rudolph
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Post by rudolph on Oct 26, 2008 22:45:57 GMT -4
Would it not have made more sense to bring up the fact that Famin "dropped off" before he "picked up" again? And actually... you are saying Halifax didn't do it right right now because they in fact didn't do it right. Before that, you were defending them tooth and nail, if I recall. Although you do raise some valid points in this thread, I think if this was the Moose making this run, you would be a little less skeptical. Re: Famin, he likely wasnt going to continue at a 1 assist/9 games pace. Eventually he'd have another couple good games. But his dropoff was being discussed on these boards by you guys too. I didnt make it up. Will he find his touch again over the next 10 games? Or will he chip in sporadically? Regarding defending them tooth and nail...our problem wasnt that the roster was too talented (with good coaching anyway). How can you argue that having a weaker roster is better than a strong one? I dont think for a second teams will look at Halifax (and RN and BC for that matter) and go "look at those teams with all that talent... they failed... lets go with a lesser talented team, seems like a better way to go" Maybe I dont understand what you mean by me defending them... defending the Marchand deal maybe? You take a chance and put together the team you feel can win it all (that you can afford), 15 teams fail at it each year. As for being skeptical.... this thread involved people talking about whether or not Moncton are a championship contender... a bunch of Moncton fans weighed in, most were fairly cautious about thinking this team can do it... most want to wait etc (i.e. DOUBT). I weighed in saying I didnt think they could without some key additions, and now Billy + Co are all worked up that I dont think they will win the league with the roster they have.... even though none of them really committed to saying they think they WILL win with this team. Basically, even with the great start, Moncton fans are still a bit weary of predicting this team can win it all. So why is everyone upset that I look at your roster (the experience, the elite talent amount) and feel that right now Id say that wont be enough come April to win the league? Is there no Moncton fan who will say they agree with me that some big additions (in particular up front) will probably be needed? Does every Moncton fan think this is a championship caliber roster as is? I think prices will be sky hight for top players, you say Moncton needs some big additions. yes the WC are probably overachieving. but the chemistry is good so why bother making some big moves. let them ride it out if they fail in the end they still have a good team. if they make the big moves and sacrifice the future and still fail they lose both ways. most big additions you talk about are already on "go for it " teams, and those teams will probably try to make some moves to improve. so ... yes the WC are the dark horse in this race... but damn they have nice chemistry!
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 26, 2008 22:47:01 GMT -4
Would it not have made more sense to bring up the fact that Famin "dropped off" before he "picked up" again? And actually... you are saying Halifax didn't do it right right now because they in fact didn't do it right. Before that, you were defending them tooth and nail, if I recall. Although you do raise some valid points in this thread, I think if this was the Moose making this run, you would be a little less skeptical. Re: Famin, he likely wasnt going to continue at a 1 assist/9 games pace. Eventually he'd have another couple good games. But his dropoff was being discussed on these boards by you guys too. I didnt make it up. Will he find his touch again over the next 10 games? Or will he chip in sporadically? Regarding defending them tooth and nail...our problem wasnt that the roster was too talented (with good coaching anyway). How can you argue that having a weaker roster is better than a strong one? I dont think for a second teams will look at Halifax (and RN and BC for that matter) and go "look at those teams with all that talent... they failed... lets go with a lesser talented team, seems like a better way to go" Maybe I dont understand what you mean by me defending them... defending the Marchand deal maybe? You take a chance and put together the team you feel can win it all (that you can afford), 15 teams fail at it each year. As for being skeptical.... this thread involved people talking about whether or not Moncton are a championship contender... a bunch of Moncton fans weighed in, most were fairly cautious about thinking this team can do it... most want to wait etc (i.e. DOUBT). I weighed in saying I didnt think they could without some key additions, and now Billy + Co are all worked up that I dont think they will win the league with the roster they have.... even though none of them really committed to saying they think they WILL win with this team. Basically, even