Jason
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Post by Jason on Dec 28, 2008 22:44:25 GMT -4
If tonight is any indication, I think our offense needs more than a Jezigou. His value isn't based on what he's worth to you, its what he brings to us. I don't see copious amounts of impact. So if we offered a Downe or a 2'nd than you have to decide to take it or not. At this point its a buyers game as his benefit to Bathurst if quickly running out and soon will gone. I think we have several players to chose from in similar positions. I also wouldn't do anything without Voinov appearing or possibly Cisse. I know that we can't get more then what teams are willing to pay but the Titan might want too much for him. It's up to the other teams to put an offer in but it's up to the Titan to decide if they want it or not. I have no idea what kind of player Downe is so I can't comment on if I think it's a good return or not. Whats his potential?
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Post by chsb on Dec 28, 2008 23:04:05 GMT -4
If tonight is any indication, I think our offense needs more than a Jezigou. His value isn't based on what he's worth to you, its what he brings to us. I don't see copious amounts of impact. So if we offered a Downe or a 2'nd than you have to decide to take it or not. At this point its a buyers game as his benefit to Bathurst if quickly running out and soon will gone. I think we have several players to chose from in similar positions. I also wouldn't do anything without Voinov appearing or possibly Cisse. Which [player of your present edition would you trade above a 2nd round pick? Brown? That will be the price for an impact OA this season.
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Post by chsb on Dec 28, 2008 23:07:05 GMT -4
If tonight is any indication, I think our offense needs more than a Jezigou. His value isn't based on what he's worth to you, its what he brings to us. I don't see copious amounts of impact. So if we offered a Downe or a 2'nd than you have to decide to take it or not. At this point its a buyers game as his benefit to Bathurst if quickly running out and soon will gone. I think we have several players to chose from in similar positions. I also wouldn't do anything without Voinov appearing or possibly Cisse. I know that we can't get more then what teams are willing to pay but the Titan might want too much for him. It's up to the other teams to put an offer in but it's up to the Titan to decide if they want it or not. I have no idea what kind of player Downe is so I can't comment on if I think it's a good return or not. Whats his potential? According to CP, Downe is a #4-5 potential type D....is that enough with a couple picks? I say no! Now, as long as the sellers hold their own until later in the trade period, the buyers will be the first ones to sink in as they are the ones who need the sellers to repllenish what is missing for a run....specially that Cup is in the Q this season.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 28, 2008 23:08:03 GMT -4
If tonight is any indication, I think our offense needs more than a Jezigou. His value isn't based on what he's worth to you, its what he brings to us. I don't see copious amounts of impact. So if we offered a Downe or a 2'nd than you have to decide to take it or not. At this point its a buyers game as his benefit to Bathurst if quickly running out and soon will gone. I think we have several players to chose from in similar positions. I also wouldn't do anything without Voinov appearing or possibly Cisse. I know that we can't get more then what teams are willing to pay but the Titan might want too much for him. It's up to the other teams to put an offer in but it's up to the Titan to decide if they want it or not. I have no idea what kind of player Downe is so I can't comment on if I think it's a good return or not. Whats his potential? Downe projects a lot like Renaud. A solid #3-4 on a good team, a guy that is solid defensively and makes a good 1st pass. He probably will never be an all-star, but he could provide 3-4 years of strong play.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 28, 2008 23:10:45 GMT -4
I know that we can't get more then what teams are willing to pay but the Titan might want too much for him. It's up to the other teams to put an offer in but it's up to the Titan to decide if they want it or not. I have no idea what kind of player Downe is so I can't comment on if I think it's a good return or not. Whats his potential? According to CP, Downe is a #4-5 potential type D....is that enough with a couple picks? I say no! Now, as long as the sellers hold their own until later in the trade period, the buyers will be the first ones to sink in as they are the ones who need the sellers to repllenish what is missing for a run....specially that Cup is in the Q this season. He projects to be a guy like Renaud. If you can get him plus a 2nd or 3rd for Jezegou, that's very good return. You won't get Marchand/Bourdon type return for a Jezegou. The market for 20's is a lot less than what some teams are asking, that's why Bathurst, BC and others have not moved their 20's yet.
