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Post by gongshow on Dec 15, 2008 14:23:33 GMT -4
It's funny nobody was complaining about the entertainement value in 3 in 3's when Rimouski came here on their 3rd game while the Cats were resting for 4 days ....and that was easily one of the worst hockey games I'd been to in a long time. For the record I agree that 3 in 3's suck......but they suck even worst when one of the 2 teams has been resting. If you had bothered reading pre and post game posts, you'd see that people were complaining. Wasn't very much complaining.....mostly it was a debate over whether or not Moncton had an easy schedule.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Dec 15, 2008 14:24:46 GMT -4
I'm sure teams are fighting over who's gonna pay the most for Lahey.......20YO 4th liners aren't exactly a dime a dozen or anything. He could play 2nd or 3rd line on most Q teams. He's a 45-50 point guy that can bring some size. I think he could bring a 4th to 6th back depending on market. SJ got an 8th for Page and Leahy is twice the player he is. Is there a reason you continously use the spelling "Leahy" even in threads where his name is written "Lahey" in every other post.. lol
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 15, 2008 14:27:57 GMT -4
If you had bothered reading pre and post game posts, you'd see that people were complaining. Wasn't very much complaining.....mostly it was a debate over whether or not Moncton had an easy schedule. It's not about hard or easy schedule, every team has them, it's about them runing the entertinment value.
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Post by gongshow on Dec 15, 2008 14:29:22 GMT -4
I'm sure teams are fighting over who's gonna pay the most for Lahey.......20YO 4th liners aren't exactly a dime a dozen or anything. He could play 2nd or 3rd line on most Q teams. He's a 45-50 point guy that can bring some size. I think he could bring a 4th to 6th back depending on market. SJ got an 8th for Page and Leahy is twice the player he is. His 10 points in 26 games at 20 doesn't really make me believe he's a 40-50 guy...he's a 3rd line crash and banger...nothing more....if he was a 50 point guy wouldn't he be playing on the Cats 2nd or 3rd line?...christ there's only about 5 guys on the current roster on pace for 50 points this year. Then again you do bring up a good point about Page finding a home in Gatineau.....and from what I've seen of Page Lahey is definitely better.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 15, 2008 14:35:45 GMT -4
He could play 2nd or 3rd line on most Q teams. He's a 45-50 point guy that can bring some size. I think he could bring a 4th to 6th back depending on market. SJ got an 8th for Page and Leahy is twice the player he is. His 10 points in 26 games at 20 doesn't really make me believe he's a 40-50 guy...he's a 3rd line crash and banger...nothing more....if he was a 50 point guy wouldn't he be playing on the Cats 2nd or 3rd line?...christ there's only about 5 guys on the current roster on pace for 50 points this year. Then again you do bring up a good point about Page finding a home in Gatineau.....and from what I've seen of Page Lahey is definitely better. If he was playing top 6 and getting PP time his offense would increase. He's on pace for around 30 points playing 8-12 minutes a night. On a team like BC, Bathurst or Gatineau if they move their 20's, he could help offset that loss.
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Post by bois on Dec 15, 2008 14:41:48 GMT -4
everyone in Moncton is a 55-60 point player
despite the fact Moncton looks like they might only have 2 60 point players on their team lol
call it Billy inflation
we just talked about the dry market for 20's and now suddenly he thinks Lahey is worth a 4th lol
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Post by gongshow on Dec 15, 2008 14:46:51 GMT -4
His 10 points in 26 games at 20 doesn't really make me believe he's a 40-50 guy...he's a 3rd line crash and banger...nothing more....if he was a 50 point guy wouldn't he be playing on the Cats 2nd or 3rd line?...christ there's only about 5 guys on the current roster on pace for 50 points this year. Then again you do bring up a good point about Page finding a home in Gatineau.....and from what I've seen of Page Lahey is definitely better. If he was playing top 6 and getting PP time his offense would increase. He's on pace for around 30 points playing 8-12 minutes a night. On a team like BC, Bathurst or Gatineau if they move their 20's, he could help offset that loss. But if you put him on a weaker team...wouldn't his production decrease?Moncton basically rolls 4 lines...he gets a reasonable amount of icetime. There's a reason he's not playing on the PP....you don't think that he should be able to squeeze out a guy like Petersson or Stephens that plays on the 2nd PP unit ?......the reason for it.....he's a crash and bang 3rd liner at best.