with the great start, Moncton fans are still a bit weary of predicting this team can win it all. So why is everyone upset that I look at your roster (the experience, the elite talent amount) and feel that right now Id say that wont be enough come April to win the league? Is there no Moncton fan who will say they agree with me that some big additions (in particular up front) will probably be needed? Does every Moncton fan think this is a championship calibre roster as is? The problem with Famin is he hasn't had much ice time and vitually no PP time. Flynn is a sticker for systems and Famin is just learning english, slowing the process. He HAS found his touch, scoring 5 the last 3 games. I never said they WILL win the league with the current roster, just telling you over and over(and the message is obviously not coming in) that many times in recent years people have said certain teams could not win without adding this or that and that team went and won it all. You are talking like the WC have no chance at a time when they are dominating the league, beating on some pretty good teams by 5-6 goals. I'm sure it won't be like that all year, but in order to win in the playoffs, you don't need to win 16 straight, just 4/7 in each round. As I said about 5 times(and once again the message has not gotten through), Gatineau and Lewiston had perceived weaknesses the year they won also. Gat had a depeted defense with a forward at #6 and a 16 year old at #5 and Mior(very up and down career) in nets. Lewy had a pretty young defense(Ward Marshall Cusak) and some pretty weak Euros(Bundil) and 20's(Manson). ...but once again I'm sure you'll totally misinterpret my post.
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Post by Penguins23® on Oct 26, 2008 22:55:15 GMT -4
Re: Famin, he likely wasnt going to continue at a 1 assist/9 games pace. Eventually he'd have another couple good games. But his dropoff was being discussed on these boards by you guys too. I didnt make it up. Will he find his touch again over the next 10 games? Or will he chip in sporadically? Regarding defending them tooth and nail...our problem wasnt that the roster was too talented (with good coaching anyway). How can you argue that having a weaker roster is better than a strong one? I dont think for a second teams will look at Halifax (and RN and BC for that matter) and go "look at those teams with all that talent... they failed... lets go with a lesser talented team, seems like a better way to go" Maybe I dont understand what you mean by me defending them... defending the Marchand deal maybe? You take a chance and put together the team you feel can win it all (that you can afford), 15 teams fail at it each year. As for being skeptical.... this thread involved people talking about whether or not Moncton are a championship contender... a bunch of Moncton fans weighed in, most were fairly cautious about thinking this team can do it... most want to wait etc (i.e. DOUBT). I weighed in saying I didnt think they could without some key additions, and now Billy + Co are all worked up that I dont think they will win the league with the roster they have.... even though none of them really committed to saying they think they WILL win with this team. Basically, even with the great start, Moncton fans are still a bit weary of predicting this team can win it all. So why is everyone upset that I look at your roster (the experience, the elite talent amount) and feel that right now Id say that wont be enough come April to win the league? Is there no Moncton fan who will say they agree with me that some big additions (in particular up front) will probably be needed? Does every Moncton fan think this is a championship calibre roster as is? The problem with Famin is he hasn't had much ice time and vitually no PP time. Flynn is a sticker for systems and Famin is just learning english, slowing the process. He HAS found his touch, scoring 5 the last 3 games. I never said they WILL win the league with the current roster, just telling you over and over(and the message is obviously not coming in) that many times in recent years people have said certain teams could not win without adding this or that and that team went and won it all. You are talking like the WC have no chance at a time when they are dominating the league, beating on some pretty good teams by 5-6 goals. I'm sure it won't be like that all year, but in order to win in the playoffs, you don't need to win 16 straight, just 4/7 in each round. As I said about 5 times(and once again the message has not gotten through), Gatineau and Lewiston had perceived weaknesses the year they won also. Gat had a depeted defense with a forward at #6 and a 16 year old at #5 and Mior(very up and down career) in nets. Lewy had a pretty young defense(Ward Marshall Cusak) and some pretty weak Euros(Bundil) and 20's(Manson). ...but once again I'm sure you'll totally misinterpret my post. You can't compare the Wildcats to Lewiston because they had Bernier and Perron...didn't you hear?
