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Post by jimmy on Aug 27, 2008 7:52:04 GMT -4
As per this mornings T & T:
- 20 year old situation is settled, only Eagles, Sill and Biduke are invited to camp, the others are being shopped for possible trades
- Biduke has apparently shown up in great shape, down 15 pounds from the end of last season
- Flynn issues a public warning to some vets, saying that there are lots of talented draft picks and free agents looking for roster spots, and several returning players coming off 5 and 10 goal seasons who need to show up to camp ready or else they will be cut.
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Post by 1fan on Aug 27, 2008 8:04:50 GMT -4
As per this mornings T & T: - 20 year old situation is settled, only Eagles, Sill and Biduke are invited to camp, the others are being shopped for possible trades - Biduke has apparently shown up in great shape, down 15 pounds from the end of last season - Flynn issues a public warning to some vets, saying that there are lots of talented draft picks and free agents looking for roster spots, and several returning players coming off 5 and 10 goal seasons who need to show up to camp ready or else they will be cut. No real suprises here....more depth at the back end...makes sense to keep JB. It also makes sense that several returning players will be on their way out because reinforcements have arrived, by simple numbers a few vets won't keep their spots.
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Post by Dalkiel on Aug 27, 2008 8:56:45 GMT -4
As per this mornings T & T: - 20 year old situation is settled, only Eagles, Sill and Biduke are invited to camp, the others are being shopped for possible trades - Biduke has apparently shown up in great shape, down 15 pounds from the end of last season - Flynn issues a public warning to some vets, saying that there are lots of talented draft picks and free agents looking for roster spots, and several returning players coming off 5 and 10 goal seasons who need to show up to camp ready or else they will be cut. I think your last statement would be directed to Brenton, Lessard and Cameron
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Post by jimmy on Aug 27, 2008 9:17:42 GMT -4
As per this mornings T & T: - 20 year old situation is settled, only Eagles, Sill and Biduke are invited to camp, the others are being shopped for possible trades - Biduke has apparently shown up in great shape, down 15 pounds from the end of last season - Flynn issues a public warning to some vets, saying that there are lots of talented draft picks and free agents looking for roster spots, and several returning players coming off 5 and 10 goal seasons who need to show up to camp ready or else they will be cut. I think your last statement would be directed to Brenton, Lessard and Cameron I would also add Stephens ... I would tend to think Lessard and Cameron are safe, unless they really shit the bed over the summer and/or somehow manage to piss off Flynn in the next couple of weeks. I could see us being a team similar to the Mooseheads a couple of years ago, where plenty of deadweight up front ends up getting moved out at Xmas for picks and the team actually improves in the second half as the younger players seize the increased ice time.
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Post by wild1 on Aug 27, 2008 9:19:24 GMT -4
Brenton in Particular, pretty much a 4th line energy player or maybe a 3rd line role on a weaker team but, the Cats have many younger players that can easily fill that role, so I would suspect Brenton to be the first to be dealt for a pick. As for the other 20's, I could see Eastman fetching a mid round pick maybe a 4th, but Herr I can't see too many teams giving up much for him, he will probably end up playing Junior A somewhere.
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Post by SteveUL on Aug 27, 2008 9:38:11 GMT -4
I think your last statement would be directed to Brenton, Lessard and Cameron I would also add Stephens ... I would tend to think Lessard and Cameron are safe, unless they really shit the bed over the summer and/or somehow manage to piss off Flynn in the next couple of weeks. I could see us being a team similar to the Mooseheads a couple of years ago, where plenty of deadweight up front ends up getting moved out at Xmas for picks and the team actually improves in the second half as the younger players seize the increased ice time. I doubt he was targetting Stephens with that comment ... he barely dressed before Xmas and even in the 2nd half he didn't get regular icetime ... makes it tough to score goals. Lessard and Cameron had regular icetime and were very disappointing ... as did Brannon ... Brenton had less than regular icetime but dressed for most games. But Brenton's role was not a scoring role either. Stephens was Flynn's project and I doubt he is being called out. However that is not to say that he can't be bumped from the roster if he doesn't show improvement. Brenton could fill the role that Morehouse vacated ... almost identical style of play ... but Brenton lacks the shitdisturbing edge that Morehouse had. Lessard is also a good fit on the crash and bang line. I don't think there is room for both Lessard and Brenton in the top 9 forwards ... and there is no place for them in the bottom 3. Brannon brings a consistent physical presence and was a big part of our best line last year. But there is no doubt in my mind that Flynn is calling him out ... however I don't think he is anywhere close to being cut/traded. Cameron is really on the bubble. He won't get cut out of training camp but could easily be traded. Last season he was brutal and made very poor passes far too often. He is our best faceoff guy statistically but just a 50% guy ... not great ... and I really don't think he is suited to be a center and might be better as a winger. Our top line needs a better center handling the puck and feeding the wingers ... and that might be where Brown lands this year. I'm not a big Cameron fan ... a talented kid that was very frustrating to watch last year ... he lacks intensity and is poor with the puck in traffic. I'd be happy to see him traded off ... and of course he'd probably excel somewhere else.
