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Post by defresh101 on Nov 2, 2009 15:41:39 GMT -4
As for who caused this problem I agree with Donger its too late to point blame. Its a mix of many people and many things, and of course Marcel and Smith are at the root of it.
One thing that these Mooseheads are very lucky to have is the chance to prove themselves based on skill and performance. Many young 15,16, and 17 year olds never had this chance the years leading up to the season they made a run for it with Marchand.
Having Daniel Smith in the line up for 3 or 4 years was very destructive. Now I am not blaming him he was just a kid. And if my dad could have got me into Junior hockey when i was 16 i would have done it too, and I would'nt have been as good as D.Smith probably).
The main point is that too many players development was effected by having Daniel taking up a spot. Not to mention the handicap it put on a well stacked team trying to make a run with a player getting good ice time that was not up to the caliber of the play at the time. Hard enough to win a league championship based on talent alone but to having to compensate for a player that should not even be on the team. Also the resentment it would have caused in the locker room to the players who had to sit while Smith played.
Many will say it cant be the reason why we never won that year because Daniel was in the line up. I would agree but we always go on and on about how Cam needs to play the 16 and 17 year old players. Lest We Forget the Many 16 and 17 year olds that had that chance grabbed from them during that era. Imagine what that team would have been like if Smith was'nt drafted. I believe the ripple effects of that would have caused a stronger team during the run. Now saying all that does not prove anything now...mainly had to get that off my chest, but the one good thing that come out of that long winded story is next time we make a Run we will know that the players on that team had a chance to prove themselves since they been drafted, and if they win it all it will be their destiny to make. Not because they had to sit on a bench because politics had to play their course.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Nov 2, 2009 15:54:09 GMT -4
Not even Scotty Bowman could change Halifax's situation. Russell has done nothing but a good job running the team to this point. The problem is that fans like you have no idea what patience and developing are about. That team is working hard, and as a fan that's all you can ask for. It's not Cam's fault there's no veteran talent to work with. Russell seems to have laid the groundwork for a decent rebuild as GM ... but I have yet to see anything since he has been in charge to suggest that he is anything other than a lousy coach ... His teams underachieve regardless of skill level (loaded, mid-pack, rebuilding) ...As I said, he shows potential as GM, but I don't know how much longer you justify keeping him as head coach - this year is already a lost cause ... but if the Moose keep their current pace, should he be back as coach next year? I agree... its great that the team works hard, and that he is stocking the team with those kind of players... and its great we've been in alot of games until the end... but 1 win is still a big underachievement. This goes along with last years bottom feeding team... and the year before which was a giant mess of inconsistency.... and the year before that where we underachieved and had to basically re-organize the deck chairs, a season that was only saved by a red hot Voracek line down the stretch. To this point he hasnt shown at all he can get more from a team than expected, let alone get what IS expected. Its why I am cautiously optimistic going forward, because I worry when we have built up a strong team again, our coaching could be an achilles heel yet again.
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Post by Beaver Banker on Nov 2, 2009 16:08:59 GMT -4
HIRE MACKENZIE! ;D
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Post by howitzer on Nov 2, 2009 16:49:36 GMT -4
Russell seems to have laid the groundwork for a decent rebuild as GM ... but I have yet to see anything since he has been in charge to suggest that he is anything other than a lousy coach ... His teams underachieve regardless of skill level (loaded, mid-pack, rebuilding) ...As I said, he shows potential as GM, but I don't know how much longer you justify keeping him as head coach - this year is already a lost cause ... but if the Moose keep their current pace, should he be back as coach next year? I agree... its great that the team works hard, and that he is stocking the team with those kind of players... and its great we've been in alot of games until the end... but 1 win is still a big underachievement. This goes along with last years bottom feeding team... and the year before which was a giant mess of inconsistency.... and the year before that where we underachieved and had to basically re-organize the deck chairs, a season that was only saved by a red hot Voracek line down the stretch. To this point he hasnt shown at all he can get more from a team than expected, let alone get what IS expected. Its why I am cautiously optimistic going forward, because I worry when we have built up a strong team again, our coaching could be an achilles heel yet again. When you think about it, we haven't had a really enjoyable, successful season here in almost 4-5 years. The only real shot at a good year was the 07-08 year where we were suppose to be unstopable. We all know how that turned out. And to think, we started out 20-4 that year, and then boom, she all came down. Can't wait till 2011-2012
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Post by howitzer on Nov 2, 2009 17:01:38 GMT -4
why doesn't every one just focus on how to correct problems and stop talking about who caused them.with the worst start in the league we have to point the finger totally at Mr.Russell and believe me i have no problem doing this for when you have the record he had last year and again this year, i have trouble with the fact that he is still gm/coach' then in the metro he says," that was the worst he ever seen his team play"( referring to the last game the moose played .well cam, wake up! it's the coaches job to motivate his team and get them ready.you are the gm/coach and the buck stops with you.this was the team that russell decided to go with and he had the power to make whatever changes he wanted.so lets give up talking about rebuilding and talk about re-coaching an re - gm. any one who believes a five game home stand will change things , better think again.all the fans that used to attend games will decide russell's fate.his door is closing slowly but make no mistake it will soon close all the way. Talking about who and what caused the problems we are having now, puts things in perspective and gives some reasons as to why the team is what it is. But why would you want to do that?? It's much easier just to put your head in the sand and bitch and complain about everything isn't it.....
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Post by hfxfan09 on Nov 2, 2009 17:22:57 GMT -4
I'm really looking forward to the homestand this is the first time this season we have had home cooking, and played for an extended period of time at home I hope we can get some wins, I say we beat Val'dor Fri night!!!!
