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Post by bois on Apr 24, 2024 9:42:22 GMT -4
really doesnt matter after the fact who was or wasn't in the car
the Halifax streets should be safe from Jordan Dumais driving on them ever again now
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Post by Citris on Apr 24, 2024 11:06:28 GMT -4
really doesnt matter after the fact who was or wasn't in the car the Halifax streets should be safe from Jordan Dumais driving on them ever again now I don't think that's something we need to worry about at this point.
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Post by fabi1309 on Apr 25, 2024 19:39:27 GMT -4
How did this thread digress from the coaching search to Dumais driving drunk?
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Post by sherwood1020 on Apr 25, 2024 20:43:04 GMT -4
How did this thread digress from the coaching search to Dumais driving drunk? Because every topic of mooseheads conversation over the next 12 months will inevitability devolve into DUImais chatter.
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Post by moosefan1994 on Apr 26, 2024 8:29:13 GMT -4
Actually sooner or later, providing the Mooseheads actually do the correct thing and initiate a true rebuild, Moose Talk will be full of other teams fans saying that our assets to be traded aren’t worth that much.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 26, 2024 8:41:39 GMT -4
Actually sooner or later, providing the Mooseheads actually do the correct thing and initiate a true rebuild, Moose Talk will be full of other teams fans saying that our assets to be traded aren’t worth that much. Probably because there will be an entire segment of the fan base who will think every player on the team is worth the top youth and picks and futures from contending teams.
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Post by moosefan1994 on Apr 26, 2024 8:52:59 GMT -4
Actually sooner or later, providing the Mooseheads actually do the correct thing and initiate a true rebuild, Moose Talk will be full of other teams fans saying that our assets to be traded aren’t worth that much. Probably because there will be an entire segment of the fan base who will think every player on the team is worth the top youth and picks and futures from contending teams. There will be some value inflation by some, that there is no doubt, but I will say this… Cataford will be worth more than Sammy Savoie was when you take into account that this is a Memorial Cup year and the fact that he will be the best 19 year old FW available, Ethan Gauthier being a close second.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 26, 2024 9:02:56 GMT -4
Probably because there will be an entire segment of the fan base who will think every player on the team is worth the top youth and picks and futures from contending teams. There will be some value inflation by some, that there is no doubt, but I will say this… Cataford will be worth more than Sammy Savoie was when you take into account that this is a Memorial Cup year and the fact that he will be the best 19 year old FW available, Ethan Gauthier being a close second. And nobody has argued anything against that other than maybe putting Gauthier as the #1 target. Both guys should command a haul in return. Should and could are the only thing we can say though. Who knows what will happen over the next few months. Its just a weak strawman argument to make when there's been absolutely no type of debate even similar to what you're saying with "out of towners" shitting on your assets for next year.
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Post by Briwhel on Apr 26, 2024 9:12:32 GMT -4
There will be some value inflation by some, that there is no doubt, but I will say this… Cataford will be worth more than Sammy Savoie was when you take into account that this is a Memorial Cup year and the fact that he will be the best 19 year old FW available, Ethan Gauthier being a close second. And nobody has argued anything against that other than maybe putting Gauthier as the #1 target. Both guys should command a haul in return. Should and could are the only thing we can say though. Who knows what will happen over the next few months. Its just a weak strawman argument to make when there's been absolutely no type of debate even similar to what you're saying with "out of towners" shitting on your assets for next year. Going one step further, Rousseau is likely the best goalie in the league next year and his age should only slightly diminish his value. Vidicek is a quality OA. He might even be the best OA in the league given that he's a quality C on top of his ability. I'd have Cataford at 2 behind Gauthier (like Jack said), but that's still a quality player in a Memorial Cup year. Where you'll see debate is the players below that. MacKinnon might get a haul at Christmas, but he'd need to elevate his game another step between now and then. Schultz did nice things last year, but we'll see what type of player he is with less insulation. Basically, the top 3 are easy to say that they are very good and every one are wait and see guys. If the wait and see guys take the jumps that Halifax needs them to, this could get awkward because Halifax could be higher in the standings than expected.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 26, 2024 9:25:17 GMT -4
And nobody has argued anything against that other than maybe putting Gauthier as the #1 target. Both guys should command a haul in return. Should and could are the only thing we can say though. Who knows what will happen over the next few months. Its just a weak strawman argument to make when there's been absolutely no type of debate even similar to what you're saying with "out of towners" shitting on your assets for next year. Going one step further, Rousseau is likely the best goalie in the league next year and his age should only slightly diminish his value. Vidicek is a quality OA. He might even be the best OA in the league given that he's a quality C on top of his ability. I'd have Cataford at 2 behind Gauthier (like Jack said), but that's still a quality player in a Memorial Cup year. Where you'll see debate is the players below that. MacKinnon might get a haul at Christmas, but he'd need to elevate his game another step between now and then. Schultz did nice things last year, but we'll see what type of player he is with less insulation. Basically, the top 3 are easy to say that they are very good and every one are wait and see guys. If the wait and see guys take the jumps that Halifax needs them to, this could get awkward because Halifax could be higher in the standings than expected. Sounds like MacKinnon and Vidicek are already headed to Moncton. Which just adds more to how silly it is to cry about people saying your players won't have value. 2 of the biggest pieces are rumored to already been moved.
