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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 4, 2008 9:33:32 GMT -4
I think after last year and with Morehouse gone we need a a few more physical players. Noseworthy would fit that spot....But we also could not put the puck in the net...So they have a tough call to make....Hopefully Sash Molotkov might also fit that spot...But he has time against him.. I think they are trying to find the right mix of kids with offense, guys who play physical and guys that are good defensively and PK. Those are the type of players that are #10-20 right now on the depth chart, now it's a matter of finding the right mix from 10-15.
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Post by mikeb on Sept 4, 2008 9:52:24 GMT -4
Sad day when a kid seems to be too old at the age of 18 to be making a team? Is it rare for 18 year olds to make a Q team? Not rare at all ... it just depends on what stage of building a team is in. A team that spends all its assets in a go for it year will often add 18 YO FA's the following year to fill holes with very few drafted players coming in. Querry's problem is that he isn't better than many of the 16, 17 YO forwards ... he isn't worse ... but those kids can give the team an additional year or two of service. So it's just wiser to invest icetime in the younger kids for the long term development of the team. Querry has to really make himself noticeable out there ... with big hits ... creating offense ... nifty moves ... gritty play .... blocking shots ... dropping the gloves (and actually being able to fight) ... but Querry just isn't doing any of that and so he is just blending in rather than standing out. He has had a decent camp ... did nothing wrong ... just hasn't stood out. Querry might have a had a better chance of making teams like Bathurst and Halifax, teams that lost several forwards from last year and have holes to fill. I remember looking for him in the game in Bathurst and never once saw him. He was invisible even if you kept half an eye out for the guy. As an 18YO he had to be like Vince Couture was for the Titan in that game and not like Senecal (both 18YO). Couture was a standout in that game and Senecal more visible than Querry but not impactful. Result is that Couture is still with the team and Senecal is gone. And Querry wouldn't make the Bathurst team. Our 18YO stand out more than him. And so do our 17YO. I can't think of one 17YO still on the team that I would cut to replace him with the invisible man. If the Titan don't need Senecal, then they certainly don't need Querry.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 4, 2008 10:08:41 GMT -4
Not rare at all ... it just depends on what stage of building a team is in. A team that spends all its assets in a go for it year will often add 18 YO FA's the following year to fill holes with very few drafted players coming in. Querry's problem is that he isn't better than many of the 16, 17 YO forwards ... he isn't worse ... but those kids can give the team an additional year or two of service. So it's just wiser to invest icetime in the younger kids for the long term development of the team. Querry has to really make himself noticeable out there ... with big hits ... creating offense ... nifty moves ... gritty play .... blocking shots ... dropping the gloves (and actually being able to fight) ... but Querry just isn't doing any of that and so he is just blending in rather than standing out. He has had a decent camp ... did nothing wrong ... just hasn't stood out. Querry might have a had a better chance of making teams like Bathurst and Halifax, teams that lost several forwards from last year and have holes to fill. I remember looking for him in the game in Bathurst and never once saw him. He was invisible even if you kept half an eye out for the guy. As an 18YO he had to be like Vince Couture was for the Titan in that game and not like Senecal (both 18YO). Couture was a standout in that game and Senecal more visible than Querry but not impactful. Result is that Couture is still with the team and Senecal is gone. And Querry wouldn't make the Bathurst team. Our 18YO stand out more than him. And so do our 17YO. I can't think of one 17YO still on the team that I would cut to replace him with the invisible man. If the Titan don't need Senecal, then they certainly don't need Querry. The part you seem to be missing is that for certain roles, the coach is looking for players that are strong defensively(and on PK) and not very noticeable. Querry and Petterson are the type of players(like a stay at home d-man) that do their job when you don't notice them. If the player is a skill guy or a banger, obviously they need to be more noticeable than the next guy.
