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Post by P-O on Oct 22, 2008 23:31:25 GMT -4
what i find a little disappointing is the amount of ice time BISSONNETTE is getting, he is a 16 yr old like GORMLEY, you need to play him for him to develop, sitting him will only hurt his confidence, in my opinion he is our best guy on the power play that can handle the puck, he needs to play with a couple of good players so he can develop like GORMLEY playing with BARBERIO, same goes for DOMINGUE he needs to play to develop! these guys will bring you the mem cup!!! I agree with you. Bissonnette looked dangerous everytime he was on the ice. As for Domingue, if he is to have 10 start, send him back to midget AAA. Riopel is playing too good tho...to stay on the bench.
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Post by Sébastien on Oct 22, 2008 23:57:39 GMT -4
As far as Riopel-Domingue goes, I have absolutely no problem with what has been going on so far.
The Wildcats have had a very generous schedule so far, with games relatively spread out. Also, I have no doubt that Domingue has needed some quality practice time with Bergevin-Jean to polish his game.
As the season goes on, as the schedule becomes more crowded and the Wildcats have a couple more trips in La Belle Province, Domingue will surely see some added playing time.
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Post by forrest on Oct 23, 2008 7:21:12 GMT -4
I was impressed with Famin getting 2 goals and the first time with limited ice time. His second goal was a beauty. I hope he starts getting more ice time and that he comes back next year. I think he will be an impact player.
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 23, 2008 7:54:23 GMT -4
what i find a little disappointing is the amount of ice time BISSONNETTE is getting, he is a 16 yr old like GORMLEY, you need to play him for him to develop, sitting him will only hurt his confidence, in my opinion he is our best guy on the power play that can handle the puck, he needs to play with a couple of good players so he can develop like GORMLEY playing with BARBERIO, same goes for DOMINGUE he needs to play to develop! these guys will bring you the mem cup!!! Bissonnette gets more icetime than most 16 YOs we have ever had. He gets plenty of icetime for him to develop and he is already showing improvement in his defensive game and his confidence. Flynn pretty much rolled 4 lines last night ... everybody played quite a bit.
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Post by Penguins23® on Oct 23, 2008 7:55:43 GMT -4
I was impressed with Famin getting 2 goals and the first time with limited ice time. His second goal was a beauty. I hope he starts getting more ice time and that he comes back next year. I think he will be an impact player. When I saw him out there with Bisonnette I called I said "Famin is scoring a goal tonight" I was right for the most part but I didn't predict 2 goals.
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Post by tal on Oct 23, 2008 8:00:17 GMT -4
I really don't like how if a coach points upstairs then the ref automaticaly goes upstairs. I sat right behind Martel tonight and with that scrum in the 3rd when they went upstairs there is nothing that I saw from his angle that would even hint of a goal. My suggestion would be something on the lines of if a coach wants to challenge it then fine, if he is right then nothing but if he is incorrect on his challenge then a penalty. Patty Roy did that on a regular basis a few years ago and I thought something would have been done then. I believe the rule is that a coach is allowed 2 reviews that do not overturn the decision on the ice. I recall Patrick Roy losing it during one game when the ref refused to go upstairs because Roy had already had his 2 requests that game. (If a review does change the call, the review does not count towards the coach's allowed 2). Maybe someone can confirm or correct me if I'm wrong (memory is not what it once was).
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 23, 2008 8:18:02 GMT -4
what i find a little disappointing is the amount of ice time BISSONNETTE is getting, he is a 16 yr old like GORMLEY, you need to play him for him to develop, sitting him will only hurt his confidence, in my opinion he is our best guy on the power play that can handle the puck, he needs to play with a couple of good players so he can develop like GORMLEY playing with BARBERIO, same goes for DOMINGUE he needs to play to develop! these guys will bring you the mem cup!!! Not every 16 year old is as advanced as GORMLEY, BISSONNETTE plays more than most 16 year olds, he is on the 2nd PP which most of them are not. DOMINGUE plays behind the best goalie in the Q RIOPEL so he'll get his 15-20 starts. You don't win MEM CUPS with 16 year olds.