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Post by moosefan1994 on Apr 26, 2024 9:27:24 GMT -4
And nobody has argued anything against that other than maybe putting Gauthier as the #1 target. Both guys should command a haul in return. Should and could are the only thing we can say though. Who knows what will happen over the next few months. Its just a weak strawman argument to make when there's been absolutely no type of debate even similar to what you're saying with "out of towners" shitting on your assets for next year. Going one step further, Rousseau is likely the best goalie in the league next year and his age should only slightly diminish his value. Vidicek is a quality OA. He might even be the best OA in the league given that he's a quality C on top of his ability. I'd have Cataford at 2 behind Gauthier (like Jack said), but that's still a quality player in a Memorial Cup year. Where you'll see debate is the players below that. MacKinnon might get a haul at Christmas, but he'd need to elevate his game another step between now and then. Schultz did nice things last year, but we'll see what type of player he is with less insulation. Basically, the top 3 are easy to say that they are very good and every one are wait and see guys. If the wait and see guys take the jumps that Halifax needs them to, this could get awkward because Halifax could be higher in the standings than expected. There is the issue- the Mooseheads have their 2025 1st round pick so there is no need to delay trading guys.
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Post by jimmy on Apr 26, 2024 9:28:13 GMT -4
Going one step further, Rousseau is likely the best goalie in the league next year and his age should only slightly diminish his value. Vidicek is a quality OA. He might even be the best OA in the league given that he's a quality C on top of his ability. I'd have Cataford at 2 behind Gauthier (like Jack said), but that's still a quality player in a Memorial Cup year. Where you'll see debate is the players below that. MacKinnon might get a haul at Christmas, but he'd need to elevate his game another step between now and then. Schultz did nice things last year, but we'll see what type of player he is with less insulation. Basically, the top 3 are easy to say that they are very good and every one are wait and see guys. If the wait and see guys take the jumps that Halifax needs them to, this could get awkward because Halifax could be higher in the standings than expected. Sounds like MacKinnon and Vidicek are already headed to Moncton. Which just adds more to how silly it is to cry about people saying your players won't have value. 2 of the biggest pieces are rumored to already been moved. I think moving a couple of guys at the draft could help the remaining guys add trade value as they will be thrust into bigger roles in the first half.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Apr 26, 2024 9:37:48 GMT -4
Sounds like MacKinnon and Vidicek are already headed to Moncton. Which just adds more to how silly it is to cry about people saying your players won't have value. 2 of the biggest pieces are rumored to already been moved. I think moving a couple of guys at the draft could help the remaining guys add trade value as they will be thrust into bigger roles in the first half. Absolutely. It makes sense to make moves early. Especially when injuries can throw a wrench into plans the longer you wait.
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Post by jimmy on Apr 26, 2024 9:42:26 GMT -4
I think moving a couple of guys at the draft could help the remaining guys add trade value as they will be thrust into bigger roles in the first half. Absolutely. It makes sense to make moves early. Especially when injuries can throw a wrench into plans the longer you wait. For example moving MacKinnon at the draft, potentially allows a guy like Jack Martin to play a bigger role in the first half … Martin is one of those under the radar guys … I could see him having a big first half and suddenly being coveted at the deadline.
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Post by Briwhel on Apr 26, 2024 9:45:26 GMT -4
I think a SJ/CB/Halifax 3 way deal could make sense. Assuming Cataford gets Lapierre value,
that would be something like:
8 + one of SJ's 2025 1sts + 2025 2nd?
Then SJ could flip Cataford to CB in a deal for 1st overall.
Conversely, SJ could offer 2 1sts next year and a 2nd next year (so that Halifax can stock year 1 picks for the rebuild).
Edit: It's a weird situation where CB has quality (that doesn't fit Halifax's needs), SJ has quantity and fit for Halifax, but CB is holding some things that fit SJ better.
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