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Post by dar on Oct 27, 2008 8:40:25 GMT -4
I just thought in hind sight that the Bourdon trade didn't give the return that they thought it would. They gave up there leading scorer a couple picks and then they had to give up marchand. Imagine the position they would be if they would of made the Marchand deal to Halifax last year. They would be a power house for the next 5 years lol Don't forget that if we had not acquired Bourdon from Val d'Or, we would not have Barberia and Brannon today. Yes we would have been able to trade Marchand, but that would have been added to our team minus Barberio and Brannon.
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 27, 2008 8:42:25 GMT -4
I was glad to see Lahey get a goal tonight. He had a monster hit in the offensive zone on an earlier shift and on that shift he stripped the puck from the Sea Dogs(what's new?) Wire a shot that just missed the top corner and went all the way back to the Cats zone.... Also....what the heck is Lane doing out there? I would much rather have Roski(Yes he's healthy and he has been for 2 games now) skating out there then him. Riopel played great, Cats had a few lapses and Sea Dogs took advantage of most of them...except for Dido, he was left alone in front of the new a few times and couldn't score. Lastly, I was shocked that Rio didn't get a star...no wonder he wasn't drafted or invited to the Russia Challenge Thomas was a non-factor again ... wasn't dishing out any dirty hits. I wonder why ?
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Post by CatsFan on Oct 27, 2008 9:28:19 GMT -4
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Post by CatsFan on Oct 27, 2008 9:49:55 GMT -4
Highlights from Saint John's youtube channel ..
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Post by habh8er on Oct 27, 2008 23:26:55 GMT -4
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Post by qfan on Oct 28, 2008 9:24:57 GMT -4
I just thought in hind sight that the Bourdon trade didn't give the return that they thought it would. They gave up there leading scorer a couple picks and then they had to give up marchand. Imagine the position they would be if they would of made the Marchand deal to Halifax last year. They would be a power house for the next 5 years lol Don't forget that if we had not acquired Bourdon from Val d'Or, we would not have Barberia and Brannon today. Yes we would have been able to trade Marchand, but that would have been added to our team minus Barberio and Brannon. Come on We paid Val d'Or 6 players/picks plus Val D'or traded 1 of them for 7 players/picks. That's 13 players/picks minus Barberio and Brannon. On top of that all those picks/players were 3rd round or better. I understand at that point this trade had to be made but don't compare Barberio and Brannon to 13 high picks or players
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Post by catnut on Oct 28, 2008 9:31:14 GMT -4
Don't forget that if we had not acquired Bourdon from Val d'Or, we would not have Barberia and Brannon today. Yes we would have been able to trade Marchand, but that would have been added to our team minus Barberio and Brannon. Come on We paid Val d'Or 6 players/picks plus Val D'or traded 1 of them for 7 players/picks. That's 13 players/picks minus Barberio and Brannon. On top of that all those picks/players were 3rd round or better. I understand at that point this trade had to be made but don't compare Barberio and Brannon to 13 high picks or players But without that trade, do we win the President's Cup? Nobody knows. I'll take the result before the maybes.
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Post by forrest on Oct 28, 2008 11:28:03 GMT -4
Come on We paid Val d'Or 6 players/picks plus Val D'or traded 1 of them for 7 players/picks. That's 13 players/picks minus Barberio and Brannon. On top of that all those picks/players were 3rd round or better. I understand at that point this trade had to be made but don't compare Barberio and Brannon to 13 high picks or players But without that trade, do we win the President's Cup? Nobody knows. I'll take the result before the maybes. Since we are talking about the shoulda coulda.... I am glad Moncton made the best moves they thought to win the president cup. Obviously, what I wish would have happened was for them to win the mem cup final against Quebec. But I don't regret any move they made. However this doesn't mean I was wishing for slightly different players than what they got, but maybe my wish were not possible at all. Here is what I wish we would have done and I think it is realistic. The Bourdon trade, I think it could have been made a little differently by keeping Girard, giving us a better 2nd line center I think instead of the Tordjman trade, Pavelec would have been a better goalie. So add Bartulis to the list of assest that was sent to Victo since Pavelec was a Euro and conditinal picks/players if he comes back. Cape-Breton weren't top contender, so it might have been possible, especially since we now know with hindsight that they would have been interested in Bartulis.
