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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2009 12:57:34 GMT -4
Good Luck in Bathurst Yuri thanks for the memories wonder if he'll be in the Titan lineup as our bus left at noon and come back to haunt us tonight? now are we going with Brunet and Bahm as 20's or we gonna hopefully add another 20 thats what Bathurst did they were able to land Yuri because they traded Renaud!!! The only way I see the Mooseheads getting another 20 would be if a contender runs out of overage spots and we get him cheap, then otherwise just go with the kids.
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Post by bernieflagman on Oct 23, 2009 13:05:20 GMT -4
Trade is approuved and listed on the Q website.
Yuri plus a 5 rounds pick
for 3 rd pick in 2011 More details on the website.
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Post by freddy on Oct 23, 2009 15:19:56 GMT -4
Yuri play was not any thing to get any better pick from Bathurst he was cancer to the team this season and for a twenty year old he was not playing as good as a few of our seventeen year olds..He did not have any pop in his game this season and there may have been more fighting with CAM than we know of this season...Best Wishes and thanks for the past four full seasons this was sorry was a bust..
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Post by howitzer on Oct 23, 2009 15:32:46 GMT -4
I dont mind the fact Halifax dealt Cheremetiev, but they got hosed... Leduc and Stinziani are no better than Cheremetiev and they both fetched a 3rd pick straight up. I don't think we got "hosed", that might be a bit strong haha. It wasn't a big enough trade to say anyone got hosed or not. Cam's been trying to deal Cheremetiev since he took over GM and I'd be willing to bet Patenaude was trying last x-mas as well. Thats plenty of time to trade a guy if there's a decent market for him. If this is the deal, then it's probably the best deal we could get. I wouldn't say either team won or lost the deal. Just 2 teams making a lateral move. What has Cheremetiev done in his 5 years to warrant any more of a return? IMO Leduc and Stinziani are a tic above Yuri.
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Post by canbeer on Oct 23, 2009 16:19:32 GMT -4
With how he has been playing lately I don't really see him worth a 3rd rd pick straight up but I like that they upgraded to a 3rd rd pick instead of just going for a 4th or 5th rd pick. I think at this point for current young players and future assets quality is more important than quantity.
The Moose have nine 16-17 on the current roster. Add Boudreau, Lewis and Bishop as good young assets. Five 2010 midget draft picks that would be in the top 40. A 2010 Euro draft pick that will be in the top 10. And now five picks in the top 3 rounds of 2011.
It's good to add a depth of picks while opening up room for youth (MacDonald or Metcalfe for a pick at Christmas for example) but they do have a good amount of current youth with many good picks in the next two years... so going forward I think whether it's picks or young players that upgrading them/quality is more important than quantity at this point.
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Post by Murph on Oct 23, 2009 16:26:39 GMT -4
I dont mind the fact Halifax dealt Cheremetiev, but they got hosed... Leduc and Stinziani are no better than Cheremetiev and they both fetched a 3rd pick straight up. I agree in terms of Chermetiev vs Leduc/Stinziani.... however the more overagers that move around, the fewer teams there are to deal with. With each deal made, the market dries up a little bit. Leduc went 1st and got a 3rd, probably because multiple teams were in negotiations..... then Stinziani goes and lands a 3rd..... however Stinziani is better than Leduc, except there aren't as many teams to play off one another...... and now Yuri, who's as good as Stinziani..... but if Bathurst is the only team in the market, and Halifax really wants to move Yuri, they kind of have to take the final offer Bathurst makes. They can't take it to the next team, and say "beat this".
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Post by milton on Oct 23, 2009 16:30:12 GMT -4
I love the direction this team is headed and really won't miss Cheremetiev. Yes he probably would have scored a few goals etc for us but if it means more playing time for our younger guys then thats awesome. It was going to be a long season even if we had of kept him so really whats the difference. Looking at how canbeer summed it up this is the best position future wise this team has been in for years, and I am excited about that.
I don't think we got hosed and I agree that Yuri is probably a tic below the other 20s who have been dealt so far. Not too sure if we will pick another up but it looks as though Cam is going to stay the course.
Now to address the D. I am fine with Macdonald going to Jr A if it means trimming the roster but I don't want to see Metcalfe play all the time and gillard coming in and out of the lineup. I would like to see him play alot. Metcalfe is more of a liability than anything IMO and Gillard has earned his spot.
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Post by Murph on Oct 23, 2009 16:54:20 GMT -4
I love the direction this team is headed and really won't miss Cheremetiev. Yes he probably would have scored a few goals etc for us but if it means more playing time for our younger guys then thats awesome. It was going to be a long season even if we had of kept him so really whats the difference. Looking at how canbeer summed it up this is the best position future wise this team has been in for years, and I am excited about that. I don't think we got hosed and I agree that Yuri is probably a tic below the other 20s who have been dealt so far. Not too sure if we will pick another up but it looks as though Cam is going to stay the course. Now to address the D. I am fine with Macdonald going to Jr A if it means trimming the roster but I don't want to see Metcalfe play all the time and gillard coming in and out of the lineup. I would like to see him play alot. Metcalfe is more of a liability than anything IMO and Gillard has earned his spot. I don't see how guys can say Chermetiev is a tic below the other guys. Chermetiev had more points last year than Leduc has in his whole career. Stinziani is just as inconsistant as Chermetiev, but even last year, Chermetiev outscored Stinziani, and Stinziani was on a contending team. Chermetiev is better than Leduc, and at worst even with Stinziani. He just got off to a slow start this year. Stinziani only has like 4 points all year against teams other than the Mooseheads. They're pretty comparable guys. The team is now down to 13 forwards. Not impossible to see Metcalfe get some games up front.