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Oct 27, 2008 8:05:00 GMT -4
This is how this thread went...
-"Do we have a team that is a contender/should we make moves to go for it? -Me: I personally dont feel you can win the league with this roster, need some upgrades -Everyone: WTF! OMG! Look, Gat+Lew werent supposed to win either! eye roll eye roll eye roll
Seems to me you got a response you didnt want to hear and are getting all defensive. So I guess the only right answer to this "question" is yes, the cats are a championship quality team.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 27, 2008 8:19:09 GMT -4
This is how this thread went... -"Do we have a team that is a contender/should we make moves to go for it? -Me: I personally dont feel you can win the league with this roster, need some upgrades -Everyone: WTF! OMG! Look, Gat+Lew werent supposed to win either! eye roll eye roll eye roll Seems to me you got a response you didnt want to hear and are getting all defensive. So I guess the only right answer to this "question" is yes, the cats are a championship quality team. I'm just saying that based on the Lewy and Gatineau examples, it's not as cut and dry as you are trying to make it. People said they would need to make big moves to keep up with other teams, Lewy made no moves at midseason, Gat only added Prokop which is hardly a blockbuster.
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 27, 2008 8:27:47 GMT -4
Because a top six full of stars the likes of: Voracek Marchand Hiller Knotek Swan ...worked oh sooooo good for Halifax last year. What does Halifax have to do with this? Where have I been saying we did it right? The BIGGEST reason that roster lost last year was coaching. In fact, Moncton are proving this season how much an impact coaching has. Eagles vs Voracek Stephens vs Marchand Brannon vs Hillier Lessard vs Corsi Cameron vs MacMillan Famin vs Swan And still with White, Pridham and Knotek floating around... you guys are undefeated in 15? and have had some big wins over some of your biggest competition. We never had a big run like that, despite a sick amount of talent. You guys put Cam Russell behind your bench now, and you wouldnt be having anywhere near this success. Give us Flynn last year and you'd see a different team. Flynn has the team playing well as a team, but in the league semi's, you probably run into other good coaches, who have more high end talent to play with. For the record ... I'm not predicting that this roster will win a championship ... I'm not predicting they won't either ... I'm just not predicting anything with only 16 games played ... but I hope they don't change it. Your post is comical and shows that you don't understand the game very well. Making individual comparisons is exactly what Patenaude did last year when he assembled his team. He didn't go out and get any team guys ... just a bunch of individuals. Pascal Vincent figured out that mistake a few years ago ... it was in all the papers ... doesn't Patenaude read ? This "unloaded" Moncton team would take out last year's "loaded" Moose team in 5 games ... by game 3 your stars would be fighting with each other ... Game 4 you'd all be calling for the Coach's head ... after game 5 all the blame would be on Daniel Smith. You told us all last year that you guys were a contender ... told us all about how you just needed time to gel ... and you weren't even close. So ... your opinion today has zero credibility since you don't have a clue what it actually takes to win. It takes character and chemistry ... something the Moose had zero of last year and several years before. Superstars don't win playoff series ... 20+ guys playing as a team do. Did you ever wonder why team Canada wins the WJC almost every year over the last 10 ? Because they stopped taking the 23 best players in Canada and actually built a team with character and chemistry (leaving the French speaking players off actually contributes to chemistry ... sad eh ?). THis team is made up of 4 lines of kids that enjoy playing with each other and enjoy playing for their Coach. And they seem to get better evey game. Its nice to go to the rink knowing that your team is going to put out a solid effort and give you their best. We had the same type of effort last year ... just a little less skill and experience. But last year is why we are being successful this year. Last year they had to be almost perfect defensively to have a chance to win ... so Flynn worked on that aspect more than any other ... and now this year we are seeing the same thing but now our skill level has increased and we are seeing a big difference.
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Post by hockey1981 on Oct 27, 2008 8:39:30 GMT -4
Great post Steve...