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Post by gongshow on Dec 15, 2008 14:52:28 GMT -4
Wasn't very much complaining.....mostly it was a debate over whether or not Moncton had an easy schedule. It's not about hard or easy schedule, every team has them, it's about them runing the entertinment value. I'm not debating that it ruins the entertainement value....I agree 110% about that. I just read the thread once again about the Rimouski game and NOT 1 person complained about the lack of entertainement(you can re-read it yourself if you want).....because Moncton won it wasn't an issue.The only post I seen that somewhat complained was from an out of towner and he didn't really mention the lack of entertainement ,he just pointed out that it was easy pickins for Mctn that day....most likely he wasn't even at the game and was just pointing out the obvious.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 15, 2008 14:59:55 GMT -4
everyone in Moncton is a 55-60 point player despite the fact Moncton looks like they might only have 2 60 point players on their team lol call it Billy inflation we just talked about the dry market for 20's and now suddenly he thinks Lahey is worth a 4th lol It the same concept that had Samson and Marquadt having huge point increases the year after the Cats hosted the Memorial Cup(playing 3rd and 4th line). Depth is one of the strengths of this team, guys like Stephens Brown Famin and Lahey playing 3rd and 4th line.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 15, 2008 15:04:15 GMT -4
It's not about hard or easy schedule, every team has them, it's about them runing the entertinment value. I'm not debating that it ruins the entertainement value....I agree 110% about that. I just read the thread once again about the Rimouski game and NOT 1 person complained about the lack of entertainement(you can re-read it yourself if you want).....because Moncton won it wasn't an issue.The only post I seen that somewhat complained was from an out of towner and he didn't really mention the lack of entertainement ,he just pointed out that it was easy pickins for Mctn that day....most likely he wasn't even at the game and was just pointing out the obvious. I remember talking about it on here and at the game last week, it may not have been in that thread.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 15, 2008 15:09:04 GMT -4
If he was playing top 6 and getting PP time his offense would increase. He's on pace for around 30 points playing 8-12 minutes a night. On a team like BC, Bathurst or Gatineau if they move their 20's, he could help offset that loss. But if you put him on a weaker team...wouldn't his production decrease?Moncton basically rolls 4 lines...he gets a reasonable amount of icetime. There's a reason he's not playing on the PP....you don't think that he should be able to squeeze out a guy like Petersson or Stephens that plays on the 2nd PP unit ?......the reason for it.....he's a crash and bang 3rd liner at best. The reason he is not playing PP is the Cats have a lot of depth up front. You have 9 guys that should legitimately be on the PP and only 6 spots.Famin has 10 goals in 26 games(nearly 30 goal pace) and he wasn't on the regular PP. Usually Stephens Bissonnette and Brannon were the 2nd unit. Brown and MacAusland also rarely get PP time.
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Post by SteveUL on Dec 15, 2008 15:09:29 GMT -4
If he was playing top 6 and getting PP time his offense would increase. He's on pace for around 30 points playing 8-12 minutes a night. On a team like BC, Bathurst or Gatineau if they move their 20's, he could help offset that loss. But if you put him on a weaker team...wouldn't his production decrease?Moncton basically rolls 4 lines...he gets a reasonable amount of icetime. There's a reason he's not playing on the PP....you don't think that he should be able to squeeze out a guy like Petersson or Stephens that plays on the 2nd PP unit ?......the reason for it.....he's a crash and bang 3rd liner at best. I think his production would increase on a weaker team. He gets very little PP time here and does not get a regular shift. Our 1st and 2nd lines are out there 2-3 shifts for every shift that Lahey gets. If he plays on a team where he gets regular top 6 forward minutes ... plus PP time ... he'd get far more production. IMO ... Lahey is better than Biduke ... and Biduke showed he could produce given decent icetime. I do get the feeling though that Lahey is getting fed up ... being 20 and having to battle 16 and 17 YOs for icetime ... and not getting the high end linemates he wants. I can understand him being that way ... too bad ... but if he doesn't become a better team guy then he will be on the way out. The thing about Lahey us he didn't cost us anything and so we can walk away from him also without really losing anything. He did cost us Biduke ... but he didn't cost us anything either. We don't have to trade either of them ... we can just send him home. I think we need a pure goal scorer on this team ... we lack that game breaker guy against stronger defensive teams. I'd be all for upgrading on Lahey with a guy like Monahan ... he has spectacular speed and put up 38 goals last year ... at a slower pace this year on a bad team in VD. I'd much rather add some offense up front than tinker with our best in the Q defense.
