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Post by mikeb on Nov 11, 2008 13:55:07 GMT -4
Heard from a very good source that Yetman to Rimouski deal is almost done. That would be foolish on the part of Rimouski. Gougeon is already better than Yetman ... both are 20 ... both are mediocre. I don't think Rimouski is targetting a mediocre 20 YO golatender when they already have one that is better. If Rimouski want to upgrade on Gougeon with a 20 YO goaltender they will go after Nadeau. I see no market for Yetman ... none whatsoever ... he doesn't finish enough games ... doesn't steal many ... and doesn't give you a chance to win everynight. Gougeon is horrible. He always was. Yetman is better and I have seen Yetman as many times as you and Gougeon more. Don't you remember how many, many times you posted how the Titan ruined Gougeon. Yetman is an upgrade on Gougeon, but just not big enough. Rim need someone much better than both those guys.
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Post by Michael Phelps on Nov 11, 2008 23:11:07 GMT -4
That would be foolish on the part of Rimouski. Gougeon is already better than Yetman ... both are 20 ... both are mediocre. I don't think Rimouski is targetting a mediocre 20 YO golatender when they already have one that is better. If Rimouski want to upgrade on Gougeon with a 20 YO goaltender they will go after Nadeau. I see no market for Yetman ... none whatsoever ... he doesn't finish enough games ... doesn't steal many ... and doesn't give you a chance to win everynight. Gougeon is horrible. He always was. Yetman is better and I have seen Yetman as many times as you and Gougeon more. Don't you remember how many, many times you posted how the Titan ruined Gougeon. Yetman is an upgrade on Gougeon, but just not big enough. Rim need someone much better than both those guys. Believe me, i was literally the first one to call it bullshit becuase it doesn't make sense to me either. But I was told again rescently that the deal is almost stitched up.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 11, 2008 23:33:18 GMT -4
"Im not..im expecting Kirkpatrick plus plus"? How much better is MacMillan"? I watched Sundays game in CB and Kirkpatrick is one of the top dogs out their. He is the type of player your going to want if you are going to make a run for it and a leader as well. Don't see that trade being worth it for SJ. What about Anthony? A year younger than Kirky and a ton of skill and poential. Id prefer Both... People forget how much prices are inflated during Mem Cup seasons. Perhaps Saint John wont pay that price, but Halifax will get more than Kirkpatrick value for MacMillan. Prices are inflated but only for impact players a la Bourdon/Marchand type guys...I don't see MacMillan being a guy teams will pay a huge price for, if Halifax is trying to get a high pick plus a top young player I think they'll be left holding the bag. A team could add a guy like Chabot, Petit, Desjardins, Joly, Faille, Jezegou, Laroche, Roussel, Doyle or Lachaine depending on what they are willing to pay. Why pay twice the price for a guy that's about equal or only a bit better?
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Post by lalalaprise on Nov 12, 2008 0:20:44 GMT -4
Id prefer Both... People forget how much prices are inflated during Mem Cup seasons. Perhaps Saint John wont pay that price, but Halifax will get more than Kirkpatrick value for MacMillan. Prices are inflated but only for impact players a la Bourdon/Marchand type guys...I don't see MacMillan being a guy teams will pay a huge price for, if Halifax is trying to get a high pick plus a top young player I think they'll be left holding the bag. A team could add a guy like Chabot, Petit, Desjardins, Joly, Faille, Jezegou, Laroche, Roussel, Doyle or Lachaine depending on what they are willing to pay. Why pay twice the price for a guy that's about equal or only a bit better? And of those guys you listed, they are either 20...and teh 18's and 19's will have a huge price tag cause its guys who will be back like Roussel, Laroche, Desjardins and Doyle. None of the players you listed are in MacMillan's situation being 19 and not coming back. Thus his value wont be as high as say a guy like Desjardins, who will play 1.5 years not 0.5 and Logan doesnt take a 20 spot like the 20's you listed.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 12, 2008 9:41:04 GMT -4
Prices are inflated but only for impact players a la Bourdon/Marchand type guys...I don't see MacMillan being a guy teams will pay a huge price for, if Halifax is trying to get a high pick plus a top young player I think they'll be left holding the bag. A team could add a guy like Chabot, Petit, Desjardins, Joly, Faille, Jezegou, Laroche, Roussel, Doyle or Lachaine depending on what they are willing to pay. Why pay twice the price for a guy that's about equal or only a bit better? And of those guys you listed, they are either 20...and teh 18's and 19's will have a huge price tag cause its guys who will be back like Roussel, Laroche, Desjardins and Doyle. None of the players you listed are in MacMillan's situation being 19 and not coming back. Thus his value wont be as high as say a guy like Desjardins, who will play 1.5 years not 0.5 and Logan doesnt take a 20 spot like the 20's you listed. I know...but SJ has an open 20 spot and Rimouski can dump Joncas plus maybe Gougeon if they don't feel ghe is the goalie to get them to the top(and possibly add a 19 yr old). Plus, a team is a lot more willing to pay a huge price if they think they can recuperate part of the price the following year.
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 12, 2008 10:16:53 GMT -4
That would be foolish on the part of Rimouski. Gougeon is already better than Yetman ... both are 20 ... both are mediocre. I don't think Rimouski is targetting a mediocre 20 YO golatender when they already have one that is better. If Rimouski want to upgrade on Gougeon with a 20 YO goaltender they will go after Nadeau. I see no market for Yetman ... none whatsoever ... he doesn't finish enough games ... doesn't steal many ... and doesn't give you a chance to win everynight. Gougeon is horrible. He always was. Yetman is better and I have seen Yetman as many times as you and Gougeon more. Don't you remember how many, many times you posted how the Titan ruined Gougeon. Yetman is an upgrade on Gougeon, but just not big enough. Rim need someone much better than both those guys. When Gougeon was 17 you saw him more than I did for half a season ... but he is now 20 and has improved since then. I don't think Gougeon is great either ... I think he is better than Yetman but not by much ... but even if he was slightly weaker the trade makes no sense ... just a shuffling of the deck chairs.