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Post by buckybuckbuck on Dec 28, 2008 23:14:12 GMT -4
If tonight is any indication, I think our offense needs more than a Jezigou. His value isn't based on what he's worth to you, its what he brings to us. I don't see copious amounts of impact. So if we offered a Downe or a 2'nd than you have to decide to take it or not. At this point its a buyers game as his benefit to Bathurst if quickly running out and soon will gone. I think we have several players to chose from in similar positions. I also wouldn't do anything without Voinov appearing or possibly Cisse. Which [player of your present edition would you trade above a 2nd round pick? Brown? That will be the price for an impact OA this season. I'm not sure what your saying here. Are you saying Brown for Jezigou? That would never ever happen. I think its a good thing for both of us that this rumor is all BS anyway.
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rudolph
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Post by rudolph on Dec 28, 2008 23:16:57 GMT -4
If tonight is any indication, I think our offense needs more than a Jezigou. His value isn't based on what he's worth to you, its what he brings to us. I don't see copious amounts of impact. So if we offered a Downe or a 2'nd than you have to decide to take it or not. At this point its a buyers game as his benefit to Bathurst if quickly running out and soon will gone. I think we have several players to chose from in similar positions. I also wouldn't do anything without Voinov appearing or possibly Cisse. Which [player of your present edition would you trade above a 2nd round pick? Brown? That will be the price for an impact OA this season. yeah, whatever
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Post by Murph on Dec 28, 2008 23:28:58 GMT -4
If tonight is any indication, I think our offense needs more than a Jezigou. His value isn't based on what he's worth to you, its what he brings to us. I don't see copious amounts of impact. So if we offered a Downe or a 2'nd than you have to decide to take it or not. At this point its a buyers game as his benefit to Bathurst if quickly running out and soon will gone. I think we have several players to chose from in similar positions. I also wouldn't do anything without Voinov appearing or possibly Cisse. Which [player of your present edition would you trade above a 2nd round pick? Brown? That will be the price for an impact OA this season. Jezegou isn't an impact overager. He's a 2nd line player. Personally, I think Moncton is loaded with steady 2nd line players like Jezegou. They need 1st line players.... guys that can make players around them better. Right now, there are none. Teams don't go up against Moncton, looking at a certain individual saying "We can't get beat by this guy". Nobody up front scares other teams, yet all the other contenders either have, or will have those types of guys. Teams don't traditionally win without that type of player in this league. Even Lewiston had guys like Perron, Giliati, Faubert, Denny...... teams had to key on those guys. Nobody's keying on Cameron or Eagles. Plus Riopel, for as good of a year he's had, isn't Jonathan Bernier. The similarities between that Lewiston team, and this Moncton team are many, but they certainly had more punch than this years Wildcats. Moncton is in a unique situation this year. They have a lot of draft picks, and a bunch of good looking prospects. Moncton can make a blockbuster deal, and still have enough leftover to remain competitive in years to come. It's only every 3 years that the Q sends two teams to the Memorial Cup, so you may as well play the percentages. I've heard a rumor that Moncton and Montreal are talking "major" deal. I don't know the specifics, but guys like Esposito and Brennan are the types of guys teams need to be aware of when they're on the ice. How much better will Barberio be, if teams have to cheat Brennan's side of the ice on the PP? What kind of numbers could Matt Brown put up playing with a guy like Esposito? This team isn't Lewiston yet (Cape Breton is closer to being that team than Moncton). If you do nothing significant, you'll just be another solid club that can make some noise, but certainly not a favorite. Every year that goes by, you watch assets walk out the door. Players get older. Prospects become more known. Guys like Bissonette, MacAusland, O'Brien, Downe, LBD..... while they may reach potential, could also fizzle out, and some might have much less value than say this time next year if you want to make a run. As good as Moncton's record has been thus far..... it's not that good against the top teams. Granted, you've played the top teams close..... but those top teams are adding players, and the gap will widen if you don't keep up.
