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Post by Optimus Reim on Oct 27, 2008 16:10:39 GMT -4
I honestly would not have an issue if we could upgrade by using picks as we have quite a few extras. Not saying use them all but HYPOTHETICALLY if we could land "Doyle" for BC 1st and Biduke (Yes I know its out to lunch but just for comparisons sake) I would do it. I would not move amy of our 16 that we drafted this year. The only real thing that we have that has any "big" value is BC 1st. But where the draft is being held in Moncton I would be very surprised to see that moved.
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Post by qfan on Oct 27, 2008 17:05:03 GMT -4
Why would you accept trading away that 1st from BC but you would refuse to trade your 16YO. Technically, that BC 1st is just like another Gormley type player. (top 5 player drafted)
As a fan, I would totally oppose that move. On the other hand I could agree to trade away 3rds or more for a good return when you have plenty of picks. You really have to keep your top picks cause they generate those top players.
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Post by Optimus Reim on Oct 27, 2008 17:10:39 GMT -4
If you could get an 18 YO who could help bolster the offence quite a bit I would have no issues but I really do not think that there are that many players like that available. ALso the ones that are I am sure will have bidding wars on. Let me rephrase the 16 YO parts. I would be hesitant to move Bissonette, Domingue, Gormley (NOT a hope in hell) and Downe.
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Post by CatsFan on Oct 27, 2008 18:34:04 GMT -4
If you could get an 18 YO who could help bolster the offence quite a bit I would have no issues but I really do not think that there are that many players like that available. ALso the ones that are I am sure will have bidding wars on. Let me rephrase the 16 YO parts. I would be hesitant to move Bissonette, Domingue, Gormley (NOT a hope in hell) and Downe. An 18 year old player I'd be really interested in getting would be Guillaume Goulet from Baie Comeau. He really impressed me when I watched the Baie Comeau/Saint John game on Friday night. But you'd be paying a lot more for an 18 year old than you would if you were looking to add a 20 year old, for obvious reasons.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 27, 2008 19:01:13 GMT -4
I honestly would not have an issue if we could upgrade by using picks as we have quite a few extras. Not saying use them all but HYPOTHETICALLY if we could land "Doyle" for BC 1st and Biduke (Yes I know its out to lunch but just for comparisons sake) I would do it. I would not move amy of our 16 that we drafted this year. The only real thing that we have that has any "big" value is BC 1st. But where the draft is being held in Moncton I would be very surprised to see that moved. The problem with that scenario is you would pay a crazy price for any player not a bad apple. I'm sure you could get Doyle for that but Doyle doesn't strike me as a Flynn type player. He plays for himself and has a questionable work ethic. You can get a player as good as that in a 20 year old forward or d-man for a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Mallette of Gat would be a great fit here.
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Post by Optimus Reim on Oct 27, 2008 20:10:39 GMT -4
The reason I mentioned Doyle was because of the "me mentality" and hopefully with the right coaching and atmosphere he could change that. Its a risk you take but with pretty good upside.
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Post by hockey1981 on Oct 27, 2008 21:03:12 GMT -4
If you could get an 18 YO who could help bolster the offence quite a bit I would have no issues but I really do not think that there are that many players like that available. ALso the ones that are I am sure will have bidding wars on. Let me rephrase the 16 YO parts. I would be hesitant to move Bissonette, Domingue, Gormley (NOT a hope in hell) and Downe. I think there's no chance of Flynn Trading Gormley, Bissonnette, Domingue or Downe....
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Post by Captain Obvious on Oct 27, 2008 21:11:39 GMT -4
If you could get an 18 YO who could help bolster the offence quite a bit I would have no issues but I really do not think that there are that many players like that available. ALso the ones that are I am sure will have bidding wars on. Let me rephrase the 16 YO parts. I would be hesitant to move Bissonette, Domingue, Gormley (NOT a hope in hell) and Downe. I think there's no chance of Flynn Trading Gormley, Bissonnette, Domingue or Downe.... Downe could be traded for the right price, but I agree on the other 3. Brown and Berberio as well.
