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Post by pong on Jul 15, 2008 5:55:10 GMT -4
Anybody else heard the "other" reason they parted company(tied to the reason he got blackballed after Buffalo)? I'm not going to repeat it,so don't PM me,just wondering if anybody else had heard the rumour and whether they thought it was crap or not...
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Post by 1fan on Jul 15, 2008 8:23:15 GMT -4
Anybody else heard the "other" reason they parted company(tied to the reason he got blackballed after Buffalo)? I'm not going to repeat it,so don't PM me,just wondering if anybody else had heard the rumour and whether they thought it was crap or not... Teddy isn't the first coach to get fired now is he...spare the speculation. Keep in mind that the newbie GM was hired after Teddy was hired by then GM Neil Smith. None of this is suprising. Differences in philosophy exist everywhere...if Garth Snow had hired the coach, there would be less chance that they would differ on philosophy. He would have hired someone who is like minded. People should treat Teddy the same as all other coaches that get fired every year. Let's hope he's in the the circle of 35 qualified coaches that get recyled every year to another team.
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Post by IslandersHKY on Jul 15, 2008 12:13:16 GMT -4
The "Philosphical Differences" given by the NY Islanders was a difference in opinion over:
1. Goaltender rotation 2. Ice time for younger vs older players 3. Whether the Islanders had the right players in place
As previously mentioned GM's like to choose their coach and in this case Snow didn't have that opportunity so was only a matter of time.
Interesting to see how long or if Nolan gets another opportunity.
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Post by Penguins23® on Jul 20, 2008 11:06:41 GMT -4
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Post by Jack Bauer on Jul 20, 2008 13:05:43 GMT -4
Anybody else heard the "other" reason they parted company(tied to the reason he got blackballed after Buffalo)? I'm not going to repeat it,so don't PM me,just wondering if anybody else had heard the rumour and whether they thought it was crap or not... Teddy isn't the first coach to get fired now is he...spare the speculation. Keep in mind that the newbie GM was hired after Teddy was hired by then GM Neil Smith. None of this is suprising. Differences in philosophy exist everywhere...if Garth Snow had hired the coach, there would be less chance that they would differ on philosophy. He would have hired someone who is like minded. People should treat Teddy the same as all other coaches that get fired every year. Let's hope he's in the the circle of 35 qualified coaches that get recyled every year to another team. Nobody's going to keep hiring a guy who has a history if ending up on bad terms with his GM. In Buffalo he was caught going behind his GM's back. In Long Island he refused to give the youngsters the ice time Snow wanted them to recieve. Nolan would be better off buying a CHL team and running it himself rather then trying to fight what will always be a losing battle in the NHL in my opinion. Hell it took the worst owner in the last decade or so to actually bring him back after what he pulled in Buffalo.
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Post by Sébastien on Jul 20, 2008 13:36:36 GMT -4
Maybe someone somewhere would be willing to give him a coaching/GM gig somewhere? Something Pat Quinn had in TO, Sutter in Calgary, etc.
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Post by pong on Jul 20, 2008 20:42:58 GMT -4
Interesting article. No mention of the fact that rookie GM Snow fu**ed up with his first 4 free agent offer sheets last summer-his offers weren't even close to what other teams were offering. Perhaps the beginning of the rift was the incompetence of the rookie GM in gauging market value and costing the team potential talent.
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Post by notin on Jul 21, 2008 7:45:22 GMT -4
Interesting article. No mention of the fact that rookie GM Snow fu**ed up with his first 4 free agent offer sheets last summer-his offers weren't even close to what other teams were offering. Perhaps the beginning of the rift was the incompetence of the rookie GM in gauging market value and costing the team potential talent. Well put!
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Post by qfan on Jul 21, 2008 13:30:02 GMT -4
Very easy to blame the coach when a team isn't making the playoffs. It kinda covers the GM's but.