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Oct 27, 2008 9:32:36 GMT -4
What does Halifax have to do with this? Where have I been saying we did it right? The BIGGEST reason that roster lost last year was coaching. In fact, Moncton are proving this season how much an impact coaching has. Eagles vs Voracek Stephens vs Marchand Brannon vs Hillier Lessard vs Corsi Cameron vs MacMillan Famin vs Swan And still with White, Pridham and Knotek floating around... you guys are undefeated in 15? and have had some big wins over some of your biggest competition. We never had a big run like that, despite a sick amount of talent. You guys put Cam Russell behind your bench now, and you wouldnt be having anywhere near this success. Give us Flynn last year and you'd see a different team. Flynn has the team playing well as a team, but in the league semi's, you probably run into other good coaches, who have more high end talent to play with. For the record ... I'm not predicting that this roster will win a championship ... I'm not predicting they won't either ... I'm just not predicting anything with only 16 games played ... but I hope they don't change it. Your post is comical and shows that you don't understand the game very well. Making individual comparisons is exactly what Patenaude did last year when he assembled his team. He didn't go out and get any team guys ... just a bunch of individuals. Pascal Vincent figured out that mistake a few years ago ... it was in all the papers ... doesn't Patenaude read ? This "unloaded" Moncton team would take out last year's "loaded" Moose team in 5 games ... by game 3 your stars would be fighting with each other ... Game 4 you'd all be calling for the Coach's head ... after game 5 all the blame would be on Daniel Smith. You told us all last year that you guys were a contender ... told us all about how you just needed time to gel ... and you weren't even close. So ... your opinion today has zero credibility since you don't have a clue what it actually takes to win. It takes character and chemistry ... something the Moose had zero of last year and several years before. Superstars don't win playoff series ... 20+ guys playing as a team do. Did you ever wonder why team Canada wins the WJC almost every year over the last 10 ? Because they stopped taking the 23 best players in Canada and actually built a team with character and chemistry (leaving the French speaking players off actually contributes to chemistry ... sad eh ?). THis team is made up of 4 lines of kids that enjoy playing with each other and enjoy playing for their Coach. And they seem to get better evey game. Its nice to go to the rink knowing that your team is going to put out a solid effort and give you their best. We had the same type of effort last year ... just a little less skill and experience. But last year is why we are being successful this year. Last year they had to be almost perfect defensively to have a chance to win ... so Flynn worked on that aspect more than any other ... and now this year we are seeing the same thing but now our skill level has increased and we are seeing a big difference. Dont understand the game? No credibility? You guys arent used to out of towners on your board disagreeing with you are you? Ill tell you what, you win the league with this roster and I will happily admit I underestimated your teams ability to play as a team. Are you saying you wouldnt swap, straight up, your top 6 forwards I listed for our top 6 of last year? My point of that comparison was to show what coaching can do - Flynn is taking a much less impressive forward group and getting more success than Russell did with his group. It wasnt to downgrade your players, it was to show how important coaching can be. Re-read the post, you will see I was making the comparison to show what good coaching can do with less. That said, another team with great goaltending, great leadership and some star power are the CB eagles last year... and we beat them in 5 in round 2. Before you start comparing yourself to Lewy's title team, maybe last years CB team is a closer comparison. And our disfunctional, mismanaged team won out because of talent essentially. Arent you always preaching when two teams play equally as hard, the talent will win out? Its the same theory youve been posting about going back to when we beat your 4th overall team in round 1 two years ago, that in playoffs all teams step up a notch so the more talented teams often win out. And it was pretty much wide spread that BC, RN, Hal were the concensus top 3, with Gat and SJ rounding out the top 5 in most peoples opinion. Where were your posts saying Gatineau were the only contender? Because if you thought RN or BC were "contenders" then I guess you can join me in my uneducated opinions. Also, when they didnt change coaching in late Jan/Feb, my expectations of the team dropped considerably if you remember, and I was just hoping for a decent run and to not be upset early.
