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Post by JEagle on Feb 28, 2024 21:28:24 GMT -4
Things really went downhill since that BC-Chi-Rim road trip 3-6-1 now in their last 10 after tonight's game in Halifax.
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 29, 2024 9:18:02 GMT -4
Things really went downhill since that BC-Chi-Rim road trip 3-6-1 now in their last 10 after tonight's game in Halifax. Right around the time they decided Connor Shortall was a better forward than a defenseman. We miss his 15-17 mins of ice time back there, hard mins, tough mins. Last night the Eagles registered 11 hits, 2 of which came from our D. Shortall averages over 3 hits a game, 90% of those are in the D zone. Getting in on for F-Check and throwing hits 200' from your own net may create the odd turnover, Connor Shortall keeps the other teams forward honest in our end of the rink. Trying to get my head around this, something tells me the move has a lot to do with getting Cibulka more mins as well.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 29, 2024 9:43:17 GMT -4
Things really went downhill since that BC-Chi-Rim road trip 3-6-1 now in their last 10 after tonight's game in Halifax. Right around the time they decided Connor Shortall was a better forward than a defenseman. We miss his 15-17 mins of ice time back there, hard mins, tough mins. Last night the Eagles registered 11 hits, 2 of which came from our D. Shortall averages over 3 hits a game, 90% of those are in the D zone. Getting in on for F-Check and throwing hits 200' from your own net may create the odd turnover, Connor Shortall keeps the other teams forward honest in our end of the rink. Trying to get my head around this, something tells me the move has a lot to do with getting Cibulka more mins as well. The idea of having a solid D 1 through 6 makes sense until the pieces you've acquired don't really complete the puzzle. Cibulka made sense as an offensive defenceman we lacked. We have Schmitt who can move the puck but isn't really a traditional PP QB. But Cibulka hasn't really fit that role. He's been ok. But far from a dominant offensive defenceman. So that suddenly means you're kind of back to square 1. You need to get Lavoie ice time. Schmitt is solidified in the top 4. Biggar is an overager who can eat top 4 minutes. Daigle is 18 and also needs ice time. We have Desjardins eating up the ice time scraps. And Shortall on that 3rd pairing. Bringing in Cibulka meant Desjardins gets no ice time. Unless you scratch Shortall. But with the issues up front you give Shortall some ice time. Reality is that we probably should have moved Shortall or Biggar if bringing in Cibulka because the structure of the D meant we paid 2 2nd rounders to create a roster scenario of no ice time left for the youngest D to play and did it in a season where we're mid pack and not a contender.
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Post by hal on Feb 29, 2024 11:17:50 GMT -4
Johnny did you envision Lavoie as the #1 Defenceman doing anything and everything by now .......when they took him 1st Overall ? ......because I did , my logic was 1st Overall , taken over a Generational Goaltender ( so called at that time ) and a Big Time Midget Goal Scorer ....that he would be Top 4 at 16 ....then the PP QB and the Unquestioned #1 Guy at 17 . Now having said that he is a very very good Defenceman ...... just a notch or two from what I projected .
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Post by emerz on Feb 29, 2024 12:17:12 GMT -4
Johnny did you envision Lavoie as the #1 Defenceman doing anything and everything by now .......when they took him 1st Overall ? ......because I did , my logic was 1st Overall , taken over a Generational Goaltender ( so called at that time ) and a Big Time Midget Goal Scorer ....that he would be Top 4 at 16 ....then the PP QB and the Unquestioned #1 Guy at 17 . Now having said that he is a very very good Defenceman ...... just a notch or two from what I projected . Personally I'd never take a defenseman or goalie 1st overall unless they were a sure thing, Lavoie has never been a sure thing even in his draft year he was closer to a 1st overall project than an instant dominant force on the ice. That's just my own philosophy, you win in junior with guys who can break the game wide open and score a couple goals when you really need them. The MacKinnons, Drouins, Manthas, Svechnikovs even. Not to say Lavoie isn't a solid player, he just isn't a dominant player (yet) and you hope he can be in his 18 and 19 year old seasons.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 29, 2024 13:29:16 GMT -4
Johnny did you envision Lavoie as the #1 Defenceman doing anything and everything by now .......when they took him 1st Overall ? ......because I did , my logic was 1st Overall , taken over a Generational Goaltender ( so called at that time ) and a Big Time Midget Goal Scorer ....that he would be Top 4 at 16 ....then the PP QB and the Unquestioned #1 Guy at 17 . Now having said that he is a very very good Defenceman ...... just a notch or two from what I projected . Here's what I would say to that: I don't follow QMJHL prospects so leading into drafts i'm relying on the opinion of others on who is ranked where. So my initial comparison basically came from Sly who defended most of his moves to get older as justified because this kid was going to be good enough to win with at 17 like Dobson was for him. He literally used Dobson's name in the comparison he made to that has made me watch for that type of player ever since. I haven't seen that impact. I haven't even seen enough to be confident his ceiling is that of a 19yr old WJHC player for Canada. So I've expected more. But there's still so much time that saying he's a disappointment wouldn't be quite accurate. There's clearly a good pro prospect there.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Feb 29, 2024 14:24:34 GMT -4
Johnny did you envision Lavoie as the #1 Defenceman doing anything and everything by now .......when they took him 1st Overall ? ......because I did , my logic was 1st Overall , taken over a Generational Goaltender ( so called at that time ) and a Big Time Midget Goal Scorer ....that he would be Top 4 at 16 ....then the PP QB and the Unquestioned #1 Guy at 17 . Now having said that he is a very very good Defenceman ...... just a notch or two from what I projected . Personally I'd never take a defenseman or goalie 1st overall unless they were a sure thing, Lavoie has never been a sure thing even in his draft year he was closer to a 1st overall project than an instant dominant force on the ice. That's just my own philosophy, you win in junior with guys who can break the game wide open and score a couple goals when you really need them. The MacKinnons, Drouins, Manthas, Svechnikovs even. Not to say Lavoie isn't a solid player, he just isn't a dominant player (yet) and you hope he can be in his 18 and 19 year old seasons. I mostly agree with the exception being that an elite offensive D might be the most valuable position in the sport when the players talent level is high enough. We just rarely if ever see 15yr old D with that level of talent...especially in this part of the country.