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Post by gongshow on Dec 15, 2008 15:52:51 GMT -4
But if you put him on a weaker team...wouldn't his production decrease?Moncton basically rolls 4 lines...he gets a reasonable amount of icetime. There's a reason he's not playing on the PP....you don't think that he should be able to squeeze out a guy like Petersson or Stephens that plays on the 2nd PP unit ?......the reason for it.....he's a crash and bang 3rd liner at best. I think his production would increase on a weaker team. He gets very little PP time here and does not get a regular shift. Our 1st and 2nd lines are out there 2-3 shifts for every shift that Lahey gets. If he plays on a team where he gets regular top 6 forward minutes ... plus PP time ... he'd get far more production. IMO ... Lahey is better than Biduke ... and Biduke showed he could produce given decent icetime. I do get the feeling though that Lahey is getting fed up ... being 20 and having to battle 16 and 17 YOs for icetime ... and not getting the high end linemates he wants. I can understand him being that way ... too bad ... but if he doesn't become a better team guy then he will be on the way out. The thing about Lahey us he didn't cost us anything and so we can walk away from him also without really losing anything. He did cost us Biduke ... but he didn't cost us anything either. We don't have to trade either of them ... we can just send him home. I think we need a pure goal scorer on this team ... we lack that game breaker guy against stronger defensive teams. I'd be all for upgrading on Lahey with a guy like Monahan ... he has spectacular speed and put up 38 goals last year ... at a slower pace this year on a bad team in VD. I'd much rather add some offense up front than tinker with our best in the Q defense. I thought Biduke was a way better finisher than Lahey.....and we lack finishers.Lahey has better speed and is a bit more physical....doesn't hit harder than Biduke but hits more often.It's almost a wash but I would say Biduke was more valuable to the team than Lahey is (IMO).Also Biduke was noticeably better this year(better shape)....it would've been interesting to see his production this year on a better team. I agree the Cats could use a game breaker sniper but I'd be scared to pick up Monahan.....for some reason I don't think he's a team-first player by any means.Also other than his 38goal season last year I never really thought of him being anything spectacular.The last 2 seasons he's folded like a cheap tent come playoff time (0pts 6GP in 07 and 2pts 6GP in 08).I think the best option for a 20 yo sniper would be Joly.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 15, 2008 16:02:28 GMT -4
I think his production would increase on a weaker team. He gets very little PP time here and does not get a regular shift. Our 1st and 2nd lines are out there 2-3 shifts for every shift that Lahey gets. If he plays on a team where he gets regular top 6 forward minutes ... plus PP time ... he'd get far more production. IMO ... Lahey is better than Biduke ... and Biduke showed he could produce given decent icetime. I do get the feeling though that Lahey is getting fed up ... being 20 and having to battle 16 and 17 YOs for icetime ... and not getting the high end linemates he wants. I can understand him being that way ... too bad ... but if he doesn't become a better team guy then he will be on the way out. The thing about Lahey us he didn't cost us anything and so we can walk away from him also without really losing anything. He did cost us Biduke ... but he didn't cost us anything either. We don't have to trade either of them ... we can just send him home. I think we need a pure goal scorer on this team ... we lack that game breaker guy against stronger defensive teams. I'd be all for upgrading on Lahey with a guy like Monahan ... he has spectacular speed and put up 38 goals last year ... at a slower pace this year on a bad team in VD. I'd much rather add some offense up front than tinker with our best in the Q defense. I thought Biduke was a way better finisher than Lahey.....and we lack finishers.Lahey has better speed and is a bit more physical....doesn't hit harder than Biduke but hits more often.It's almost a wash but I would say Biduke was more valuable to the team than Lahey is (IMO).Also Biduke was noticeably better this year(better shape)....it would've been interesting to see his production this year on a better team. I agree the Cats could use a game breaker sniper but I'd be scared to pick up Monahan.....for some reason I don't think he's a team-first player by any means.Also other than his 38goal season last year I never really thought of him being anything spectacular.The last 2 seasons he's folded like a cheap tent come playoff time (0pts 6GP in 07 and 2pts 6GP in 08).I think the best option for a 20 yo sniper would be Joly. Biduke was moved for off ice reasons, not because Lahey is the better player. I think the Cats have a lot of finishers, not necessarily star calibre ones except maybe Eagles, but a lot of 25 goal calibre guys, Famin Eagles Brannon Brown. You could go get a 90-100 point centerman like Petit, an upgrade on Cameron who is a 65-70 point calibre one but Stephens would end up 4th line or on the wing.
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Post by ronmac on Dec 15, 2008 18:28:41 GMT -4
It would be nice yo see what Lehey could do on the PP, his a big body who place in front of the net could cause some havoc for the goalie, he can put the puck in the net when he gets the chance, worth looking at IMO.
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