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Jason
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Post by Jason on Dec 28, 2008 23:38:29 GMT -4
According to CP, Downe is a #4-5 potential type D....is that enough with a couple picks? I say no! Now, as long as the sellers hold their own until later in the trade period, the buyers will be the first ones to sink in as they are the ones who need the sellers to repllenish what is missing for a run....specially that Cup is in the Q this season. He projects to be a guy like Renaud. If you can get him plus a 2nd or 3rd for Jezegou, that's very good return. You won't get Marchand/Bourdon type return for a Jezegou. The market for 20's is a lot less than what some teams are asking, that's why Bathurst, BC and others have not moved their 20's yet. If he has the potential to be a renaud type player then I think it's a good deal for the Titan. Jezigou is an impact player on the Titan but on most other teams he's a good 2nd liner. If the Titan really want to contend in a few years then they would definatly want him to make a solid 2nd pairing. This is assuming that de develops as projected. The draft pick would also be benificial to making a run down the line. As much as I like Jezegou I think what we get will be needed more when we make a run then Jezegou is now.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 28, 2008 23:54:31 GMT -4
Which [player of your present edition would you trade above a 2nd round pick? Brown? That will be the price for an impact OA this season. Jezegou isn't an impact overager. He's a 2nd line player. Personally, I think Moncton is loaded with steady 2nd line players like Jezegou. They need 1st line players.... guys that can make players around them better. Right now, there are none. Teams don't go up against Moncton, looking at a certain individual saying "We can't get beat by this guy". Nobody up front scares other teams, yet all the other contenders either have, or will have those types of guys. Teams don't traditionally win without that type of player in this league. Even Lewiston had guys like Perron, Giliati, Faubert, Denny...... teams had to key on those guys. Nobody's keying on Cameron or Eagles. Plus Riopel, for as good of a year he's had, isn't Jonathan Bernier. The similarities between that Lewiston team, and this Moncton team are many, but they certainly had more punch than this years Wildcats. Moncton is in a unique situation this year. They have a lot of draft picks, and a bunch of good looking prospects. Moncton can make a blockbuster deal, and still have enough leftover to remain competitive in years to come. It's only every 3 years that the Q sends two teams to the Memorial Cup, so you may as well play the percentages. I've heard a rumor that Moncton and Montreal are talking "major" deal. I don't know the specifics, but guys like Esposito and Brennan are the types of guys teams need to be aware of when they're on the ice. How much better will Barberio be, if teams have to cheat Brennan's side of the ice on the PP? What kind of numbers could Matt Brown put up playing with a guy like Esposito? This team isn't Lewiston yet (Cape Breton is closer to being that team than Moncton). If you do nothing significant, you'll just be another solid club that can make some noise, but certainly not a favorite. Every year that goes by, you watch assets walk out the door. Players get older. Prospects become more known. Guys like Bissonette, MacAusland, O'Brien, Downe, LBD..... while they may reach potential, could also fizzle out, and some might have much less value than say this time next year if you want to make a run. As good as Moncton's record has been thus far..... it's not that good against the top teams. Granted, you've played the top teams close..... but those top teams are adding players, and the gap will widen if you don't keep up. The Cats' record against the other 4 top 5 teams(there is an 8 point gap from 5th to 6th). vs Shaw won 4-2 at CB won 6-0 at Que won 4-3 at Dru lost 3-2 at CB won 2-1 vs CB lost 3-0 at CB lost 3-2(SO) That's 4-2-1 against the top teams. 20 GF 15 GAA
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Post by chsb on Dec 28, 2008 23:56:42 GMT -4
According to CP, Downe is a #4-5 potential type D....is that enough with a couple picks? I say no! Now, as long as the sellers hold their own until later in the trade period, the buyers will be the first ones to sink in as they are the ones who need the sellers to repllenish what is missing for a run....specially that Cup is in the Q this season. He projects to be a guy like Renaud. If you can get him plus a 2nd or 3rd for Jezegou, that's very good return. You won't get Marchand/Bourdon type return for a Jezegou. The market for 20's is a lot less than what some teams are asking, that's why Bathurst, BC and others have not moved their 20's yet. You are the one who described Downe, not me. What you are now saying is that Renaud is a #4-5 D.... The market for 20's will remain tight until the "real" contenders get close to the deadline. They will then move and offer more significant return to the sellers. The Titan are in no rush to sell....contrary to a few teams who will not make the playoffs or stand a good chance of missing them. They rather sit in a comfortable position to give experience to their rookies and bloom them with seasoned veterans. In their case, it is surely not a desperation option to trade. This is exactly why a Captain like Jezegou will not move unless the Titan get an outrageous offer....and the same goes for Chabot in Gatineau.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 28, 2008 23:59:42 GMT -4
