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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2009 10:14:13 GMT -4
You are neglecting to remember that Brault actually looked like a decent defenseman back in 2003-2004- that is what Lala is saying. Hannay actually looks better than Brault did at the same age but not by a large margin. His skating needs work obviously but that can be worked on- I like his leadership potential, of which Brault never had any, and his toughness, which Brault showed some signs at the start of his second year but faded. Yeah... and even guys like Pender, they often look like they could turn out quite well at 17ish, big, tough, physical etc... but by the time they are 19/20, everyone hates them and wants them released or traded lol because they didnt develop into some #2 stud defenseman that ~some~ people had high hopes for at 17. Guys like Hannay, as its been said, could turn into a 5-6 guy who brings toughness and character, and thats a good player to have. An important player to have, like steve said, a guy who can play but also drop the gloves if needed. He'll get stronger, and better, and will be a nasty guy to play against at 18 and 19. But as its been said, we've had lots of guys, like Brault, who were in that big, tough, character guy mold with average skill who were practically run out of town at 19 as their skills limited their impact. What will help Hannay though is that we have defensemen like Clarke, Abdeltshauser, Gillard in his age group who will play the bigger minutes so he won't be expected to develop into a top pairing guy, though it wouldn't hurt if he did of course. I like what I see out of him as he plays within his limitataions and shows more hockey sense than Pender or Brault did at the same age.
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Nov 17, 2009 11:55:28 GMT -4
Yeah... and even guys like Pender, they often look like they could turn out quite well at 17ish, big, tough, physical etc... but by the time they are 19/20, everyone hates them and wants them released or traded lol because they didnt develop into some #2 stud defenseman that ~some~ people had high hopes for at 17. Guys like Hannay, as its been said, could turn into a 5-6 guy who brings toughness and character, and thats a good player to have. An important player to have, like steve said, a guy who can play but also drop the gloves if needed. He'll get stronger, and better, and will be a nasty guy to play against at 18 and 19. But as its been said, we've had lots of guys, like Brault, who were in that big, tough, character guy mold with average skill who were practically run out of town at 19 as their skills limited their impact. What will help Hannay though is that we have defensemen like Clarke, Abdeltshauser, Gillard in his age group who will play the bigger minutes so he won't be expected to develop into a top pairing guy, though it wouldn't hurt if he did of course. you may be able to add Lewis and Bishop to that mix too but on those the jury is very much still out as to whether they can play to the Q level. But a nice problem to have at this stage. That is something that would just allow Hannay is develop into a tough bottom-pairing guy with no pressure and as was mentioned earlier, anything else becomes a bonus.
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Post by bois on Nov 17, 2009 11:59:12 GMT -4
You're not going to keep 5 guys of the same age group on your defense for years to come.... or you will wind up with a huge dropoff when those guys graduate
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Post by lalalaprise on Nov 17, 2009 12:03:44 GMT -4
You're not going to keep 5 guys of the same age group on your defense for years to come.... or you will wind up with a huge dropoff when those guys graduate True...but for next year Abeltshauser, Clarke, Gillard, Hannay, Lewis and Bishop are all going to be 18 or 17...so they could all play together for 2 seasons. Plus Amyot as a 20 next year... But I dont think Halifax is entirely happy with Bishop, from what ive heard his camp has asked for a trade so we will see what happens there.
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Nov 17, 2009 12:04:22 GMT -4
You're not going to keep 5 guys of the same age group on your defense for years to come.... or you will wind up with a huge dropoff when those guys graduate It's nothing more than pure speculation at this stage but chances are with four current 17s (Gillard, clarke, Abeltshauer, Hannay -I'm pretty sure Bishop and Lewis are 16) that at least 1 maybe 2 return as overagers to loosen the dropoff but you never know hoe good other players coming up through the system may be so that's a scenario that could go both ways.
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Post by sharrow on Nov 17, 2009 13:00:02 GMT -4
I don't think you will see Amyot here after Christmas let alone as an overager, I would give the edge to Dimitruk to be the 20yr old next year.
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Post by hfxfan09 on Nov 17, 2009 17:21:59 GMT -4
Hannay is a good D him and all the young kids are starting to impress me and he's def not afraid to fight!!!
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Post by Fred The Moose on Nov 17, 2009 17:36:04 GMT -4
I think that Hanny will be our fighter for sure and we will have Amyot and Dimitruk,and Grant as 20's next season and Clarke,Gillard,Abeltshsusr,Bishop,Lewis rounding out the rest of defense next season..
