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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 28, 2008 9:35:10 GMT -4
I'm very resistent to trade off Downe. He seems to be a big part of Moncton's future. I would much rather keep Lahey. He is doing great IMO. The only problem with Lahey is that he doesn't have enough ice time. Give him more ice time and his stats would be quite different. Lahey is too hot and cold, inconsistant with his effort level. Downe is a good prospect, but he is far from untoucheable.
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Post by buckybuckbuck on Dec 28, 2008 10:57:41 GMT -4
I'm hoping that the rumor is wrong and that it isn't Downe who is going. The trade only insures that we win the second round of the playoffs but it won't win the President cup for us IMHO. It seems to be a move to inspire the Fans who haven't seen that much of the playoffs since 2005-2006. Now having said that it will be in a year when few will have the chance to see them with the curling occupying the rink for most of the playoffs. So how much benefit will it have? I would like to trade one or two of our current forwards that we have now in exchange rather than Downe.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 28, 2008 11:12:42 GMT -4
I'm hoping that the rumor is wrong and that it isn't Downe who is going. The trade only insures that we win the second round of the playoffs but it won't win the President cup for us IMHO. It seems to be a move to inspire the Fans who haven't seen that much of the playoffs since 2005-2006. Now having said that it will be in a year when few will have the chance to see them with the curling occupying the rink for most of the playoffs. So how much benefit will it have? I would like to trade one or two of our current forwards that we have now in exchange rather than Downe. What current forwards would you trade ahead of Downe?
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Post by lalalaprise on Dec 28, 2008 13:20:23 GMT -4
Most teams are looking for current QMJHL players in deals, teams dont really want picks or prospects. If Downe is the price than you take it. He isnt on our team this year, trading him wont effect yoy this year, or the future to be quite honest.
Yeah, he is a pretty good prospect but you have good defensive depth.
Next year: Boyle - 20 Barby - 19 Savard - 19 Jodoin - 19 Dimitruk - 19 Bell - 18 Gormley - 17
Thats 7...6 if Boyle isnt one of your 3 20's...
Downe is better than Bell, but even best case scenario he is your #6 dman next year as a 17 year old.
Its a minor price to pay to add something that can help you right away.
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Post by ronmac on Dec 28, 2008 13:59:03 GMT -4
Most teams are looking for current QMJHL players in deals, teams dont really want picks or prospects. If Downe is the price than you take it. He isnt on our team this year, trading him wont effect yoy this year, or the future to be quite honest. Yeah, he is a pretty good prospect but you have good defensive depth. Next year: Boyle - 20 Am I missing something I only seen Downe in a couple of exhibitions games and he kinda reminded me of a young Matt Boyle ?
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Post by qfan on Dec 28, 2008 14:14:35 GMT -4
Most teams are looking for current QMJHL players in deals, teams dont really want picks or prospects. If Downe is the price than you take it. He isnt on our team this year, trading him wont effect yoy this year, or the future to be quite honest. Yeah, he is a pretty good prospect but you have good defensive depth. Next year: Boyle - 20 Barby - 19 Savard - 19 Jodoin - 19 Dimitruk - 19 Bell - 18 Gormley - 17 Thats 7...6 if Boyle isnt one of your 3 20's... Downe is better than Bell, but even best case scenario he is your #6 dman next year as a 17 year old. Its a minor price to pay to add something that can help you right away. You're right about next year but the problem is that the following year you got 4 20YO on defense. That's why you need to keep Downe in Moncton. Downe will be an elite defensemen at 18 and 19. I feel that whatever the return he fetches right now is not justifiable in 2 years from now. I would rather trade 3 second round picks than Downe.