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Post by bois on Jul 21, 2008 13:57:36 GMT -4
By the sounds of it he wouldn't play the young kids and yet he still managed to piss the veteran leaders off..... all the while talking behind backs and trying to place blame elsewhere... some things never change I guess
If he'd just stick to coaching and let management handle itself he'd be alot better off
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 21, 2008 14:29:24 GMT -4
By the sounds of it he wouldn't play the young kids and yet he still managed to piss the veteran leaders off..... all the while talking behind backs and trying to place blame elsewhere... some things never change I guess If he'd just stick to coaching and let management handle itself he'd be alot better off The veterans were happy...it was the GM that wasn't. It was Snow telling Nolan which players to play, not Nolan telling Snow how to do the GM's job. If you look at what the Islanders lost and added after the 06-07 season, it was obvious they had no chance at the playoffs...yet they were 8th at the break before DiPietro got hurt.
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Post by jimmy on Jul 21, 2008 14:59:31 GMT -4
By the sounds of it he wouldn't play the young kids and yet he still managed to piss the veteran leaders off..... all the while talking behind backs and trying to place blame elsewhere... some things never change I guess If he'd just stick to coaching and let management handle itself he'd be alot better off The veterans were happy...it was the GM that wasn't. It was Snow telling Nolan which players to play, not Nolan telling Snow how to do the GM's job. If you look at what the Islanders lost and added after the 06-07 season, it was obvious they had no chance at the playoffs...yet they were 8th at the break before DiPietro got hurt. My take is that there may have been a few players who had problems with Nolan (and vice versa) - I suspect Satan was one of them, Yashin probably another ... Nolan expects a certain work ethic out of his players, and does not reward those who don't live up to his expectations. Perhaps Snow would rather cultivate a culture whereby slackers get rewarded ... would explain the philosophical differences . Nolan seems like the kind of guy who coaches to win every single night with the cards he is dealt ... if that means playing some marginal vets ahead of a more promising young player, he does it ... if that means yanking a high priced prima donna off a scoring line and giving his icetime to a hard working grinder he does it ... The problem with the Isles is that their skilled players were not overly good (by NHL standards) - most of them were castoffs from other teams either due to age, work ethic, injury problems, etc. The second problem is that their young players, IMO, are not overly promising ... they represent for the vast majority an underachieving crew who have not yet lived up to their draft status, and may never do so. These two factors make it easier for any head coach to cut their ice time in favour of guys who are perceived as marginal vets, but who buy into the coach's system, especially if the coach feels he doesn't have good job security and needs to win now.
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Post by bois on Jul 21, 2008 15:30:50 GMT -4
Yashin wasn't even on the team last year.. kinda hard to lay blame on him for the rift that apparently developed last season
I'm just going by what was being reported that some veteran players went to wang with Nolan issues.... if i'm guessing it's guys like Satan, Berard, Comrie, Guerin, Fedotenko etc.. since that's the only vets the Isles even had
you Moncton fans get so defensive when a Nolan situation arises.. it's never Teddy's fault... bottomline is you can treat kids like kids and it might work.. but treating adults like kids sometimes doesn't work so well
Nolan should stick to teaching and coaching the kids .. be it major junior or tier 2 or whatever
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Post by SteveUL on Jul 21, 2008 15:32:28 GMT -4
Gotta love this line ... A person close to one top player accused Nolan of "mismanaging his assets." The person added, "Various people on the team caught Ted Nolan in outright falsehoods." I believe they are referring to the words of DiPietro's garbage man.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jul 21, 2008 15:39:45 GMT -4
Yashin wasn't even on the team last year.. kinda hard to lay blame on him for the rift that apparently developed last season I'm just going by what was being reported that some veteran players went to wang with Nolan issues.... if i'm guessing it's guys like Satan, Berard, Comrie, Guerin, Fedotenko etc.. since that's the only vets the Isles even had you Moncton fans get so defensive when a Nolan situation arises.. it's never Teddy's fault... bottomline is you can treat kids like kids and it might work.. but treating adults like kids sometimes doesn't work so well Nolan should stick to teaching and coaching the kids .. be it major junior or tier 2 or whatever From what I read the veteran players were happy with Nolan, the issue was Snow wanting certain young players to play more and Nolan wanting them to earn more ice time instead of just having it given to them. Where did you read about the veterans going to Wang? It's pretty hard for him to stick F.Nielsen or Collition on the 1st or 2nd line when they are not even dominating in the AHL.
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