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Post by lalalaprise on Oct 23, 2009 16:57:23 GMT -4
I guess 'hosed' was the wrong choice of words, but Cam did himself no favours by benching Yuri, than having him as a healthy scratch and than playing him on the 3rd/4th line.
It was no secret Cam wasnt a fan of Cheremetiev's.
I guess for the long term future of this team it was a good move, but even getting a 5th rd pick is better that swapping a 3rd for a 5th. There really isnt a huge difference between a 3rd and 5th rd pick.
Alex Lemieux was an early 3rd rd pick where as Carl Gelinas was a late 4th...thats pretty much what Halifax did here...there isnt a big difference between the picks.
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Post by canbeer on Oct 23, 2009 17:39:44 GMT -4
I guess 'hosed' was the wrong choice of words, but Cam did himself no favours by benching Yuri, than having him as a healthy scratch and than playing him on the 3rd/4th line. It was no secret Cam wasnt a fan of Cheremetiev's. I guess for the long term future of this team it was a good move, but even getting a 5th rd pick is better that swapping a 3rd for a 5th. There really isnt a huge difference between a 3rd and 5th rd pick. Alex Lemieux was an early 3rd rd pick where as Carl Gelinas was a late 4th...thats pretty much what Halifax did here...there isnt a big difference between the picks. I see the point in comparing the 3rd to the 5th through Lemieux and Gelinas. But you could also look at the fact that Russell got two 3rd rd picks for a 2nd... I'd rather a 3rd than two 5ths. In trading a 3rd can be a more significant piece compared to a 5th. Either way, like you said it's a long term move.
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Post by Briwhel on Oct 23, 2009 17:46:32 GMT -4
I love the direction this team is headed and really won't miss Cheremetiev. Yes he probably would have scored a few goals etc for us but if it means more playing time for our younger guys then thats awesome. It was going to be a long season even if we had of kept him so really whats the difference. Looking at how canbeer summed it up this is the best position future wise this team has been in for years, and I am excited about that. I don't think we got hosed and I agree that Yuri is probably a tic below the other 20s who have been dealt so far. Not too sure if we will pick another up but it looks as though Cam is going to stay the course. Now to address the D. I am fine with Macdonald going to Jr A if it means trimming the roster but I don't want to see Metcalfe play all the time and gillard coming in and out of the lineup. I would like to see him play alot. Metcalfe is more of a liability than anything IMO and Gillard has earned his spot. I don't see how guys can say Chermetiev is a tic below the other guys. Chermetiev had more points last year than Leduc has in his whole career. Stinziani is just as inconsistant as Chermetiev, but even last year, Chermetiev outscored Stinziani, and Stinziani was on a contending team. Chermetiev is better than Leduc, and at worst even with Stinziani. He just got off to a slow start this year. Stinziani only has like 4 points all year against teams other than the Mooseheads. They're pretty comparable guys. The team is now down to 13 forwards. Not impossible to see Metcalfe get some games up front. Cherementiev had 61+ points last year?
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Post by Murph on Oct 23, 2009 17:48:45 GMT -4
I don't see how guys can say Chermetiev is a tic below the other guys. Chermetiev had more points last year than Leduc has in his whole career. Stinziani is just as inconsistant as Chermetiev, but even last year, Chermetiev outscored Stinziani, and Stinziani was on a contending team. Chermetiev is better than Leduc, and at worst even with Stinziani. He just got off to a slow start this year. Stinziani only has like 4 points all year against teams other than the Mooseheads. They're pretty comparable guys. The team is now down to 13 forwards. Not impossible to see Metcalfe get some games up front. Cherementiev had 61+ points last year? I meant to say in the 2nd half......
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Post by Briwhel on Oct 23, 2009 17:52:07 GMT -4
Ok. I'd take Leduc above either other guy because Leduc brought intangibles with him that Yuri couldn't touch, such as actually being willing to make sacrifices for the team.
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Post by thescout on Oct 23, 2009 19:37:27 GMT -4
So Cam isn't and hasn't been a big fan of Yuri's since he took over, that's obvious, since he didn't even get a Letter as a 20 year old. Oh well, big deal. Cam shouldn't be a fan of himself, he is one of the worst coaches in Mooseheads history, and he didn't fair to well at the draft either. Might be able to cloak and dagger it for a bit with last year's pocks, but a majority of them , that the mooseheads and fans have high hopes for, will probably not even make the Q in the next 4 years. A good crew of decent Jr. A players, but thats about it.
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Post by howitzer on Oct 23, 2009 20:45:24 GMT -4
So Cam isn't and hasn't been a big fan of Yuri's since he took over, that's obvious, since he didn't even get a Letter as a 20 year old. Oh well, big deal. Cam shouldn't be a fan of himself, he is one of the worst coaches in Mooseheads history, and he didn't fair to well at the draft either. Might be able to cloak and dagger it for a bit with last year's pocks, but a majority of them , that the mooseheads and fans have high hopes for, will probably not even make the Q in the next 4 years. A good crew of decent Jr. A players, but thats about it. Donger??..............no wait, Adam......
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