|
Post by scotiahockey on Nov 20, 2023 0:04:22 GMT -4
Before I post about this scuttlebutt about the Mooseheads being about 4 superstars and a bunch of average players I am assuming the 4 superstars are Dumais, Vidicek, Cataford and Rousseau.
Okay so let's look at forwards- Fournier, Crosby and Levesque are all just under a PPG which IMO better than just average.
Okay let's look at D - Furlong and Schultz are #6 and #7 in league scoring for D out of 18 times 6 = 108 regulars playing D in the league; I would say that is way above average; Moravec is currently 16th.
I don't know the motivation as to why anyone would say the Mooseheads are 4 superstars and a bunch of average players but it isn't correct.
Okay so they’re slightly above average…but they’re not taking you anywheres in the playoffs. The #1 team in the CHL should be dominating the Isles (and many other teams) night in night out and it’s not happening. Sure they’ve won 10 straight or whatever but they were one minute away from losing to the Isles…and probably deserved to lose. I think with the way the team is constructed, health permitting and assuming they add an OA forward. If they did nothing else. They can make the final 4. They might have close games leading up to it, they may even lose in the 2nd round depending on who they play but they can get to a final 4. Would they win as constructed? Probably not but they can get you there and then who knows what happens after that. When you have elite level forwards and an elite goalie for this level, anything can happen.
|
|
|
Post by statsman18 on Nov 20, 2023 8:50:36 GMT -4
Before I post about this scuttlebutt about the Mooseheads being about 4 superstars and a bunch of average players I am assuming the 4 superstars are Dumais, Vidicek, Cataford and Rousseau.
Okay so let's look at forwards- Fournier, Crosby and Levesque are all just under a PPG which IMO better than just average.
Okay let's look at D - Furlong and Schultz are #6 and #7 in league scoring for D out of 18 times 6 = 108 regulars playing D in the league; I would say that is way above average; Moravec is currently 16th.
I don't know the motivation as to why anyone would say the Mooseheads are 4 superstars and a bunch of average players but it isn't correct.
Okay so they’re slightly above average…but they’re not taking you anywheres in the playoffs. The #1 team in the CHL should be dominating the Isles (and many other teams) night in night out and it’s not happening. Sure they’ve won 10 straight or whatever but they were one minute away from losing to the Isles…and probably deserved to lose. We are all anticipating 1 but probably 2 new 20yo that help solidify the offence. Maybe another tweak on a player that’s a middle 6 guy and the team could be the team to beat.
|
|
|
Post by Reesor on Nov 20, 2023 9:35:58 GMT -4
Before I post about this scuttlebutt about the Mooseheads being about 4 superstars and a bunch of average players I am assuming the 4 superstars are Dumais, Vidicek, Cataford and Rousseau.
Okay so let's look at forwards- Fournier, Crosby and Levesque are all just under a PPG which IMO better than just average.
Okay let's look at D - Furlong and Schultz are #6 and #7 in league scoring for D out of 18 times 6 = 108 regulars playing D in the league; I would say that is way above average; Moravec is currently 16th.
I don't know the motivation as to why anyone would say the Mooseheads are 4 superstars and a bunch of average players but it isn't correct.
Okay so they’re slightly above average…but they’re not taking you anywheres in the playoffs. The #1 team in the CHL should be dominating the Isles (and many other teams) night in night out and it’s not happening. Sure they’ve won 10 straight or whatever but they were one minute away from losing to the Isles…and probably deserved to lose. I'll debate your view in two ways: #1, Rouyn-Noranda's 4th, 5th and 6th best forwards have a combined 48 points in 60 games played (0.8 points/game). Baie-Comeau's 4th, 5th and 6th best forwards have 61 points in 64 games played (0.95 ponits/game. Halifax's 4th, 5th and 6th best forwards have 46 points in 52 games played (0.88 points/game). Halifax's 2nd line is right in the mix with the best teams in the league in offensive production, so it's really unfair to say Halifax is a one-line team. Can you argue Halifax needs size and experience on its 2nd line? Absolutely. #2, since last season, Moose fans have debated what Halifax will need this year, and almost every single person has agreed they need some more production deep in their lineup to be a true contender. Not one person has stated they think Halifax will win a championship with its current lineup. Also, which contender has won a championship without making any trades during the season? It's not like the trades aren't happening. This isn't the finished product. Taking pot shots after an Isles loss to Halifax stating things like Halifax is a one-line team and they aren't taking you anyways in the playoffs, without at least discussing a trade scenario or going into detail on what you think Halifax should do... it just comes off as sour grapes. Charlottetown is an extremely well-run franchise that has a lot of good young talent. There's no reason for any sort of bitterness. Edit: I see you've been responded to by a lot of people with a lot of good points. Not meaning to pile on or anything, but myself personally I'm a fan of good criticism and good discussion. If you were on these boards 10+ years ago you'd see a lot of trolling and a lot of posting just to invoke negativity, and I like how these boards have evolved.