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Post by HockeyAngel17 on Oct 23, 2008 8:33:33 GMT -4
I really don't like how if a coach points upstairs then the ref automaticaly goes upstairs. I sat right behind Martel tonight and with that scrum in the 3rd when they went upstairs there is nothing that I saw from his angle that would even hint of a goal. My suggestion would be something on the lines of if a coach wants to challenge it then fine, if he is right then nothing but if he is incorrect on his challenge then a penalty. Patty Roy did that on a regular basis a few years ago and I thought something would have been done then. I believe the rule is that a coach is allowed 2 reviews that do not overturn the decision on the ice. I recall Patrick Roy losing it during one game when the ref refused to go upstairs because Roy had already had his 2 requests that game. (If a review does change the call, the review does not count towards the coach's allowed 2). Maybe someone can confirm or correct me if I'm wrong (memory is not what it once was). I think the rule is one review a period per coach.. but im not 100% sure. And i think the game your referring too (for ROY) is the last playoff game in OT when we won the prez cup. He had already used up his review and the ref didnt want to review the goal.
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Post by sec21critic on Oct 23, 2008 8:49:52 GMT -4
I believe the rule is that a coach is allowed 2 reviews that do not overturn the decision on the ice. I recall Patrick Roy losing it during one game when the ref refused to go upstairs because Roy had already had his 2 requests that game. (If a review does change the call, the review does not count towards the coach's allowed 2). Maybe someone can confirm or correct me if I'm wrong (memory is not what it once was). I think the rule is one review a period per coach.. but im not 100% sure. And i think the game your referring too (for ROY) is the last playoff game in OT when we won the prez cup. He had already used up his review and the ref didnt want to review the goal. That game didn't go to OT... four others did (three of them Moncton wins)... but not that one. But yes, that was the game... and if I recall correctly, the shot he DID get checked was a routine save by Tordjman. He most likely used that review as a way of getting a timeout without actually taking it. The one he was denied a review on could very well have gone in.
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 23, 2008 8:58:30 GMT -4
I really don't like how if a coach points upstairs then the ref automaticaly goes upstairs. I sat right behind Martel tonight and with that scrum in the 3rd when they went upstairs there is nothing that I saw from his angle that would even hint of a goal. My suggestion would be something on the lines of if a coach wants to challenge it then fine, if he is right then nothing but if he is incorrect on his challenge then a penalty. Patty Roy did that on a regular basis a few years ago and I thought something would have been done then. I believe the rule is that a coach is allowed 2 reviews that do not overturn the decision on the ice. I recall Patrick Roy losing it during one game when the ref refused to go upstairs because Roy had already had his 2 requests that game. (If a review does change the call, the review does not count towards the coach's allowed 2). Maybe someone can confirm or correct me if I'm wrong (memory is not what it once was). I think they took the limit of reviews off. It is simply up to the Referee's discretion now if he feels it should be reviewed. If a Coach asks for a review the Ref does not have to oblige. But if the Ref isn't sure ... he might as well have a look. I'd rather that the Ref have a look at everything that is close or questionable ... than ignore something he was sure was not in ... but find out it should have been a goal. Reviews don't take very long anymore ... and the Refs usually know what is going on when a Coach asks for a review on something that clearly was not in. Most reviews are done because the Ref wants to have a look ... not a request from one of the benches.
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Post by joepuck on Oct 23, 2008 11:09:40 GMT -4
what i find a little disappointing is the amount of ice time BISSONNETTE is getting, he is a 16 yr old like GORMLEY, you need to play him for him to develop, sitting him will only hurt his confidence, in my opinion he is our best guy on the power play that can handle the puck, he needs to play with a couple of good players so he can develop like GORMLEY playing with BARBERIO, same goes for DOMINGUE he needs to play to develop! these guys will bring you the mem cup!!! Not every 16 year old is as advanced as GORMLEY, BISSONNETTE plays more than most 16 year olds, he is on the 2nd PP which most of them are not. DOMINGUE plays behind the best goalie in the Q RIOPEL so he'll get his 15-20 starts. You don't win MEM CUPS with 16 year olds. when your winning 4-1 their is no need two roll only 2 lines! as for 2nd pp 15 second shifts dont really count, what im saying is if you keep a 16yr old play him and you will have your mem cup, i recall quebec winning a mem cup against us with a 16 yr old!