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Post by bois on Oct 27, 2008 9:51:59 GMT -4
I'm pretty sure everyone on these boards two years ago (except the old faithful Lewy guys.. where did they all go anyhow??) were lambasting Lewy for standing pat at the deadline with their lack of offensive firepower, poor Euros and wasted 20's
The Lewy faithful told us .. it's all a great long term vision/plan.. in Clem we trust blah blah blah.... well yeah they bored their way to a league title ... faded out in the Mem Cup.. saw their coach depart before the next season (the real supposed go for it year).. ended up very mediocre.. and now are fully rebuilding
is that what you guys want Moncton to do?
I guess the real point is you can designate a season as your go for it year all ya want.. if it turns out the team shows a year earlier they may be ready to make that run... you'd be damn foolish to just stand still and assume things will be fine next year instead
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 27, 2008 9:56:36 GMT -4
For the record ... I'm not predicting that this roster will win a championship ... I'm not predicting they won't either ... I'm just not predicting anything with only 16 games played ... but I hope they don't change it. Your post is comical and shows that you don't understand the game very well. Making individual comparisons is exactly what Patenaude did last year when he assembled his team. He didn't go out and get any team guys ... just a bunch of individuals. Pascal Vincent figured out that mistake a few years ago ... it was in all the papers ... doesn't Patenaude read ? This "unloaded" Moncton team would take out last year's "loaded" Moose team in 5 games ... by game 3 your stars would be fighting with each other ... Game 4 you'd all be calling for the Coach's head ... after game 5 all the blame would be on Daniel Smith. You told us all last year that you guys were a contender ... told us all about how you just needed time to gel ... and you weren't even close. So ... your opinion today has zero credibility since you don't have a clue what it actually takes to win. It takes character and chemistry ... something the Moose had zero of last year and several years before. Superstars don't win playoff series ... 20+ guys playing as a team do. Did you ever wonder why team Canada wins the WJC almost every year over the last 10 ? Because they stopped taking the 23 best players in Canada and actually built a team with character and chemistry (leaving the French speaking players off actually contributes to chemistry ... sad eh ?). THis team is made up of 4 lines of kids that enjoy playing with each other and enjoy playing for their Coach. And they seem to get better evey game. Its nice to go to the rink knowing that your team is going to put out a solid effort and give you their best. We had the same type of effort last year ... just a little less skill and experience. But last year is why we are being successful this year. Last year they had to be almost perfect defensively to have a chance to win ... so Flynn worked on that aspect more than any other ... and now this year we are seeing the same thing but now our skill level has increased and we are seeing a big difference. Dont understand the game? No credibility? You guys arent used to out of towners on your board disagreeing with you are you? Ill tell you what, you win the league with this roster and I will happily admit I underestimated your teams ability to play as a team. Are you saying you wouldnt swap, straight up, your top 6 forwards I listed for our top 6 of last year? My point of that comparison was to show what coaching can do - Flynn is taking a much less impressive forward group and getting more success than Russell did with his group. It wasnt to downgrade your players, it was to show how important coaching can be. Re-read the post, you will see I was making the comparison to show what good coaching can do with less. That said, another team with great goaltending, great leadership and some star power are the CB eagles last year... and we beat them in 5 in round 2. Before you start comparing yourself to Lewy's title team, maybe last years CB team is a closer comparison. And our disfunctional, mismanaged team won out because of talent essentially. Arent you always preaching when two teams play equally as hard, the talent will win out? Its the same theory youve been posting about going back to when we beat your 4th overall team in round 1 two years ago, that in playoffs all teams step up a notch so the more talented teams often win out. And it was pretty much wide spread that BC, RN, Hal were the concensus top 3, with Gat and SJ rounding out the top 5 in most peoples opinion. Where were your posts saying Gatineau were the only contender? Because if you