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Post by gongshow on Sept 4, 2008 10:30:27 GMT -4
I remember looking for him in the game in Bathurst and never once saw him. He was invisible even if you kept half an eye out for the guy. As an 18YO he had to be like Vince Couture was for the Titan in that game and not like Senecal (both 18YO). Couture was a standout in that game and Senecal more visible than Querry but not impactful. Result is that Couture is still with the team and Senecal is gone. And Querry wouldn't make the Bathurst team. Our 18YO stand out more than him. And so do our 17YO. I can't think of one 17YO still on the team that I would cut to replace him with the invisible man. If the Titan don't need Senecal, then they certainly don't need Querry. The part you seem to be missing is that for certain roles, the coach is looking for players that are strong defensively(and on PK) and not very noticeable. Querry and Petterson are the type of players(like a stay at home d-man) that do their job when you don't notice them. If the player is a skill guy or a banger, obviously they need to be more noticeable than the next guy. What you say makes sense but you can't have a team full of grinders either....Sill,Brannon,Lessard,Noseworthy,Roski,Petterson,Querry and Lane are all grinders(well except Lane but he definitely doesn't fit into any other category)...there has to be a happy medium and IMO the Cats have too many "defense" first forwards...you can't win too many games with 2 full lines of grinders/shutdown guys...another problem is that they have too many guys who are supposed to be offensive players (Stephens,Cameron)that aren't .Plus guys like Fomin are unproven...he could easily be a flop(especially from being from Belarus ). I think they should really look hard at keeping a few young naturally gifted offensive players like a Tremblay instead of a Querry/Noseworthy type guy.Grinders are alot easier to find as FA's than naturally talented goal scorers are. If I was making the call I would either try to move a Lessard type
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Post by Optimus Reim on Sept 4, 2008 10:38:01 GMT -4
I don't really classify Pettersson as a grinder. Doesn't have the size but he is solid defensively and put up decent numbers in MAAA so he does have some offensive punch. How much offensive success he has in the Q will depend on linemates and his role IMO. I like Noseworthys intensity and hard skating style. He is a very good forechecker, he put pressure on the Dogs D and created some opportunities. I was hoping to see a few more heavy hits from him but I think that will come.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Sept 4, 2008 11:04:28 GMT -4
The part you seem to be missing is that for certain roles, the coach is looking for players that are strong defensively(and on PK) and not very noticeable. Querry and Petterson are the type of players(like a stay at home d-man) that do their job when you don't notice them. If the player is a skill guy or a banger, obviously they need to be more noticeable than the next guy. What you say makes sense but you can't have a team full of grinders either....Sill,Brannon,Lessard,Noseworthy,Roski,Petterson,Querry and Lane are all grinders(well except Lane but he definitely doesn't fit into any other category)...there has to be a happy medium and IMO the Cats have too many "defense" first forwards...you can't win too many games with 2 full lines of grinders/shutdown guys...another problem is that they have too many guys who are supposed to be offensive players (Stephens,Cameron)that aren't .Plus guys like Fomin are unproven...he could easily be a flop(especially from being from Belarus ). I think they should really look hard at keeping a few young naturally gifted offensive players like a Tremblay instead of a Querry/Noseworthy type guy.Grinders are alot easier to find as FA's than naturally talented goal scorers are. If I was making the call I would either try to move a Lessard type Cameron is an offensive player, he just had a bit of a disapointing year. If he steps up with a 60-70 point season like he is capable of, nobody will remember last year. In terms of grinders, Lessard, Sill Brannon could all be gone in a year, so you need a few other guys with size that play physical in the system and among your 14-15 forwards. That's where I see Roski and Noseworthy long term. The future in terms of skill guys is pretty good, Bissonnette has high upside as do MacAusland and Brown. Fomin is supposed to be a high end offensive guy. Stevens I'm not sold on. Tremblay I think has to be in the conversation about next year, the question is, would he be better served here as a #13-14 or playing 1st line in MAAA. I think either Querry or Petterson will make it, not both.
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Post by hockey1981 on Sept 6, 2008 7:07:46 GMT -4
according the T & T
13 forwards are on the team as of right now, with 2 more that's gonna be picked before sunday's deadline. The 13 are..
Jesse Biduke- 20 Matthew Bissonnette- 16 Scott Brannon- 19 Matt Brown- 17 Randy Cameron- 19 Matt Eagles- 20 Pierre-Marc Lessard- 19 Devon MacAusland- 17 Andrew Roski- 17 Zach Sill- 20 Ted Stephens- 18 Alexander Famin - 18 Daniel Pettersson- 18
with 2 spots available for 7 players.
Tremblay Querry Milson Noseworthy Fortune Lane Molotkov
I predict final 2 sports will be Tremblay & Lane or Molotkov
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Post by hockey1981 on Sept 6, 2008 8:02:38 GMT -4
kinda surprised they assigned Downe to Midget Canadiens in Fredericton. Now Cats left with 7 D's
Barberio Savard Jodoin Bell Gormley Dimitruk Boyle
Who knows when/if Voynov will be here, kinda shocks me that assigned Downe with Barberio leaving later this month for NHL Training Camp so leaves us with 6 D's then unless they call Downe back up then or if injury.
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Post by SteveUL on Sept 6, 2008 8:03:19 GMT -4
The T&T also reported that Patrick Downe has been sent back to his MAAA team in Fredericton. He had a very good camp but I agree with this decision ... we are very deep on the blue line. Next year he will likely be a lock ... and may even see some callup time after Xmas.
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Post by El Guapo }~ on Sept 6, 2008 9:03:00 GMT -4
The T&T also reported that Patrick Downe has been sent back to his MAAA team in Fredericton. He had a very good camp but I agree with this decision ... we are very deep on the blue line. Next year he will likely be a lock ... and may even see some callup time after Xmas. The wording in the T & T led me to beleive that it was a personal decision to return to AAA. I don't have the paper in front of me but something along the lines that if it had beed last year Flynn would have insisted he remain with the team.
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Post by hockey1981 on Sept 6, 2008 10:29:03 GMT -4
I think Downe will see time with team when Barberio goes to NHL Training Camp. When Barberio's back then he'll return to Midget IMO
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Post by SteveUL on Sept 6, 2008 10:34:40 GMT -4
I think Downe will see time with team when Barberio goes to NHL Training Camp. When Barberio's back then he'll return to Midget IMO He is gone now ... so I think he will not be back unless we have injuries.
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Post by hockey1981 on Sept 6, 2008 10:35:05 GMT -4
I Heard Cats cut 2 players earlier today, so 5 guys battling for 2 spots.
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Post by crashthenet on Sept 6, 2008 14:15:50 GMT -4
Noseworthy cut as well as Querry I think.
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Post by SteveUL on Sept 6, 2008 14:17:00 GMT -4
Noseworthy cut as well as Querry I think. Probably the right moves if true. Good kids but not quite there.
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