|
|
|
Post by Reesor on Nov 20, 2023 9:41:45 GMT -4
This weekend was no Picasso painting but Halifax got the job done. We as a collective know what Halifax needs to go deep and it's just a matter of time before some pieces fall into place. The next few weeks will be tough without some depth in the lineup and there will be some tough losses thrown in. But we've said it all year, patience is key. This week against Baie-Comeau, Moncton and Cape Breton will be a good test of the resolve. All three teams will be looking to make a statement against Halifax and it's up to the leaders on the Moose to stay consistent and find a way to beat what these good teams will be throwing at them.
|
|
|
Post by Citris on Nov 20, 2023 15:49:34 GMT -4
Halifax is the most underrated overrated team of all time
|
|
|
Post by bois on Nov 20, 2023 20:36:22 GMT -4
Halifax is the most underrated overrated team of all time or maybe they are the most overrated underrated team of all time
|
|
rookieq
Blue-Chip Prospect
Posts: 301
|
Post by rookieq on Nov 20, 2023 22:00:35 GMT -4
Halifax is the most underrated overrated team of all time or maybe they are the most overrated underrated team of all time They are ranked #1 in the CHL, so they cannot be higher than that at all, so they cannot be “underrated” in any scenario above:) I think that right now before trade period, they are the most overrated overrated team ever, lol With 2-3 trades for strong 19-20 years old that would include a complete 2nd line with some grits ans size, they will be at the right place, a legit Championship team, but before that I will say that they are overrated.
|
|
|
Post by Citris on Nov 20, 2023 23:20:24 GMT -4
or maybe they are the most overrated underrated team of all time They are ranked #1 in the CHL, so they cannot be higher than that at all, so they cannot be “underrated” in any scenario above:) I think that right now before trade period, they are the most overrated overrated team ever, lol With 2-3 trades for strong 19-20 years old that would include a complete 2nd line with some grits ans size, they will be at the right place, a legit Championship team, but before that I will say that they are overrated. And yet all everyone talks about on here... including myself at times, is how shallow the team is and how top-heavy it is, and they're not actually that good etc... yet they keep winning. I think #1 in the CHL is probably too generous, but like, they're definitely a better team than people give them credit for.
|
|
|
Post by L'il Boy on Nov 21, 2023 7:07:33 GMT -4
They are ranked #1 in the CHL, so they cannot be higher than that at all, so they cannot be “underrated” in any scenario above:) I think that right now before trade period, they are the most overrated overrated team ever, lol With 2-3 trades for strong 19-20 years old that would include a complete 2nd line with some grits ans size, they will be at the right place, a legit Championship team, but before that I will say that they are overrated. And yet all everyone talks about on here... including myself at times, is how shallow the team is and how top-heavy it is, and they're not actually that good etc... yet they keep winning. I think #1 in the CHL is probably too generous, but like, they're definitely a better team than people give them credit for. I, for one, think they are definitely the best team in the Q, top heavy or not. I just find it odd that a team with as much firepower as the Mooseheads can only muster 15 and 18 shots in a game against a lower team than them.
|
|
|
Post by howitzer on Nov 21, 2023 7:18:08 GMT -4
And yet all everyone talks about on here... including myself at times, is how shallow the team is and how top-heavy it is, and they're not actually that good etc... yet they keep winning. I think #1 in the CHL is probably too generous, but like, they're definitely a better team than people give them credit for. I, for one, think they are definitely the best team in the Q, top heavy or not. I just find it odd that a team with as much firepower as the Mooseheads can only muster 15 and 18 shots in a game against a lower team than them. Because it's 1 line getting 90% of the shots. But because they're so elite and efficient, they win the game for you. There is no way to defend them. They can create on their own, but if you turn the puck over, forget it.
|
|
|
Post by elementz on Nov 21, 2023 9:43:45 GMT -4
And yet all everyone talks about on here... including myself at times, is how shallow the team is and how top-heavy it is, and they're not actually that good etc... yet they keep winning. I think #1 in the CHL is probably too generous, but like, they're definitely a better team than people give them credit for. I, for one, think they are definitely the best team in the Q, top heavy or not. I just find it odd that a team with as much firepower as the Mooseheads can only muster 15 and 18 shots in a game against a lower team than them. Classic example of teams playing down to their inferior opponents. It happens. Not all teams/players are 100% on every night.
|
|
|
Post by Agent10 on Nov 21, 2023 11:17:33 GMT -4
Before I post about this scuttlebutt about the Mooseheads being about 4 superstars and a bunch of average players I am assuming the 4 superstars are Dumais, Vidicek, Cataford and Rousseau.