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 12, 2008 10:23:09 GMT -4
And of those guys you listed, they are either 20...and teh 18's and 19's will have a huge price tag cause its guys who will be back like Roussel, Laroche, Desjardins and Doyle. None of the players you listed are in MacMillan's situation being 19 and not coming back. Thus his value wont be as high as say a guy like Desjardins, who will play 1.5 years not 0.5 and Logan doesnt take a 20 spot like the 20's you listed. I know...but SJ has an open 20 spot and Rimouski can dump Joncas plus maybe Gougeon if they don't feel ghe is the goalie to get them to the top(and possibly add a 19 yr old). Plus, a team is a lot more willing to pay a huge price if they think they can recuperate part of the price the following year. Rimouski paid a pretty good price to get Gougeon ... so to just dump him as you suggest is a cost also ... wasted assets. Dumping him isn't anything like SJ dumping Paige.
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Post by jimmy on Nov 12, 2008 10:40:37 GMT -4
I know...but SJ has an open 20 spot and Rimouski can dump Joncas plus maybe Gougeon if they don't feel ghe is the goalie to get them to the top(and possibly add a 19 yr old). Plus, a team is a lot more willing to pay a huge price if they think they can recuperate part of the price the following year. Rimouski paid a pretty good price to get Gougeon ... so to just dump him as you suggest is a cost also ... wasted assets. Dumping him isn't anything like SJ dumping Paige. Gougeon is a sunk cost ... what they paid should not be relevant to their current decision ... if they decide they need to upgrade, they should do it ... take the loss on Gougeon and move on, the loss only becomes bigger, not smaller, if they keep him for the year and he torpedoes their chances ...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2008 11:08:50 GMT -4
I know...but SJ has an open 20 spot and Rimouski can dump Joncas plus maybe Gougeon if they don't feel ghe is the goalie to get them to the top(and possibly add a 19 yr old). Plus, a team is a lot more willing to pay a huge price if they think they can recuperate part of the price the following year. Rimouski paid a pretty good price to get Gougeon ... so to just dump him as you suggest is a cost also ... wasted assets. Dumping him isn't anything like SJ dumping Paige. It's not like it wouldn't be unprecedented for a contender to pay for a 20 yr old goalie during the summer and then have to trade for another 20 yr old goalie at the Xmas trading period. ( Val D-or 2 years ago with Vincent then Duchesne) That said, look at Gougeon vs Yetman. I know stats don't tell the whole story but Riki is winning games with Gougeon right now. Would they have been that much better due solely to having Yetman in nets or be that much better off with getting Yetman?? Maybe... maybe not
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 12, 2008 11:18:09 GMT -4
Rimouski paid a pretty good price to get Gougeon ... so to just dump him as you suggest is a cost also ... wasted assets. Dumping him isn't anything like SJ dumping Paige. Gougeon is a sunk cost ... what they paid should not be relevant to their current decision ... if they decide they need to upgrade, they should do it ... take the loss on Gougeon and move on, the loss only becomes bigger, not smaller, if they keep him for the year and he torpedoes their chances ... I don't disagree with you ... but dumping Gougeon is the type of thing that gets GM's fired when they don't achieve the ultimate goal. And for that reason ... a GM is reluctant to do it. Gougeon hasn't been bad for Rimouski ... 2.67 and 0.889 ... but they could do better. I think if they are going to make a move ... Yetman is a foolish choice ... Nadeau would be the smarter choice ... or a 19 YO to open up a 20 slot for another player.
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Post by hockey1981 on Nov 12, 2008 11:20:36 GMT -4
I think D'Orso would be a good choice, he's 19 and playing on a weak team in Val D'Or. He's a better goalie that what he's showing, then you get rid of Gougeon and can get another 20 yr old.
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 12, 2008 11:26:52 GMT -4
I think D'Orso would be a good choice, he's 19 and playing on a weak team in Val D'Or. He's a better goalie that what he's showing, then you get rid of Gougeon and can get another 20 yr old. I know he is better than he is showing ... but I think he should still have respectable numbers. An 0.870 S% is too low for him ... even on a bad team ... he should be up around 0.890 - 0.900. Something is wrong there with him ... not sure I'd want to go there ... unless it was a bargain.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2008 11:27:40 GMT -4
I think D'Orso would be a good choice, he's 19 and playing on a weak team in Val D'Or. He's a better goalie that what he's showing, then you get rid of Gougeon and can get another 20 yr old. His price would be huge; 1) He is 19 and will be back and 2) It is Val D'or
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Post by jimmy on Nov 12, 2008 11:39:57 GMT -4
I think D'Orso would be a good choice, he's 19 and playing on a weak team in Val D'Or. He's a better goalie that what he's showing, then you get rid of Gougeon and can get another 20 yr old. His price would be huge; 1) He is 19 and will be back and 2) It is Val D'or His price must be dropping quickly ... goalies trade value seems to be much more closely linked to what they have done lately than position players .... at this point, his play this year would make him a gamble to contending team ... you don't pay a huge price on a gamble.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2008 11:44:58 GMT -4
His price would be huge; 1) He is 19 and will be back and 2) It is Val D'or His price must be dropping quickly ... goalies trade value seems to be much more closely linked to what they have done lately than position players .... at this point, his play this year would make him a gamble to contending team ... you don't pay a huge price on a gamble. Val D'or always seems to get a king's ransom from contending teams- that was my reasoning with my post. Or maybe they always get the huge payoff from the Mooseheads ;D
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