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Post by freddy on Nov 2, 2009 17:24:47 GMT -4
As I look at this year's team and see holes in the scoring being the main factor we are not winning some games I have started looking at team and think a few things at this time of season...
Our three twenties for starting next season will be the following: Paul Dimitruk,Gerrad Grant, and Pascal Amyot..
I am not happy with the following players and we should move some of them as they are not in future plans of this team: Alex Mac Donald,Spencer Metcalfe,Jordon costello,Matthew Stoddard, Alexandre Bruntet,Jessyko Bernard,Charles Betty..
Both Twenties should be replaced over the next six weeks and sooner if possible...
If we are going to trade off Thomas Knotek do it quickly at Christmas and either get a high draft choice or a really good 18 year old scorer..
But with those players on the block in either pakage deals or what ever we need two to three players that can score for us in second half od season just to be able to say we did our way ..Never mind the play offs let's look at having a good season with development and think play offs next year and some other seasons in future..The time is here to better the product on ice and team too..Maybe like some have said time to look into the past with guys like Shawn coming back again..But please remember this is the first season Cam has been in harge and let's work with him for this season and hope he can pull off some more wonderful trades at December-Janruary Trade Period get that Rabbit out of the hat again CAM we are looking for a better second half of season....
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Post by Gman on Nov 2, 2009 19:24:06 GMT -4
I agree... its great that the team works hard, and that he is stocking the team with those kind of players... and its great we've been in alot of games until the end... but 1 win is still a big underachievement. This goes along with last years bottom feeding team... and the year before which was a giant mess of inconsistency.... and the year before that where we underachieved and had to basically re-organize the deck chairs, a season that was only saved by a red hot Voracek line down the stretch. To this point he hasnt shown at all he can get more from a team than expected, let alone get what IS expected. Its why I am cautiously optimistic going forward, because I worry when we have built up a strong team again, our coaching could be an achilles heel yet again. When you think about it, we haven't had a really enjoyable, successful season here in almost 4-5 years. The only real shot at a good year was the 07-08 year where we were suppose to be unstopable. We all know how that turned out. And to think, we started out 20-4 that year, and then boom, she all came down. Can't wait till 2011-2012 20-4? You sure you have the right year? If you take the first 24 games they were 17-7 www.lhjmq.qc.ca/lang_en/index.php?page=11194745&typ=reg&an=0708&v=v2&report=TeamsIndividualRecordsByGame&filter_id=Hal&subfilter_id=
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Post by Briwhel on Nov 2, 2009 19:37:40 GMT -4
As I look at this year's team and see holes in the scoring being the main factor we are not winning some games I have started looking at team and think a few things at this time of season... Our three twenties for starting next season will be the following: Paul Dimitruk,Gerrad Grant, and Pascal Amyot.. I am not happy with the following players and we should move some of them as they are not in future plans of this team: Alex Mac Donald,Spencer Metcalfe,Jordon costello,Matthew Stoddard, Alexandre Bruntet,Jessyko Bernard,Charles Betty.. Both Twenties should be replaced over the next six weeks and sooner if possible... If we are going to trade off Thomas Knotek do it quickly at Christmas and either get a high draft choice or a really good 18 year old scorer.. But with those players on the block in either pakage deals or what ever we need two to three players that can score for us in second half od season just to be able to say we did our way ..Never mind the play offs let's look at having a good season with development and think play offs next year and some other seasons in future..The time is here to better the product on ice and team too..Maybe like some have said time to look into the past with guys like Shawn coming back again..But please remember this is the first season Cam has been in harge and let's work with him for this season and hope he can pull off some more wonderful trades at December-Janruary Trade Period get that Rabbit out of the hat again CAM we are looking for a better second half of season.... I don't know why you want to dump all these players. I can understand dumping anybody who isn't working hard, but for a guy like Stoddard who works hard but doesn't produce much, he is only going to instill a good attitude in the kids (this year, it would be foolish to bring him back as a 20). Why are you looking to rush the rebuild? You are building defense out, which as Saint John witnessed, one day things will just click with the guys you have (will obviously take some tinkering, but stupid trades to make the team better now will hurt in the long run). Right now, I'd rather watch Halifax play than Bathurst and PEI even though the latter two have better teams. Your kids are learning to play a good style of hockey, which once your team's talent level goes up (probably two years away), you will have one hell of a team.
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Post by howitzer on Nov 2, 2009 20:19:56 GMT -4
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Nov 2, 2009 21:03:45 GMT -4
That's 20-8, not 20-4. A loss is a loss.
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Post by howitzer on Nov 2, 2009 21:07:22 GMT -4
That's 20-8, not 20-4. A loss is a loss. Come on, we're 1-17!!!!! We can't dress it up a little to make us feel better ..............
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Nov 2, 2009 21:08:42 GMT -4
That's 20-8, not 20-4. A loss is a loss. Come on, we're 1-17!!!!! We can't dress it up a little to make us feel better .............. Ok then we're 1-16-0-1. That better?
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Post by howitzer on Nov 2, 2009 21:23:35 GMT -4
1-17-0-1 is the exact situation we're in............we're just sitting back, resting up to make a run in the 2nd half......that's all it is.
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Post by hfxfan09 on Nov 2, 2009 21:26:47 GMT -4
WOW aren't you guys positive I know its reality but come on be positive you never know some of the guys and their families may read these boards so don't trash them too hard, I don't understand why people aren't happy with Bety he's been injured the last 2 games and who knows how long before that...Well I for one enjoy watching this team they work hard every night and don't leave the fans disappointed we keep working and the wins will come!!!
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