thought RN or BC were "contenders" then I guess you can join me in my uneducated opinions. Also, when they didnt change coaching in late Jan/Feb, my expectations of the team dropped considerably if you remember, and I was just hoping for a decent run and to not be upset early. We were that same CB team 3 seasons ago (06-07) ... carried by a very good group of 20 YO and wound up with pretty much the same result. This year's Cats aren't the same ... they are carried by a group of 22 or so players ... scoring from many ... everybody plays including the 16 YOs. Would I want your Top 6 forward group from last year ... in a straight up trade for our Top 6 ... LOL ... no thanks. Voracek would be nice ... but you can keep the rest of them. When did Swan creep into your Top 6 anyway ? Wasn't he a 4th liner ? Knotek ... really ? Nice skills but he isn't a dominating player. Where is the grit in that group ? Swan ? MacMillan ... ho hum ... again a nice player ... no grit ... not a leader ... and one has to wonder how mentally tough he is. But thanks for proving my point ... those players were a big part of your undoing last year ... and you don't realize it. Too many egos. One of the only guys worth keeping from that group (returning) was White ... and where is he now ? You win with guys like White ... not guys like Swan and Hillier. The thing I like a lot about our group of forwards this year is that most of them will be back next year ... same as 5 of our 6 top Dmen. That is one of the biggest reasons that most aren't looking to make changes. Nobody looked to Gatineau as the team to beat because they had actually considered dumping Giroux ... they didn't even think they were a contender. But we all know that any Gatineau team with Benoit Groulx behind the bench will be ready to play come playoff time. I'm glad he has gone to the pros.
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Post by Blackcat on Oct 27, 2008 10:02:39 GMT -4
Nobody is saying stand still, but selling the farm is out of the question...this team is going to be a pain in the butt for the rest of the atlantic division for the next three to four years, prices will be high at X-mas with Rim hosting and alot of good contenders this year so maybe a couple of middle of the road deals or an up grade of a twenty, but let Rim and Quebec do the big over-paying deals this year.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 27, 2008 10:03:21 GMT -4
I'm pretty sure everyone on these boards two years ago (except the old faithful Lewy guys.. where did they all go anyhow??) were lambasting Lewy for standing pat at the deadline with their lack of offensive firepower, poor Euros and wasted 20's The Lewy faithful told us .. it's all a great long term vision/plan.. in Clem we trust blah blah blah.... well yeah they bored their way to a league title ... faded out in the Mem Cup.. saw their coach depart before the next season (the real supposed go for it year).. ended up very mediocre.. and now are fully rebuilding is that what you guys want Moncton to do? I guess the real point is you can designate a season as your go for it year all ya want.. if it turns out the team shows a year earlier they may be ready to make that run... you'd be damn foolish to just stand still and assume things will be fine next year instead I'm not saying the Cats are an exact replica of Lewy. The styles are different. But it does illustrate that a team with a bit less talent can beat a more talented one if they play their system and has 20 guys committed to winning instead of their personal stats. Good job of going on a tangen there.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Oct 27, 2008 10:16:03 GMT -4
Dont understand the game? No credibility? You guys arent used to out of towners on your board disagreeing with you are you? Ill tell you what, you win the league with this roster and I will happily admit I underestimated your teams ability to play as a team. Are you saying you wouldnt swap, straight up, your top 6 forwards I listed for our top 6 of last year? My point of that comparison was to show what coaching can do - Flynn is taking a much less impressive forward group and getting more success than Russell did with his group. It wasnt to downgrade your players, it was to show how important coaching can be. Re-read the post, you will see I was making the comparison to show what good coaching can do with less. That said, another team with great goaltending, great leadership and some star power are the CB eagles last year... and we beat them in 5 in round 2. Before you start comparing yourself to Lewy's title team, maybe last years CB team is a closer comparison. And our disfunctional, mismanaged team won out because of talent essentially. Arent you always preaching when two teams play equally as