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Post by howitzer on Nov 17, 2009 19:31:18 GMT -4
You're not going to keep 5 guys of the same age group on your defense for years to come.... or you will wind up with a huge dropoff when those guys graduate True...but for next year Abeltshauser, Clarke, Gillard, Hannay, Lewis and Bishop are all going to be 18 or 17...so they could all play together for 2 seasons. Plus Amyot as a 20 next year... But I dont think Halifax is entirely happy with Bishop, from what ive heard his camp has asked for a trade so we will see what happens there. Why exactly would his camp ask for a trade?? What would be they're rationale?? He's a 16 yr old kid, who had a decent first training camp, but needed more seasoning in AAA. The team had some injuries, brought him up for a few games (only played once, but he was with the team). Pretty normal course of events for dealing with a rookie player. Hard to see why they/he, whoever, would be unhappy with Halifax and want him moved. Not doubting you that you heard that, just surprising to have something like that out there with a kid so young and raw.
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Post by lalalaprise on Nov 17, 2009 19:39:47 GMT -4
True...but for next year Abeltshauser, Clarke, Gillard, Hannay, Lewis and Bishop are all going to be 18 or 17...so they could all play together for 2 seasons. Plus Amyot as a 20 next year... But I dont think Halifax is entirely happy with Bishop, from what ive heard his camp has asked for a trade so we will see what happens there. Why exactly would his camp ask for a trade?? What would be they're rationale?? He's a 16 yr old kid, who had a decent first training camp, but needed more seasoning in AAA. The team had some injuries, brought him up for a few games (only played once, but he was with the team). Pretty normal course of events for dealing with a rookie player. Hard to see why they/he, whoever, would be unhappy with Halifax and want him moved. Not doubting you that you heard that, just surprising to have something like that out there with a kid so young and raw. He was guaranteed a spot and they cut him...thats basically it. But his traning camp was abysmal so he didnt deserve a spot anyway.
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Post by howitzer on Nov 17, 2009 19:48:09 GMT -4
Why exactly would his camp ask for a trade?? What would be they're rationale?? He's a 16 yr old kid, who had a decent first training camp, but needed more seasoning in AAA. The team had some injuries, brought him up for a few games (only played once, but he was with the team). Pretty normal course of events for dealing with a rookie player. Hard to see why they/he, whoever, would be unhappy with Halifax and want him moved. Not doubting you that you heard that, just surprising to have something like that out there with a kid so young and raw. He was guaranteed a spot and they cut him...thats basically it. But his traning camp was abysmal so he didnt deserve a spot anyway. Does it sound like something that can/will be smoothed over, or do you see a distinct possibility he could be moved?
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Post by lalalaprise on Nov 17, 2009 19:50:34 GMT -4
He was guaranteed a spot and they cut him...thats basically it. But his traning camp was abysmal so he didnt deserve a spot anyway. Does it sound like something that can/will be smoothed over, or do you see a distinct possibility he could be moved? Lets hope it can be smoothed over, it likely will anyway. I dont see Bishop having the equivalent value as to where he was drafted...he has had a poor start to the season, so I cant see Cam trading him anyway.
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Post by Qfan69 on Nov 17, 2009 22:22:19 GMT -4
I think that Hanny will be our fighter for sure and we will have Amyot and Dimitruk,and Grant as 20's next season and Clarke,Gillard,Abeltshsusr,Bishop,Lewis rounding out the rest of defense next season.. I got a feeling that you can be right but you could be wrong too. If the season ended tomorrow, then yes this would be the case. But we still have a month till the trade period, and a lot can happen. Now the reason I think you might be right is because as it stands it doesn't sound or look like Cam's looking to trade Amyot. I know theres better Blue liners out there that are going to be available, but lets say they're all picked up and it's the last week of trading. A team might feel they need a top 3-4 guy for a run. Amyot is now expendable with the picking up of Dimitruk. If someone calls and makes Cam an offer he can't say no to, BYE BYE Amyot.
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Post by canbeer on Nov 18, 2009 1:16:45 GMT -4
Amyot and Bishop to PEI for Oligny and a 3rd rd pick
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Post by howitzer on Nov 18, 2009 22:06:23 GMT -4
Amyot and Bishop to PEI for Oligny and a 3rd rd pick You never know with PEI.....we might be able to pull that off, haha. I was impressed with Oligny last time PEI played here. The Rocket didn't play well as a team, so hard to take a lot from that one game, but he looked good, great skater, good base.
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