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Post by habh8er on Oct 27, 2008 22:12:22 GMT -4
If you could get an 18 YO who could help bolster the offence quite a bit I would have no issues but I really do not think that there are that many players like that available. ALso the ones that are I am sure will have bidding wars on. Let me rephrase the 16 YO parts. I would be hesitant to move Bissonette, Domingue, Gormley (NOT a hope in hell) and Downe. I think there's no chance of Flynn Trading Gormley, Bissonnette, Domingue or Downe.... Gormley looked really, really good yesterday in Saint John. I had to double check my program to make sure that I was looking at a 16 yo defenceman. Good size, very smart on the ice, and didn't look in any way to be out muscled or outplayed along the boards....what's in the water down there in Murray River P,E,I.?
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Post by bois on Oct 29, 2008 11:38:00 GMT -4
I think there's no chance of Flynn Trading Gormley, Bissonnette, Domingue or Downe.... Gormley looked really, really good yesterday in Saint John. I had to double check my program to make sure that I was looking at a 16 yo defenceman. Good size, very smart on the ice, and didn't look in any way to be out muscled or outplayed along the boards....what's in the water down there in Murray River P,E,I.? lobster mostly
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Post by sec21critic on Oct 29, 2008 12:03:28 GMT -4
Gormley looked really, really good yesterday in Saint John. I had to double check my program to make sure that I was looking at a 16 yo defenceman. Good size, very smart on the ice, and didn't look in any way to be out muscled or outplayed along the boards....what's in the water down there in Murray River P,E,I.? lobster mostly One of the best lines I've ever heard came from one of those NHL Network shows on the Entry Draft... probably from 2004, since it showed Brad Richards in the crowd. Someone asked him what he was doing there.. Brad's reply: "Because it beat staying home and fishing lobster" It was funny because it was true. ...... oh, and Crazy Joe... you can count me as a member of the "don't think the Cats will win the Q" contingent, dispite whatever conclusions you have drawn already. I would've debated this further with you... but Steve and others have covered my thoughts on the matter which are fairly similar, thus allowing me time to bide my time in other ways. Thanks, guys.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Oct 29, 2008 12:29:40 GMT -4
...... oh, and Crazy Joe... you can count me as a member of the "don't think the Cats will win the Q" contingent, dispite whatever conclusions you have drawn already. I would've debated this further with you... but Steve and others have covered my thoughts on the matter which are fairly similar, thus allowing me time to bide my time in other ways. Thanks, guys. Regarding the points other are making.. I agree completely, chemistry and teamwork is often a crucial component in a championship team. But those title teams that have that also have very good talent too, often a superstar (or 2) that can carry them. Great teamwork will win you alot of regular season games, but come playoff time, you need to have the high end talent to come through also because other teams have stepped it up, and many have added even more star players. What Im saying is no different than what is said by everyone, every other year, on other teams boards when discussing what is needed to upgrade a good team to a championship team. I am suggesting maybe a couple more high end players, up front in particular but perhaps a top pairing quality D... but everyone is up in arms over that idea, indicating that your top 2 lines dont need upgrades, over guys like Fahey, Famin, Cameron etc... because they play as a team. You can upgrade on guys and still have the same teamwork... and be a better team.
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 29, 2008 12:41:33 GMT -4
...... oh, and Crazy Joe... you can count me as a member of the "don't think the Cats will win the Q" contingent, dispite whatever conclusions you have drawn already. I would've debated this further with you... but Steve and others have covered my thoughts on the matter which are fairly similar, thus allowing me time to bide my time in other ways. Thanks, guys. Regarding the points other are making.. I agree completely, chemistry and teamwork is often a crucial component in a championship team. But those title teams that have that also have very good talent too, often a superstar (or 2) that can carry them. Great teamwork will win you alot of regular season games, but come playoff time, you need to have the high end talent to come through also because other teams have stepped it up, and many have added even more star players. What Im saying is no different than what is said by everyone, every other year, on other teams boards when discussing what is needed to upgrade a good team to a championship team. I am suggesting maybe a couple more high end players, up front in particular but perhaps a top pairing quality D... but everyone is up in arms over that idea, indicating that your top 2 lines dont need upgrades, over guys like Fahey, Famin, Cameron etc... because they play as a team. You can upgrade on guys and still have the same teamwork... and be a better team. I don't think anybody said that Lahey (not Fahey ... but he is new so I'll let it slide ... lol) couldn't be upgraded on as he hasn't been that impressive yet ... although starting to show a little glimmer of something from time to time. An upgrade on Lahey isn't costly at all ... but who is it ? But guys like Famin (8 goals ... 5 goals in last 3 games) and Cameron (better than a PPG) will be back next year and so replacing them when they are already bringing key production is foolish.