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Post by bjindaho on Aug 27, 2008 9:42:33 GMT -4
Brenton in Particular, pretty much a 4th line energy player or maybe a 3rd line role on a weaker team but, the Cats have many younger players that can easily fill that role, so I would suspect Brenton to be the first to be dealt for a pick. As for the other 20's, I could see Eastman fetching a mid round pick maybe a 4th, but Herr I can't see too many teams giving up much for him, he will probably end up playing Junior A somewhere. Looking at this from the other side, why would anyone give up assets for Brenton when he is being pushed out of the lineup on a team with less-than-stellar forwards (at least this year)...also, if you cut him, said team could then grab him in the waiver draft for free... He's a year too old to be worth anything decent, IMO
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Post by SteveUL on Aug 27, 2008 9:49:03 GMT -4
Brenton in Particular, pretty much a 4th line energy player or maybe a 3rd line role on a weaker team but, the Cats have many younger players that can easily fill that role, so I would suspect Brenton to be the first to be dealt for a pick. As for the other 20's, I could see Eastman fetching a mid round pick maybe a 4th, but Herr I can't see too many teams giving up much for him, he will probably end up playing Junior A somewhere. Looking at this from the other side, why would anyone give up assets for Brenton when he is being pushed out of the lineup on a team with less-than-stellar forwards (at least this year)...also, if you cut him, said team could then grab him in the waiver draft for free... He's a year too old to be worth anything decent, IMO Well ... if you are SJ and were looking for a checking forward ... you probably won't get Brenton off waivers as he'd likley be snapped up before SJ was in line to get him. Several rebuilding teams will be looking for bodies to fill out a roster and and so he'll likely land somewhere ... but if he is traded it will probably be to a more competitive team for a 6th or 7th. I'm not suggesting SJ would want him ... just an example of why he might get traded before he goes on waivers. He also has the option of remaining on the Wildcats protected list as an AP and playing Jr A ... he doesn't have to go on waivers if he'd rather stay with the Wildcats. I think Pictou owns his rights and I'm sure the Commandos would look to aquire him.
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Post by bjindaho on Aug 27, 2008 10:00:14 GMT -4
I thought he HAD to clear waivers to become an AP...also, if Saint John really wanted him, they could offer something low to one of the bottom teams to make a claim then trade him...
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Post by Dalkiel on Aug 27, 2008 10:03:23 GMT -4
I would also add Stephens ... I would tend to think Lessard and Cameron are safe, unless they really shit the bed over the summer and/or somehow manage to piss off Flynn in the next couple of weeks. I could see us being a team similar to the Mooseheads a couple of years ago, where plenty of deadweight up front ends up getting moved out at Xmas for picks and the team actually improves in the second half as the younger players seize the increased ice time. I doubt he was targetting Stephens with that comment ... he barely dressed before Xmas and even in the 2nd half he didn't get regular icetime ... makes it tough to score goals. Lessard and Cameron had regular icetime and were very disappointing ... as did Brannon ... Brenton had less than regular icetime but dressed for most games. But Brenton's role was not a scoring role either. Stephens was Flynn's project and I doubt he is being called out. However that is not to say that he can't be bumped from the roster if he doesn't show improvement. Brenton could fill the role that Morehouse vacated ... almost identical style of play ... but Brenton lacks the shitdisturbing edge that Morehouse had. Lessard is also a good fit on the crash and bang line. I don't think there is room for both Lessard and Brenton in the top 9 forwards ... and there is no place for them in the bottom 3. Brannon brings a consistent physical presence and was a big part of our best line last year. But there is no doubt in my mind that Flynn is calling him out ... however I don't think he is anywhere close to being cut/traded. Cameron is really on the bubble. He won't get cut out of training camp but could easily be traded. Last season he was brutal and made very poor passes far too often. He is our best faceoff guy statistically but just a 50% guy ... not great ... and I really don't think he is suited to be a center and might be better as a winger. Our top line needs a better center handling the puck and feeding the wingers ... and that might be where Brown lands this year. I'm not a big Cameron fan ... a talented kid that was very frustrating to watch last year ... he lacks intensity and is poor with the puck in traffic. I'd be happy to see him traded off ... and of course he'd probably excel somewhere else. I have absolutly no idea how you can compare Brenton to Moorehouse, other than size there doesn't seem to be any similarities, but I'm sure you'll point out a few. Brenton could never take the punishment that Chris could, Brenton could never put up 15 goals like Chris did for 2 years in a row and Brenton sure as hell doesn't have the heart that Chris does. Don't get me wrong, Moorehouse is anything but an elite Q player but I would never compare Brenton to Moorehouse
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Post by SteveUL on Aug 27, 2008 10:07:51 GMT -4
I thought he HAD to clear waivers to become an AP...also, if Saint John really wanted him, they could offer something low to one of the bottom teams to make a claim then trade him... I'm pretty sure it is up to the player on waivers. Every year there are few guys cut that are 19 that never go on waivers ... and stay on protected lists. That waiver and trade plan could work if the waiver date is before Sept 2 ... but trading period closes Sept 2 and I think waivers will occur closer to the opening of the regular season.