He projects to be a guy like Renaud. If you can get him plus a 2nd or 3rd for Jezegou, that's very good return. You won't get Marchand/Bourdon type return for a Jezegou. The market for 20's is a lot less than what some teams are asking, that's why Bathurst, BC and others have not moved their 20's yet. You are the one who described Downe, not me. What you are now saying is that Renaud is a #4-5 D.... The market for 20's will remain tight until the "real" contenders get close to the deadline. They will then move and offer more significant return to the sellers. The Titan are in no rush to sell....contrary to a few teams who will not make the playoffs or stand a good chance of missing them. They rather sit in a comfortable position to give experience to their rookies and bloom them with seasoned veterans. In their case, it is surely not a desperation option to trade. This is exactly why a Captain like Jezegou will not move unless the Titan get an outrageous offer....and the same goes for Chabot in Gatineau. I don't think they have to move Jezegou, but they need to get something for Paris or Joly. Frechette I can't see being worth trading.
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Post by chsb on Dec 29, 2008 0:05:48 GMT -4
You are the one who described Downe, not me. What you are now saying is that Renaud is a #4-5 D.... The market for 20's will remain tight until the "real" contenders get close to the deadline. They will then move and offer more significant return to the sellers. The Titan are in no rush to sell....contrary to a few teams who will not make the playoffs or stand a good chance of missing them. They rather sit in a comfortable position to give experience to their rookies and bloom them with seasoned veterans. In their case, it is surely not a desperation option to trade. This is exactly why a Captain like Jezegou will not move unless the Titan get an outrageous offer....and the same goes for Chabot in Gatineau. I don't think they have to move Jezegou, but they need to get something for Paris or Joly. Frechette I can't see being worth trading. With the Q hosting the Mem Cup this season, I am not the least worried that the Titan will move either of Joly/Jezegou before January 8th. But....they will not move both unless they get a very significant return for them. Jezegou is close to untouchable on this team....so the offer would have to be gorgeous in order to trade him.
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Post by rudolph on Dec 29, 2008 0:12:02 GMT -4
I don't think they have to move Jezegou, but they need to get something for Paris or Joly. Frechette I can't see being worth trading. With the Q hosting the Mem Cup this season, I am not the least worried that the Titan will move either of Joly/Jezegou before January 8th. But....they will not move both unless they get a very significant return for them. Jezegou is close to untouchable on this team....so the offer would have to be gorgeous in order to trade him. you keep saying with the Q hosting the cup. but in fact it's Rimouski hosting the cup. so it's not 2 Q teams going to the MC but Rimouski + a Q team. the prices for trades will not be that inflated, when Moncton hosted they where for moncton because they had to go for it same as Rimouski now, for the other teams they wont be. and I think rimouski has exhausted their assets already.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 29, 2008 0:35:02 GMT -4
With the Q hosting the Mem Cup this season, I am not the least worried that the Titan will move either of Joly/Jezegou before January 8th. But....they will not move both unless they get a very significant return for them. Jezegou is close to untouchable on this team....so the offer would have to be gorgeous in order to trade him. you keep saying with the Q hosting the cup. but in fact it's Rimouski hosting the cup. so it's not 2 Q teams going to the MC but Rimouski + a Q team. the prices for trades will not be that inflated, when Moncton hosted they where for moncton because they had to go for it same as Rimouski now, for the other teams they wont be. and I think rimouski has exhausted their assets already. I think the reason prices are low is because there are more 20 year olds available than takers with room for them...teams like Moncton, Drum and Shaw already have 2 of their 3 20's as locks. CB has 3 locks. Rimouski can add 2...but I can name 8-10 guys that teams are offering, Legault, Chabot, Petit, Lessard, Ouimet, Bolduc, Joly, Frechette, Paris, Gervais plus maybe Gratchev or Tanguay.
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