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Post by tal on Oct 23, 2008 11:14:21 GMT -4
I believe the rule is that a coach is allowed 2 reviews that do not overturn the decision on the ice. I recall Patrick Roy losing it during one game when the ref refused to go upstairs because Roy had already had his 2 requests that game. (If a review does change the call, the review does not count towards the coach's allowed 2). Maybe someone can confirm or correct me if I'm wrong (memory is not what it once was). I think they took the limit of reviews off. It is simply up to the Referee's discretion now if he feels it should be reviewed. If a Coach asks for a review the Ref does not have to oblige. But if the Ref isn't sure ... he might as well have a look. I'd rather that the Ref have a look at everything that is close or questionable ... than ignore something he was sure was not in ... but find out it should have been a goal. Reviews don't take very long anymore ... and the Refs usually know what is going on when a Coach asks for a review on something that clearly was not in. Most reviews are done because the Ref wants to have a look ... not a request from one of the benches. We saw that this year already - I forget which game, but it was during the second period - the opposing team shot the puck off the boards behind the Cats net - and the ref signaled a goal. A review showed the puck did not go in the net (to the surprise of no one in the Coliseum except the ref). I don't think either coach asked for the review - altho maybe the ref got the clue from the reaction of the 4000+ refs in the stands.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 23, 2008 11:35:35 GMT -4
Not every 16 year old is as advanced as GORMLEY, BISSONNETTE plays more than most 16 year olds, he is on the 2nd PP which most of them are not. DOMINGUE plays behind the best goalie in the Q RIOPEL so he'll get his 15-20 starts. You don't win MEM CUPS with 16 year olds. when your winning 4-1 their is no need two roll only 2 lines! as for 2nd pp 15 second shifts dont really count, what im saying is if you keep a 16yr old play him and you will have your mem cup, i recall quebec winning a mem cup against us with a 16 yr old! Your facts and logic are pretty week. First of all, Flynn plays all 4 lines even in tight games. Bissonnette gets more than 15 second shifts of PP, he already has 6 points, I think 4 of which are on the PP. Also, just because Quebec won the Memorial Cup with Esposito at 16 means squat. It was Radulov and Desjardins's play(and horseshoe) that won it for them, not Esposito.
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Post by Dalkiel on Oct 23, 2008 12:12:56 GMT -4
I believe the rule is that a coach is allowed 2 reviews that do not overturn the decision on the ice. I recall Patrick Roy losing it during one game when the ref refused to go upstairs because Roy had already had his 2 requests that game. (If a review does change the call, the review does not count towards the coach's allowed 2). Maybe someone can confirm or correct me if I'm wrong (memory is not what it once was). I think they took the limit of reviews off. It is simply up to the Referee's discretion now if he feels it should be reviewed. If a Coach asks for a review the Ref does not have to oblige. But if the Ref isn't sure ... he might as well have a look. I'd rather that the Ref have a look at everything that is close or questionable ... than ignore something he was sure was not in ... but find out it should have been a goal. Reviews don't take very long anymore ... and the Refs usually know what is going on when a Coach asks for a review on something that clearly was not in. Most reviews are done because the Ref wants to have a look ... not a request from one of the benches. My point was that I think football has it just about perfect....ref makes a call and if the coach thinks it should be overturned then he can challenge it at a risk (penalty or what not). This prevents any kind of Roy incidents and any scheme to change momentum or give his players a rest.
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 23, 2008 12:22:25 GMT -4
Not every 16 year old is as advanced as GORMLEY, BISSONNETTE plays more than most 16 year olds, he is on the 2nd PP which most of them are not. DOMINGUE plays behind the best goalie in the Q RIOPEL so he'll get his 15-20 starts. You don't win MEM CUPS with 16 year olds. when your winning 4-1 their is no need two roll only 2 lines! as for 2nd pp 15 second shifts dont really count, what im saying is if you keep a 16yr old play him and you will have your mem cup, i recall quebec winning a mem cup against us with a 16 yr old! I don't know what game you were watching ... but Bissonnette got lots of icetime last night ... and every player played a lot. I think only Demitruk sat out for any length of time as I think Flynn sat him down for a period after a bad penalty. All of the penalties we had to kill also played a part in Bissonnette's icetime as he is not ready for PK work. Rookies like Petterson, Bissonnette, Jodoin, Demitruk, Famin are getting lots of icetime ... as was Roski before he was hurt. I think Bissonnette even said in a recent Hodge article that some of his other friends around the Q are envious because he was getting so much regular icetime. On a lot of teams ... the 16 YOs are sitting in the stands half the time.
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