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Post by MikeC on Jul 22, 2008 2:50:04 GMT -4
Yashin wasn't even on the team last year.. kinda hard to lay blame on him for the rift that apparently developed last season I'm just going by what was being reported that some veteran players went to wang with Nolan issues.... if i'm guessing it's guys like Satan, Berard, Comrie, Guerin, Fedotenko etc.. since that's the only vets the Isles even had you Moncton fans get so defensive when a Nolan situation arises.. it's never Teddy's fault... bottomline is you can treat kids like kids and it might work.. but treating adults like kids sometimes doesn't work so well Nolan should stick to teaching and coaching the kids .. be it major junior or tier 2 or whatever From what I read the veteran players were happy with Nolan, the issue was Snow wanting certain young players to play more and Nolan wanting them to earn more ice time instead of just having it given to them. Where did you read about the veterans going to Wang? Right here: A confrontation between Nolan and one player led to a sitdown with Snow and owner Charles Wang in which Nolan denied saying his coaching decisions were influenced by the owner, leading to a loss of credibility with everyone involvedI guess it must have been Bruno Gervais upset about his icetime??? And here: The problem was that the coach conveyed that attitude about a talent deficit and lost the trust of some key team leaders.It was right in the friggin article? \
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Post by mikeb on Jul 22, 2008 7:47:07 GMT -4
It would seem that between some things that Nolan did/said and Snow's ability to manage and maintain a consistent direction in his management of the team, it was just a bad situation. It would appear that neither side can claim to have taken the high road.
When Nolan went to NYI, didn't anyone suspect that he was heading into a bad situation. NYI is the poster child for a dysfunctional team. Hard to stay afloat there. How many other teams have hired their backup goalie as the team's General Manager?
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Post by SteveUL on Jul 22, 2008 7:54:20 GMT -4
It would seem that between some things that Nolan did/said and Snow's ability to manage and maintain a consistent direction in his management of the team, it was just a bad situation. It would appear that neither side can claim to have taken the high road. When Nolan went to NYI, didn't anyone suspect that he was heading into a bad situation. NYI is the poster child for a dysfunctional team. Hard to stay afloat there. How many other teams have hired their backup goalie as the team's General Manager? Toronto was considering Glen Healey at one point ... but that just helps your arguement.
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Post by SteveUL on Jul 22, 2008 8:11:14 GMT -4
From what I read the veteran players were happy with Nolan, the issue was Snow wanting certain young players to play more and Nolan wanting them to earn more ice time instead of just having it given to them. Where did you read about the veterans going to Wang? Right here: A confrontation between Nolan and one player led to a sitdown with Snow and owner Charles Wang in which Nolan denied saying his coaching decisions were influenced by the owner, leading to a loss of credibility with everyone involvedI guess it must have been Bruno Gervais upset about his icetime??? And here: The problem was that the coach conveyed that attitude about a talent deficit and lost the trust of some key team leaders.It was right in the friggin article? \ While I agree that it is written right there ... that article seems to stink of PR spin from the NYI front office. Funny that no actual names appear in the article ... no quotes from anybody other than a person close to one of the players.
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Post by jimmy on Jul 22, 2008 11:55:29 GMT -4
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Post by timsdoubledouble on Jul 23, 2008 18:23:29 GMT -4
It's 7 PM and nobody's mentioned Stephane Paquette's article in today's L'Acadie Nouvelle Amongst other things, he mentioned that Ted had received a firm offer from the Russian superleague
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Post by Sébastien on Jul 23, 2008 18:41:15 GMT -4
Anyone has a link or something to the article alluded to by timsdoubledouble? It sounds interesting.
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Post by timsdoubledouble on Jul 23, 2008 19:18:52 GMT -4
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Post by catnut on Jul 23, 2008 20:08:25 GMT -4
"at least, for the time being"
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Post by Sébastien on Jul 23, 2008 20:14:02 GMT -4
Thank you! I have to say I have absolutely no expectation to see Nolan behind Moncton's bench next year or for a couple of years yet even. Honestly, I'm not 100% sure if I would want him. Of course he's an awesome coach, but he would also need the "Director of hockey operations" job I think, and although it is true that the circumstances were quite unique, I was not all that impressed by the results on the GM side. Flynn on the other hand, although I have asked many questions about his coaching (specially roster managing), he has answered most of the questions so far with the right answers and has done an excellent job as GM IMO. If it comes down to Flynn or Nolan, I'm not too sure I'd want to change.
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Post by catnut on Jul 23, 2008 20:29:08 GMT -4
You have to remember that Nolan was not negotiating from a position of strength. As Memorial Cup host, other GM's were seeing him coming from miles.
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Post by Sébastien on Jul 23, 2008 21:29:28 GMT -4
You have to remember that Nolan was not negotiating from a position of strength. As Memorial Cup host, other GM's were seeing him coming from miles. I'm totally aware of that, that's why I mention a "unique situation" (I know it's not unique, but wtv, you understand). I mean, it's hard to judge. He'll probably be better then Torchetti on that front, who burned assets (Goyens and Lincourt, although Lincourt did very well in the 7 game playoff against Halifax IMO). Unless we have a reason to let Flynn go, I don't think it would be a great idea to let him go simply to hire Nolan. I just really like what Flynn is doing with the team so far and I think he deserves his chance at heading an organization with his own philosophy. It's only been one season, and we did miss the playoffs, but I think there's more positive then negative that can be taken out of that season as far as the future is concerned.
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Post by catnut on Jul 23, 2008 21:54:47 GMT -4
You have to remember that Nolan was not negotiating from a position of strength. As Memorial Cup host, other GM's were seeing him coming from miles. I'm totally aware of that, that's why I mention a "unique situation" (I know it's not unique, but wtv, you understand). I mean, it's hard to judge. He'll probably be better then Torchetti on that front, who burned assets (Goyens and Lincourt, although Lincourt did very well in the 7 game playoff against Halifax IMO). Unless we have a reason to let Flynn go, I don't think it would be a great idea to let him go simply to hire Nolan. I just really like what Flynn is doing with the team so far and I think he deserves his chance at heading an organization with his own philosophy. It's only been one season, and we did miss the playoffs, but I think there's more positive then negative that can be taken out of that season as far as the future is concerned. I agree with that take. As GM, I have been very pleased with Flynn's work. I was just saying that it is hard to gauge Nolan as a GM since he was in a win at all cost situation and paid those costs.
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Post by IslandersHKY on Jul 24, 2008 8:12:11 GMT -4
If the two really do enjoy working together then it could be a good situation for both.
Let Flynn be assistant coach but take the lead on trades and such and let Nolan be the head coach and have significant input into any moves made.
The only way this wouldn't work well is if Nolan wants full control over everything.
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