Okay so let's look at forwards- Fournier, Crosby and Levesque are all just under a PPG which IMO better than just average.
Okay let's look at D - Furlong and Schultz are #6 and #7 in league scoring for D out of 18 times 6 = 108 regulars playing D in the league; I would say that is way above average; Moravec is currently 16th.
I don't know the motivation as to why anyone would say the Mooseheads are 4 superstars and a bunch of average players but it isn't correct.
Okay so they’re slightly above average…but they’re not taking you anywheres in the playoffs. It's November. They're 14 and 4 and on a 10-game win streak.
|
|
|
Post by L'il Boy on Nov 21, 2023 11:27:13 GMT -4
I, for one, think they are definitely the best team in the Q, top heavy or not. I just find it odd that a team with as much firepower as the Mooseheads can only muster 15 and 18 shots in a game against a lower team than them. Because it's 1 line getting 90% of the shots. But because they're so elite and efficient, they win the game for you. There is no way to defend them. They can create on their own, but if you turn the puck over, forget it. That makes no sense. On October 27th, the Cataford\Vidicek\Dumais had 7 shots on goal between them. The rest of the Moose had 8 SOG. On November 17th, that line had 8 of 21 total shots, one of which was in OT. I'm not saying that's a bad thing....that line doesn't need a lot of chances to score. They proved that by winning 6-2 with only 15 SOG. What I am saying is that the number of shots would be a concern if I was a coach.
|
|
|
Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 21, 2023 11:29:41 GMT -4
Before I post about this scuttlebutt about the Mooseheads being about 4 superstars and a bunch of average players I am assuming the 4 superstars are Dumais, Vidicek, Cataford and Rousseau.
Okay so let's look at forwards- Fournier, Crosby and Levesque are all just under a PPG which IMO better than just average.
Okay let's look at D - Furlong and Schultz are #6 and #7 in league scoring for D out of 18 times 6 = 108 regulars playing D in the league; I would say that is way above average; Moravec is currently 16th.
I don't know the motivation as to why anyone would say the Mooseheads are 4 superstars and a bunch of average players but it isn't correct.
Okay so they’re slightly above average…but they’re not taking you anywheres in the playoffs. The #1 team in the CHL should be dominating the Isles (and many other teams) night in night out and it’s not happening. Sure they’ve won 10 straight or whatever but they were one minute away from losing to the Isles…and probably deserved to lose. Define anywhere. Halifax could have an easy walk to the final 4 if they keep winning at an 80% clip. As I see it all the talk of adding is for that final 4. To strengthen the team when its in a 7 game series vs the other top teams. You're coming off as if they need a heart transplant to do anything like they're hanging out with CB and Chicoutimi around .500. And mostly all because of 1 close game. Every single year we see elite teams plays down to their competition at every level of the sport. Its a common thing. But how often do Q teams have the experience and cohesion that a Halifax does thanks to having a proper rebuild leading to an almost entirely homegrown and developed team? That's a reason they're doing so well with kids in key roles....their focus is on developing those kids now not finding mediocre vets to play ahead of them like other teams have done. And now the focus is on adding elite vets to complement the other pieces as the peak to their cycle. Where other teams will recycle the average vets with new average vets.
|
|
|
Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 21, 2023 11:31:23 GMT -4
Because it's 1 line getting 90% of the shots. But because they're so elite and efficient, they win the game for you. There is no way to defend them. They can create on their own, but if you turn the puck over, forget it. That makes no sense. On October 27th, the Cataford\Vidicek\Dumais had 7 shots on goal between them. The rest of the Moose had 8 SOG. On November 17th, that line had 8 of 21 total shots, one of which was in OT. I'm not saying that's a bad thing....that line doesn't need a lot of chances to score. They proved that by winning 6-2 with only 15 SOG. What I am saying is that the number of shots would be a concern if I was a coach. But is it a habit? Are they regularly winning with 15 SOG or was it a 1 off? If you're a coach your concern is consistency...good and bad. Winning every night is good. Winning every night with 15 SOG would be a concern. Winning every night with 1 of them being a night with 15 SOG....not even worth a second thought.
|
|