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Post by lalalaprise on Dec 28, 2008 14:21:07 GMT -4
Most teams are looking for current QMJHL players in deals, teams dont really want picks or prospects. If Downe is the price than you take it. He isnt on our team this year, trading him wont effect yoy this year, or the future to be quite honest. Yeah, he is a pretty good prospect but you have good defensive depth. Next year: Boyle - 20 Barby - 19 Savard - 19 Jodoin - 19 Dimitruk - 19 Bell - 18 Gormley - 17 Thats 7...6 if Boyle isnt one of your 3 20's... Downe is better than Bell, but even best case scenario he is your #6 dman next year as a 17 year old. Its a minor price to pay to add something that can help you right away. You're right about next year but the problem is that the following year you got 4 20YO on defense. That's why you need to keep Downe in Moncton. Downe will be an elite defensemen at 18 and 19. I feel that whatever the return he fetches right now is not justifiable in 2 years from now. I would rather trade 3 second round picks than Downe. You also have 900 draft picks in 2009 and 2010 plus Samuel Cadet, the other kid you took in round 5 last year. Downe is a very minor piece to give up to add what you want. Elite? I seriously doubt that. I think you value Downe a little too much, just my opinion.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 28, 2008 14:23:34 GMT -4
Most teams are looking for current QMJHL players in deals, teams dont really want picks or prospects. If Downe is the price than you take it. He isnt on our team this year, trading him wont effect yoy this year, or the future to be quite honest. Yeah, he is a pretty good prospect but you have good defensive depth. Next year: Boyle - 20 Barby - 19 Savard - 19 Jodoin - 19 Dimitruk - 19 Bell - 18 Gormley - 17 Thats 7...6 if Boyle isnt one of your 3 20's... Downe is better than Bell, but even best case scenario he is your #6 dman next year as a 17 year old. Its a minor price to pay to add something that can help you right away. You're right about next year but the problem is that the following year you got 4 20YO on defense. That's why you need to keep Downe in Moncton. Downe will be an elite defensemen at 18 and 19. I feel that whatever the return he fetches right now is not justifiable in 2 years from now. I would rather trade 3 second round picks than Downe. Downe should be at least a #4 or 5 guy at 18 and 19. Anything more than that is hard to project, he is not tearing it up in MAAA. I'm sure we can draft a couple of guys like him with 2nd rounders.
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Post by jimmy on Dec 28, 2008 14:57:04 GMT -4
Totally agree with Carey and LaLa - if we can get a quality vet for Downe plus a pick, do it and run ... Downe projects as a steady stay at home d-man, with all the picks we have in the coming draft we can replace him. It is not as though he is projected to be the next Barberio or Gormley.
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Post by curtis on Dec 28, 2008 19:00:49 GMT -4
I love this time of year....everybody wants to see a big move, but nobody wants to trade anyone away. You can't have it both ways!
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 28, 2008 21:15:58 GMT -4
I love this time of year....everybody wants to see a big move, but nobody wants to trade anyone away. You can't have it both ways! It's a cost-return thing, that's why Flynn makes the big bucks. He needs to make sure whoever he trades that he gets proper return. It would be dumb for the Cats to trade guys like Savard/Jodoin/Brown/Bissonnette/MacAusland for a rental player. I have no problem trading a 2nd and a guy like Downe or O'Brien for a guy that will make an impact for a half year. The Cats got a 2nd and 4th for Mangan, not Adam and Dion last year, that's the type of trade they need this year.
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Post by chsb on Dec 28, 2008 21:54:40 GMT -4
I love this time of year....everybody wants to see a big move, but nobody wants to trade anyone away. You can't have it both ways! It's a cost-return thing, that's why Flynn makes the big bucks. He needs to make sure whoever he trades that he gets proper return. It would be dumb for the Cats to trade guys like Savard/Jodoin/Brown/Bissonnette/MacAusland for a rental player. I have no problem trading a 2nd and a guy like Downe or O'Brien for a guy that will make an impact for a half year. The Cats got a 2nd and 4th for Mangan, not Adam and Dion last year, that's the type of trade they need this year. There is no way the Titan would move Jezegou for that little return.
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Post by Jason on Dec 28, 2008 22:09:49 GMT -4
Most of Jezigou`s value is what he brings to the team in terms of leadership and work ethic. On top of that he`s proven to be a great player for the Titan this year. I would think that he would be pretty much untouchable.
Any team wishing to get him would probly pay more then fair value becuase of how important he is to the Titan.
Saying that, I would like him to win a championship in his final year. After what he`s been through he really deserves it.
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Post by wingman on Dec 28, 2008 22:21:58 GMT -4
Most of Jezigou`s value is what he brings to the team in terms of leadership and work ethic. On top of that he`s proven to be a great player for the Titan this year. I would think that he would be pretty much untouchable. Any team wishing to get him would probly pay more then fair value becuase of how important he is to the Titan. People were saying the same thing about Clendenning before he got traded to Cape Breton last season.
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Post by buckybuckbuck on Dec 28, 2008 22:24:56 GMT -4
If tonight is any indication, I think our offense needs more than a Jezigou. His value isn't based on what he's worth to you, its what he brings to us. I don't see copious amounts of impact. So if we offered a Downe or a 2'nd than you have to decide to take it or not. At this point its a buyers game as his benefit to Bathurst if quickly running out and soon will gone. I think we have several players to chose from in similar positions. I also wouldn't do anything without Voinov appearing or possibly Cisse.
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