hard, the talent will win out? Its the same theory youve been posting about going back to when we beat your 4th overall team in round 1 two years ago, that in playoffs all teams step up a notch so the more talented teams often win out. And it was pretty much wide spread that BC, RN, Hal were the concensus top 3, with Gat and SJ rounding out the top 5 in most peoples opinion. Where were your posts saying Gatineau were the only contender? Because if you thought RN or BC were "contenders" then I guess you can join me in my uneducated opinions. Also, when they didnt change coaching in late Jan/Feb, my expectations of the team dropped considerably if you remember, and I was just hoping for a decent run and to not be upset early. We were that same CB team 3 seasons ago (06-07) ... carried by a very good group of 20 YO and wound up with pretty much the same result. This year's Cats aren't the same ... they are carried by a group of 22 or so players ... scoring from many ... everybody plays including the 16 YOs. Would I want your Top 6 forward group from last year ... in a straight up trade for our Top 6 ... LOL ... no thanks. Voracek would be nice ... but you can keep the rest of them. When did Swan creep into your Top 6 anyway ? Wasn't he a 4th liner ? Knotek ... really ? Nice skills but he isn't a dominating player. Where is the grit in that group ? Swan ? MacMillan ... ho hum ... again a nice player ... no grit ... not a leader ... and one has to wonder how mentally tough he is. But thanks for proving my point ... those players were a big part of your undoing last year ... and you don't realize it. Too many egos. One of the only guys worth keeping from that group (returning) was White ... and where is he now ? You win with guys like White ... not guys like Swan and Hillier. The thing I like a lot about our group of forwards this year is that most of them will be back next year ... same as 5 of our 6 top Dmen. That is one of the biggest reasons that most aren't looking to make changes. Nobody looked to Gatineau as the team to beat because they had actually considered dumping Giroux ... they didn't even think they were a contender. But we all know that any Gatineau team with Benoit Groulx behind the bench will be ready to play come playoff time. I'm glad he has gone to the pros. That is as homeristic a post as you will ever see. If a GM offered in a trade Voracek, Marchand, Hillier, MacMillan, Corsi, Swan for Eagles, Stephens, Famin, Brannon, Lessard, Cameron You would say no thanks? You are greatly underestimating what your coaches are doing, if you think they couldnt be even better with those guys. As for your assessment of the moose players... MacMillan no grit/leadership? He hits and fights and his character was a big reason Anaheim liked him so much. White is a guy you win with? Im amazed at the credit you guys give him now, he didnt get this much credit ever from moose fans. Knotek has nice skill but isnt dominating? True enough - so you are saying many of your top 9 guys are dominating players? Swan played all over, he was a big physical guy with 30+ goal skill and dressing room leadership. He had a very good playoffs too. Hillier was great along the boards, Pridham was the ultimate two way forward, always working. All this reaction because I feel in order to make a serious run, you will need some upgrades. Is the only thing I can say here, without getting the Lewy comparisons, "Moncton have all the tools to win the title, no need for any changes"?
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 27, 2008 10:30:38 GMT -4
We were that same CB team 3 seasons ago (06-07) ... carried by a very good group of 20 YO and wound up with pretty much the same result. This year's Cats aren't the same ... they are carried by a group of 22 or so players ... scoring from many ... everybody plays including the 16 YOs. Would I want your Top 6 forward group from last year ... in a straight up trade for our Top 6 ... LOL ... no thanks. Voracek would be nice ... but you can keep the rest of them. When did Swan creep into your Top 6 anyway ? Wasn't he a 4th liner ? Knotek ... really ? Nice skills but he isn't a dominating player. Where is the grit in that group ? Swan ? MacMillan ... ho hum ... again a nice player ... no grit ... not a leader ... and one has to wonder how mentally tough he is. But thanks for proving my point ... those players were a big part of your undoing last year ... and you don't realize it. Too many egos. One of the only guys worth keeping from that group (returning) was White ... and where is he now ? You win with guys like White ... not guys like Swan and Hillier. The thing I like a lot about our group of forwards this year is that most of them will be back next year ... same as 5 of our 6 top Dmen. That is one of the biggest reasons