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Post by fanofthegame on Mar 1, 2024 13:04:31 GMT -4
Was Lavoie drafted to be a PP QB? Or is it because he was taken #1 overall that he automatically should fill that role?
On his recent trip to Montreal as part of the NHL prospect event, Que hockey reporters were comparing him to David Savard, which I can see as well.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Mar 1, 2024 20:36:50 GMT -4
Was Lavoie drafted to be a PP QB? Or is it because he was taken #1 overall that he automatically should fill that role? On his recent trip to Montreal as part of the NHL prospect event, Que hockey reporters were comparing him to David Savard, which I can see as well. Considering how the game is played in this era if you are picking a defenceman #1 overall in junior hockey don't you have to expect them to grow into a top pairing all situation player including being a part of the #1 PP at 17/18/19? I think the perspective missing here is that all thats really being said about Lavoie is that he lacks a dynamic most people thought they'd see out of a #1 pick. Everyone agrees he has poise beyond his years and stands out within his age group. But #1 means you're looking for some other qualities the rest of his draft must not have and we just haven't seen that level of talent yet. No "wow" factor. I would also say at the same time though that he could also be a solid summer in the gym and nutrition wise after being drafted and attending an NHL camp from being the best D in the Q in October.
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Post by JEagle on Mar 2, 2024 19:30:35 GMT -4
2-1 Moncton with five minutes left in the 1st period.
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Post by JEagle on Mar 2, 2024 19:56:50 GMT -4
Romeo's 5 minute major for interference.
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Post by sherwood1020 on Mar 2, 2024 20:21:05 GMT -4
Romeo's 5 minute major for interference. Deleted my original comment after seeing Sumpf touching the Puck for a split second before the hit. If he wasn't near the play I think a major + game is justified, but that doesn't seem to be the case here. Looks to me like someone finishing a check, don't like that call whatsoever.
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Post by JEagle on Mar 2, 2024 20:30:59 GMT -4
Romeo's 5 minute major for interference. Deleted my original comment after seeing Sumpf touching the Puck for a split second before the hit. If he wasn't near the play I think a major + game is justified, but that doesn't seem to be the case here. Looks to me like someone finishing a check, don't like that call whatsoever. My personal opinion after watching it a couple of times at regular and 0.5x speed it's definitely a penalty but I don't agree with the major and a game misconduct. Edit: I'd love to hear the refs reasoning for the 5 and a game decision.
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Post by sherwood1020 on Mar 2, 2024 20:34:26 GMT -4
Deleted my original comment after seeing Sumpf touching the Puck for a split second before the hit. If he wasn't near the play I think a major + game is justified, but that doesn't seem to be the case here. Looks to me like someone finishing a check, don't like that call whatsoever. My personal opinion after watching it a couple of times at regular and 0.5x speed it's definitely a penalty but I don't agree with the major and a game misconduct. I would definitely not make much of a complaint if it was a Minor for interference, kind of 50/50 at the discretion of the ref. But 5 and a game is just crazy. There is no reason to be down a skater from a bad call like that.
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Post by JEagle on Mar 2, 2024 20:41:45 GMT -4
My personal opinion after watching it a couple of times at regular and 0.5x speed it's definitely a penalty but I don't agree with the major and a game misconduct. I would definitely not make much of a complaint if it was a Minor for interference, kind of 50/50 at the discretion of the ref. But 5 and a game is just crazy. There is no reason to be down a skater from a bad call like that. I agree.
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