Cataford/Dumais/Vidicek. Regarding the quality of 20's being down this year in the league, then that means all things are equal across the league when any team is trying to upgrade your 20 year olds. No disadvantage to any team trying to upgrade as they're all fishing in the same pool this year, so other years aren't relevant. These ridiculous statements need to stop. Halifax does not have the best D plus G. Victoriaville is significantly better and Rouyn might be better. Halifax won't bottom out but if they aren't careful, they might not win the division. I guess you don't' understand the term "arguably" but your response was argumentative about the topic...maybe you do understand it. Thanks for agreeing with me.
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Post by statsman18 on Sept 2, 2023 22:10:26 GMT -4
This is absolutely a fair thing to question. I would respond like this - Rouyn, Drummondville and Victo are nowhere near as good as Halifax, Quebec, Sherbrooke or Gatineau was last year, and with a few exceptions, there's not a lot of talent to go out and get. Tristan Luneau is the premier add this year for any team that wants to make a deep run, he's a difference maker 100%. The Mooseheads are not going to be able to be able to win the league without giving up futures or one or more of their young guns, in my opinion. They have a 3rd this year and full banks of picks in 2025 and 2026 to work with, but I see them needing to add probably 3 solid players to compete. For me, the ideal would be making a big deal to add Sam Savoie at Christmas. I've heard he turned down a trade at the draft, but that might be an advantage for Halifax in the end, Halifax is closer to home for him than Drummondville or Royun or Victoriaville. Justin Gill is the dream up front for a 20, but prying him free from the Drakkar wouldn't be easy, and they'd likely have to be outside the top 6 for them to consider it. honestly, as long as they don't trade Gill to Drummondville I think the Mooseheads call it a win. Upgrading on Fournier, (depending on how his season goes) would be an option too... that's an entire 2nd line there. But yea, there's no way that happens without both those 1sts and 2nds, all of the 3rds and some futures. The goal for me would be to leave at least 2 of our 2004 undrafted players (Rousseau, Vidicek, Schultz) intact for next year, as well as one of Cataford or MacKinnon. 3 of those 5 kick starts a rebuild in no time. Kilfoil and Phillips are your untouchables, then you have at least 2 of Fontaine, Pietzche, Levesque and Crosby (who hopefully takes a big step forward) to actually play hockey for the Mooseheads next year, and be further trade chips down the road. Good summary, at least someone agrees that we’re not the worst shit team with only 3 forwards and at the same time you acknowledge that we are not near close to being a championship team. We are close to being great and yes the trades or futures that you propose will likely happen and I am more than fine with it as I think this team could go for it. It would be tough to lose some 1st picks and some of the cataford, McKinnon, Vidicek or Philips as future, but no pain no gain. We will not win with our 16s, 17s even if they are very good and I will not name their names, and that includes phillips (he should be an important player, but not a top 4 if we want to win). You do not win Chmapionship in this league with young guys and we have too many of those. As a side note, Quebec had none16s, 17s last year as regular, same with Gatineau and Sherbrooke other than Gauthier at 17 which was a stud #1 Quebec pick and NHL 2nd rounder. And Gauthier was not a factor in his team even if he was regular and very solid. Do it think Halifax will suck?…….No. Do I think the team is a finished product?….. No! People are comparing this season and the road map to winning, to last season. The problem is it’s no the same. “Those who don’t remember the past are condemned to repeat it”. If you don’t know that quote or never heard it look it up. In this case I’m not saying because of last year I’m saying it because of our GM. Cam has an M.O. I have gone back as far as I can, and only once has he traded away a player as a future. Yes he’s brought players in but only once has he traded a player as a future and it wasn’t even for a player that contributed that season. He traded Matthew Boudreau in 2013 for a euro pick which got Ehlers. If you want to say last year and Swan was a future then we’ll say he did it twice. But does that count? Last year also Cam traded away Bobby Orr for 2 picks that help get Doucet. No one was traded for extra assets. Cam emptied the cupboards on his draft capital. I don’t know how much of an appetite he will have to dig into his future picks here. Plus there’s no 20yo in this league comparable to Lawrence….. none! Maybe a few players could be compared to Doucet but those names probably aren’t going anywhere. Gill’s name has been brought up but like other say he’s probably staying put. BC could be a top 6 or better team. Victo has great 20yo forwards but they are direct competition for top team, so that’s not happening. Who else is out there that moves the needle to make this team a championship team? Unless some one makes massive jumps, the answer is no one? IMO this team is not a championship team and I don’t think they are looking to be this year. The way they are lined up next year looks more likely. I think you’re going to see Cam add a 20 for sure but I don’t think he’s going to bargain bin shop this season. To be honest the talent isn’t there to go get anyway.
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Post by nsvees on Sept 5, 2023 9:34:54 GMT -4
I put this in another thread, but it might be more fitting for this thread:
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Post by coleminer on Sept 6, 2023 19:06:45 GMT -4
I put this in another thread, but it might be more fitting for this thread: Mutual agreement? Sure.
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Post by trueblue on Sept 6, 2023 20:21:16 GMT -4
I put this in another thread, but it might be more fitting for this thread: Mutual agreement? Sure. "We're happy to offer you a roster spot and keep you for the season as the 13F/14F... but also happy if you want to get some more ice time in Jr A - you'll be the first callup." Welsh thinks it through, chooses Truro. He's satisfied, team is satisfied.
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Post by Citris on Sept 6, 2023 21:14:31 GMT -4
Yea, this is a move that absolutely makes sense for all parties involved. Welsh can either not play at all for the Mooseheads, or play as a Truro Bearcat as a guy who has just as much a chance to play for the Mooseheads as a call-up. Easy call.
Welsh is not suited as a bottom 6 guy. He's gotta get scoring and he's not doing that as a Moosehead in 2023-24
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Post by Ns98 on Sept 6, 2023 21:50:58 GMT -4
"We're happy to offer you a roster spot and keep you for the season as the 13F/14F... but also happy if you want to get some more ice time in Jr A - you'll be the first callup." Welsh thinks it through, chooses Truro. He's satisfied, team is satisfied. he also gets a chance to play with his cousin Zach Welsh who’s playing his 20 yo season in Truro. I don’t think they’ve ever played together.
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Post by hfxfan2002 on Sept 6, 2023 22:36:13 GMT -4
More Ice time for Cade Moser to prove himself! Rough or great season it should be a fun one to watch.
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Post by Herd Fan on Sept 7, 2023 8:26:56 GMT -4
I dont think this team will be rocket science to coach. The young forwards will have a steep learning curve from now until Christmas. Ponzetto, Kilfoil, Moser will have their hands full. There will be some growing pains for sure. However, I do think the backend will be there to clean most of the mess up. I will not go as far to say they are the best D+G in the league, but I think they are up there with being the one of the best. Midgely will rely upon our backend to win games. I am really looking forward to what the lines up front will be in the next couple preseason games. Hopefully, a bit of chemistry is there right from the beginning.
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Post by hfxfan2002 on Sept 7, 2023 11:56:00 GMT -4
Has anyone been issued their ticket barcodes yet? We’re coming up on opening night in a couple weeks.
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Post by trueblue on Sept 7, 2023 12:38:54 GMT -4
Has anyone been issued their ticket barcodes yet? We’re coming up on opening night in a couple weeks. They'll be activated in your account manager on Monday.
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