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Post by SteveUL on Oct 28, 2008 11:38:00 GMT -4
But without that trade, do we win the President's Cup? Nobody knows. I'll take the result before the maybes. Since we are talking about the shoulda coulda.... I am glad Moncton made the best moves they thought to win the president cup. Obviously, what I wish would have happened was for them to win the mem cup final against Quebec. But I don't regret any move they made. However this doesn't mean I was wishing for slightly different players than what they got, but maybe my wish were not possible at all. Here is what I wish we would have done and I think it is realistic. The Bourdon trade, I think it could have been made a little differently by keeping Girard, giving us a better 2nd line center I think instead of the Tordjman trade, Pavelec would have been a better goalie. So add Bartulis to the list of assest that was sent to Victo since Pavelec was a Euro and conditinal picks/players if he comes back. Cape-Breton weren't top contender, so it might have been possible, especially since we now know with hindsight that they would have been interested in Bartulis. All interesting ideas ... but what would those trades look like ? If Girard doesn't go immediately ... you'd still need to send VD something right away besides just Adam (who was bucking the trade) ... I doubt they'd go for it if it is all futures. What would Pavalec cost ... he'd only been in the Q a half season by then and I can't recall if he was stellar right out of the gate. Looking back today he would have obviously done well for us ... but was he even part of the conversation back then ?
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Post by catnut on Oct 28, 2008 11:59:19 GMT -4
The only 2 goalies that were discussed at the time were Tordjman and Tremblay (Gat.)
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Post by forrest on Oct 28, 2008 12:00:18 GMT -4
For the Val-d'Or trade, you're right, we would have had to send somebody right away probably. Eagles and another pick (4th-5th) might have been an idea.
As for Pavelec, I don't remember hearing any rumors about him, but I remember speculating that he would be a good goalie to have for the run. I am pretty certain he was strong right from the beginning with Cape-Breton.
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Post by catnut on Oct 28, 2008 12:02:54 GMT -4
For the Val-d'Or trade, you're right, we would have had to send somebody right away probably. Eagles and another pick (4th-5th) might have been an idea. As for Pavelec, I don't remember hearing any rumors about him, but I remember speculating that he would be a good goalie to have for the run. I am pretty certain he was strong right from the beginning with Cape-Breton. Being younger, he would have cost twice the price.
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dar
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Post by dar on Oct 28, 2008 22:07:09 GMT -4
Don't forget that if we had not acquired Bourdon from Val d'Or, we would not have Barberia and Brannon today. Yes we would have been able to trade Marchand, but that would have been added to our team minus Barberio and Brannon. Come on We paid Val d'Or 6 players/picks plus Val D'or traded 1 of them for 7 players/picks. That's 13 players/picks minus Barberio and Brannon. On top of that all those picks/players were 3rd round or better. I understand at that point this trade had to be made but don't compare Barberio and Brannon to 13 high picks or players Hmm... look things up a bit before you post. The trade listed on the league site list is as follows: Bourdon for 1st round pick 4th round pick Girard Adam The first came back for Marchand. And we sent Samson at XMAS and a 4th round pick when Bourdon showed up in Moncton the following year. And we traded Bourdon for Barberio and Brannon The final result: Bourdon (for two half seasons) Barberio (the following XMAS) Brannon (at the following draft) for Marchand (at the draft) Samson (the following XMAS) Girard Adam and 2 4th round picks When you look at the big picture the price was not that bad since we had Bourdon, Marchand and Samson in our lineup for the Memorial Cup. As for the picks Halifax received for Marchand it's a total of 3, as four of those picks have/will be traded back for 2 picks. Another point that was not mentioned... there were 4 20 year olds on the team... one had to go. I'm not saying Girard was the best choice, but someone had to go.
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