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Post by jimmy on Oct 29, 2008 12:51:52 GMT -4
...... oh, and Crazy Joe... you can count me as a member of the "don't think the Cats will win the Q" contingent, dispite whatever conclusions you have drawn already. I would've debated this further with you... but Steve and others have covered my thoughts on the matter which are fairly similar, thus allowing me time to bide my time in other ways. Thanks, guys. Regarding the points other are making.. I agree completely, chemistry and teamwork is often a crucial component in a championship team. But those title teams that have that also have very good talent too, often a superstar (or 2) that can carry them. Great teamwork will win you alot of regular season games, but come playoff time, you need to have the high end talent to come through also because other teams have stepped it up, and many have added even more star players. What Im saying is no different than what is said by everyone, every other year, on other teams boards when discussing what is needed to upgrade a good team to a championship team. I am suggesting maybe a couple more high end players, up front in particular but perhaps a top pairing quality D... but everyone is up in arms over that idea, indicating that your top 2 lines dont need upgrades, over guys like Fahey, Famin, Cameron etc... because they play as a team. You can upgrade on guys and still have the same teamwork... and be a better team. Well, you make some valid points ... good discussion. Lahey is not on our top 2 lines ... at this point he is on the 4th with little or no PP time ... so yes, I think we can easily upgrade on him with another 20 year old unless he really turns it on in the next month and a half. Cameron has never been one of my favourite players ... but to his credit, he has stepped up his play this year. I think he is a legitimate top 6 forward on any team in the league - granted that doesn't mean we can't add another talented forward to the mix. I think we need to wait a bit longer on Famin ... is he a guy who is going to be hot and cold all year? Or is he just now beginning to get over the new euro adjustment phase we so often see and is he a legitimate 35-40 goal man? By Xmas we will have a better idea ... The other factor to consider is that we have a large number of young forwards playing key roles ... MacAusland, Brown, Stephens, Bissonette ... it is possible they could wear down as the season progresses, but it is also possible that they could continue to develop and become even better as the year goes on and they gain experience, confidence, and strength ... If I was going to add a big piece, it would be on the blueline - a legit top pair guy who can play with Barberio would take some pressure off of young Gormley - although his play of late is getting better and better - 5 points in his past 4 games if not mistaken ... a flash in the pan? Or is he just starting to get comfortable? If we add a d-man, who do we sit? Probably Demitruk ... and IMO he is probably just as good as most #4 d-men in the league ... so do we really need to add? Maybe we trade for a depth guy to be #7 in case of injury? Bottom line, we have reason to hope for improvement to come from within rather than via a big trade ... but we certainly have the assets to dangle if we choose to add a big piece ... it seems foolish to carry a 20 year old on the 4th line when we can easily afford to splurge ... I say we get the best guy available, F or D, and let the remaining pieces fall into place ... all of our current guys are unlikely to be healthy all year in any event, so there should still be enough icetime to go around. I wonder how Jimmy Hayes is doing at BC? Maybe we could convince him to report at Xmas if he feels he is joining a contender and wants to play pro next year?
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Post by qfan on Oct 29, 2008 13:34:25 GMT -4
Fans seem to forget that we have Bell in case of injury. Although he hasn't played much he is in condition to play. Also, we have Downe that would be glad to be called up at any point.
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