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Post by bjindaho on Aug 27, 2008 10:17:02 GMT -4
I thought it happened on the last day of trades...crap, it actually happens AT THE END OF THE TRADING PERIOD IN AUGUST, so I guess that means September 3rd.
So, Brenton COULD be affiliated, but why would he accept that if he didn't have to...he may get picked in the draft (which is real messed up this year because somebody at the league forgot to change the rules, so technically there is supposed to be a draft on both September 2nd AND September 3rd (the 2nd and 1st in the rule book respectively).
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Post by SteveUL on Aug 27, 2008 10:17:25 GMT -4
I doubt he was targetting Stephens with that comment ... he barely dressed before Xmas and even in the 2nd half he didn't get regular icetime ... makes it tough to score goals. Lessard and Cameron had regular icetime and were very disappointing ... as did Brannon ... Brenton had less than regular icetime but dressed for most games. But Brenton's role was not a scoring role either. Stephens was Flynn's project and I doubt he is being called out. However that is not to say that he can't be bumped from the roster if he doesn't show improvement. Brenton could fill the role that Morehouse vacated ... almost identical style of play ... but Brenton lacks the shitdisturbing edge that Morehouse had. Lessard is also a good fit on the crash and bang line. I don't think there is room for both Lessard and Brenton in the top 9 forwards ... and there is no place for them in the bottom 3. Brannon brings a consistent physical presence and was a big part of our best line last year. But there is no doubt in my mind that Flynn is calling him out ... however I don't think he is anywhere close to being cut/traded. Cameron is really on the bubble. He won't get cut out of training camp but could easily be traded. Last season he was brutal and made very poor passes far too often. He is our best faceoff guy statistically but just a 50% guy ... not great ... and I really don't think he is suited to be a center and might be better as a winger. Our top line needs a better center handling the puck and feeding the wingers ... and that might be where Brown lands this year. I'm not a big Cameron fan ... a talented kid that was very frustrating to watch last year ... he lacks intensity and is poor with the puck in traffic. I'd be happy to see him traded off ... and of course he'd probably excel somewhere else. I have absolutly no idea how you can compare Brenton to Moorehouse, other than size there doesn't seem to be any similarities, but I'm sure you'll point out a few. Brenton could never take the punishment that Chris could, Brenton could never put up 15 goals like Chris did for 2 years in a row and Brenton sure as hell doesn't have the heart that Chris does. Don't get me wrong, Moorehouse is anything but an elite Q player but I would never compare Brenton to Moorehouse Really ? to me ... Brenton and Morehouse are the identical player ... physically identical in size, skating style, effort ... but Morehouse had the crazy edge that Brenton does not have ... and that made him more valuable. Brenton had 6 goals as an 18 YO getting 4th line ice time while Morehouse got 16 as a 20 YO playing close to 30 mins a game with veteran players. I think Brenton could probably get closer to 16 with Morehouse's ice time and being a year older. I'm not saying Brenton could play just as well as Morehouse ... Morehouse was unique in his intensity and playing style ... but Brenton brings similar skills to that line in speed and work ethic. I think Lessard is probably a better fit physically though on that line but he lacks the intensity and work ethic that is needed on that line. I don't see a spot for Lessard or Brenton if it is not on that Sill/Brannon line. Are you suggesting Brenton lacks heart ? I think that is Brenton's biggest asset ... he works his butt off every shift.
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Post by bjindaho on Aug 27, 2008 10:20:03 GMT -4
his skating would make him a good candidate for a checking line...the question is whether or not he'll buy into facing opponents' top lines night in and night out...
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Post by Dalkiel on Aug 27, 2008 10:22:14 GMT -4
I have absolutly no idea how you can compare Brenton to Moorehouse, other than size there doesn't seem to be any similarities, but I'm sure you'll point out a few. Brenton could never take the punishment that Chris could, Brenton could never put up 15 goals like Chris did for 2 years in a row and Brenton sure as hell doesn't have the heart that Chris does. Don't get me wrong, Moorehouse is anything but an elite Q player but I would never compare Brenton to Moorehouse Really ? to me ... Brenton and Morehouse are the identical player ... physically identical in size, skating style, effort ... but Morehouse had the crazy edge that Brenton does not have ... and that made him more valuable. Brenton had 6 goals as an 18 YO getting 4th line ice time while Morehouse got 16 as a 20 YO playing close to 30 mins a game with veteran players. I think Brenton could probably get closer to 16 with Morehouse's ice time and being a year older. I'm not saying Brenton could play just as well as Morehouse ... Morehouse was unique in his intensity and playing style ... but Brenton brings similar skills to that line in speed and work ethic. I think Lessard is probably a better fit physically though on that line but he lacks the intensity and work ethic that is needed on that line. I don't see a spot for Lessard or Brenton if it is not on that Sill/Brannon line. Are you suggesting Brenton lacks heart ? I think that is Brenton's biggest asset ... he works his butt off every shift. No, I'm not suggesting Brenton lacks heart, he just doesn't have what Moorehouse did, I'm sure we can agree to that. If Moorehouse had 1/4 of the breakaways that Brenton did, Moorehouse I'm sure would be a 30 g scorer.
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