that most aren't looking to make changes. Nobody looked to Gatineau as the team to beat because they had actually considered dumping Giroux ... they didn't even think they were a contender. But we all know that any Gatineau team with Benoit Groulx behind the bench will be ready to play come playoff time. I'm glad he has gone to the pros. That is as homeristic a post as you will ever see. If a GM offered in a trade Voracek, Marchand, Hillier, MacMillan, Corsi, Swan for Eagles, Stephens, Famin, Brannon, Lessard, Cameron You would say no thanks? You are greatly underestimating what your coaches are doing, if you think they couldnt be even better with those guys. As for your assessment of the moose players... MacMillan no grit/leadership? He hits and fights and his character was a big reason Anaheim liked him so much. White is a guy you win with? Im amazed at the credit you guys give him now, he didnt get this much credit ever from moose fans. Knotek has nice skill but isnt dominating? True enough - so you are saying many of your top 9 guys are dominating players? Swan played all over, he was a big physical guy with 30+ goal skill and dressing room leadership. He had a very good playoffs too. Hillier was great along the boards, Pridham was the ultimate two way forward, always working. All this reaction because I feel in order to make a serious run, you will need some upgrades. Is the only thing I can say here, without getting the Lewy comparisons, "Moncton have all the tools to win the title, no need for any changes"? Go read my first post on this topic ... after you jumped into the thread. I'm not saying that Moncton is ready to win a championship. I'm saying that you have no clue what it takes to win. Your trade is a joke ... Voracek, Marchand, Hillier, Swan (a 21 YO lol) Corsi (not even Moose property) are not even in the Q ... and they showed that they cannot all play together on the same team. Its the same thing ... you can't bring in a bunch of egos and hope to have a winning team. Even a great Coach can't change an ego ... Groulx gets rid of them on a regular basis. Maybe if you tossed in Nagy and Jurcina we'd consider the deal ... but we'd probably have to toss in Crawford and Bernier to even it out ... I like White ... I'd even consider him as the type of upgrade we need on a guy like Lahey (Lahey is starting to show promise) ... maybe you can convince him to return to the Q and we can work something out.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Oct 27, 2008 10:42:25 GMT -4
That is as homeristic a post as you will ever see. If a GM offered in a trade Voracek, Marchand, Hillier, MacMillan, Corsi, Swan for Eagles, Stephens, Famin, Brannon, Lessard, Cameron You would say no thanks? You are greatly underestimating what your coaches are doing, if you think they couldnt be even better with those guys. As for your assessment of the moose players... MacMillan no grit/leadership? He hits and fights and his character was a big reason Anaheim liked him so much. White is a guy you win with? Im amazed at the credit you guys give him now, he didnt get this much credit ever from moose fans. Knotek has nice skill but isnt dominating? True enough - so you are saying many of your top 9 guys are dominating players? Swan played all over, he was a big physical guy with 30+ goal skill and dressing room leadership. He had a very good playoffs too. Hillier was great along the boards, Pridham was the ultimate two way forward, always working. All this reaction because I feel in order to make a serious run, you will need some upgrades. Is the only thing I can say here, without getting the Lewy comparisons, "Moncton have all the tools to win the title, no need for any changes"? Go read my first post on this topic ... after you jumped into the thread. I'm not saying that Moncton is ready to win a championship. I'm saying that you have no clue what it takes to win. Your trade is a joke ... Voracek, Marchand, Hillier, Swan (a 21 YO lol) Corsi (not even Moose property) are not even in the Q ... I didnt know I had to point out we were talking about them based on last year I'll speak slower next time. You are misinterpreting what Im saying.. Ive never said you need a forward group like we had to win the league. Im saying we had better forwards than you do. If Flynn and his systems had this group you guys would be league favorites. Obviously there is more to winning than just having good forwards (we certainly didnt win). But you guys are arguing with me that my opinion that you guys will need a couple key additions to win the league is wrong. So go for it, dont change a thing, and prove me wrong. But if you guys lose out to Que, SJ, Shawinigan, then I expect you will come tell me I was right afterall.
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