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Post by defresh101 on Apr 2, 2010 9:06:08 GMT -4
With a couple of the Jr. A guys... we've heard Ashley is planning to head to Boston U, I believe, but what's the word on Ryan Tesink? Expected to be in the Q next year? The Moose did well drafting Swan in the 4th rd. who I believe won the rookie of the year in Jr. A the year before. Ashley's ranked in the 3rd rd and Tesink in the 2nd... with a few 2nd round pick I'm wondering if Tesink may be a guy they'll target. With playing Jr. A and being a year older he could be a little more Q ready and fit a bit better with a '11-'12 run when he's 18 compared to a 17 year old. You also have Clarke (Burke's linemate and also a year older) who is also ranked in the 2nd round. I know for a fact the Wildcats are very high on Ryan Tesink. And from what I'm hearing---I mentioned this on the Cats board as well---we'll be trading one of either Ted Stephens or Daniel Pettersen, both whom will be 20 year olds next season, to the Mooseheads along with our 3rd round pick in order to move up in the draft to grab Tesink. Why would we give you a 2nd round pick that could give us someone like Tesink, and you give us Stephens or Daniels who are overagers and 30-40pts guys who are producing those type of numbers on a stacked team ranked high in the entire CHL. Why do we need another 2nd to 4th line player who is taking an overager spot. Why not keep Bety at 19 can produce 24pts on the worst team in the league. See what he can do at 20. We already have Grant at 20, and unless Delmas gets a big asking price at the draft he will be here until at least Christmas. I just dont see what makes your 2 guys so great. Going to be a few 20's on the market anyway being turned down from other teams. Shit if your going to do that I would trade my 3rd overall Euro and keep Knotek for the year. What we get for our third overall Euro would be way better than your 2 20 year old guys, and we would have Knotek on our team, and hell even Tesnik. Than next year we can trade Tesnik to you for your best 20 year old and a 3rd round pick.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Apr 2, 2010 9:38:49 GMT -4
I know for a fact the Wildcats are very high on Ryan Tesink. And from what I'm hearing---I mentioned this on the Cats board as well---we'll be trading one of either Ted Stephens or Daniel Pettersen, both whom will be 20 year olds next season, to the Mooseheads along with our 3rd round pick in order to move up in the draft to grab Tesink. Why would we give you a 2nd round pick that could give us someone like Tesink, and you give us Stephens or Daniels who are overagers and 30-40pts guys who are producing those type of numbers on a stacked team ranked high in the entire CHL. Why do we need another 2nd to 4th line player who is taking an overager spot. Why not keep Bety at 19 can produce 24pts on the worst team in the league. See what he can do at 20. We already have Grant at 20, and unless Delmas gets a big asking price at the draft he will be here until at least Christmas. I just dont see what makes your 2 guys so great. Going to be a few 20's on the market anyway being turned down from other teams. Shit if your going to do that I would trade my 3rd overall Euro and keep Knotek for the year. What we get for our third overall Euro would be way better than your 2 20 year old guys, and we would have Knotek on our team, and hell even Tesnik. Than next year we can trade Tesnik to you for your best 20 year old and a 3rd round pick. It's all fine and dandy to have a lot of young talent, but it's good to bring in leaders from winning organisations to help them get to the next level and give them a boost. I'm sure if they get top ice time and PP time, Petterson and Stephens will be more than 30-40 point guys. Both are late bloomers and would get more ice time...Stephens has more skill while Petterson is more of a 2 way guy that can play in all situations and has great speed.
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Post by lalalaprise on Apr 2, 2010 11:10:31 GMT -4
Halifax right now has a sticky overage situation...adding Stephens or Petterson makes it worse and neither of those guys are what id call a large upgrade on Halifax's 3 potential 20's next year.
Amyot and Grant looks like they are for sure next year.
After that you have Delmas still in the picture, Bety as well...to be honest id rather keep Bety and not drop down in the draft than add Stephens or Petterson. Those 2 are more talented players than Bety, but its not worth the drop on draft day.
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Post by Murph on Apr 2, 2010 11:13:09 GMT -4
Why would we give you a 2nd round pick that could give us someone like Tesink, and you give us Stephens or Daniels who are overagers and 30-40pts guys who are producing those type of numbers on a stacked team ranked high in the entire CHL. Why do we need another 2nd to 4th line player who is taking an overager spot. Why not keep Bety at 19 can produce 24pts on the worst team in the league. See what he can do at 20. We already have Grant at 20, and unless Delmas gets a big asking price at the draft he will be here until at least Christmas. I just dont see what makes your 2 guys so great. Going to be a few 20's on the market anyway being turned down from other teams. Shit if your going to do that I would trade my 3rd overall Euro and keep Knotek for the year. What we get for our third overall Euro would be way better than your 2 20 year old guys, and we would have Knotek on our team, and hell even Tesnik. Than next year we can trade Tesnik to you for your best 20 year old and a 3rd round pick. It's all fine and dandy to have a lot of young talent, but it's good to bring in leaders from winning organisations to help them get to the next level and give them a boost. I'm sure if they get top ice time and PP time, Petterson and Stephens will be more than 30-40 point guys. Both are late bloomers and would get more ice time...Stephens has more skill while Petterson is more of a 2 way guy that can play in all situations and has great speed. It's not a bad deal for Halifax in terms of value. Moving down from the 2nd round, to the 3rd round, and getting a guy like Stephens or Pettersen isn't a bad deal. The issues right now, are such: 1- Halifax only makes the deal, if the player they're targetting with their 2nd pick is already gone. Dropping down isn't as big of an issue. 2- Halifax I know is also looking at Alex Beaton as a 20, so depending on cost, they may go with Beaton. 3- The deal would also be dependant on Halifax trading Delmas and Amyot (who I hear could be Bathurst bound), freeing up space for a 20 year old forward. Some other things that could hold the deal up, would be Halifax getting blown away for their euro pick, and keeping Knotek as a 20. Halifax also getting blown away with an offer for Corbeil, and keeping Delmas as a 20. As it stands now, it seems like Grant and Dimitruk will be back as 20's (if Amyot is dealt) so then bringing in another forward, would be to upgrade Bety. While all players mentioned upgrade Bety, dropping down from mid-2nd round to late-3rd round probably isn't worth it.
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Post by lalalaprise on Apr 2, 2010 11:13:58 GMT -4
With a couple of the Jr. A guys... we've heard Ashley is planning to head to Boston U, I believe, but what's the word on Ryan Tesink? Expected to be in the Q next year? The Moose did well drafting Swan in the 4th rd. who I believe won the rookie of the year in Jr. A the year before. Ashley's ranked in the 3rd rd and Tesink in the 2nd... with a few 2nd round pick I'm wondering if Tesink may be a guy they'll target. With playing Jr. A and being a year older he could be a little more Q ready and fit a bit better with a '11-'12 run when he's 18 compared to a 17 year old. You also have Clarke (Burke's linemate and also a year older) who is also ranked in the 2nd round. University of Maine for Ashley, and ive heard Tesink is thinking about the college route after how his older brother was treated...although its not like Brad was treated unfairly...he was just drafted too high, thus too much pressure, and we all know how that goes. Swan won Rookie of the Year at 16 in Jr A but Geoff Walker should have won it...he was the same age and had double the points. Im not sure why they have Clarke ahead of Ashley...it could be that they under ranked Ashley because he is going NCAA, like they did with Philippe Hudon. But in my opinion Ashley is the best 93 in the draft bar none.
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Post by Murph on Apr 2, 2010 11:16:59 GMT -4
With a couple of the Jr. A guys... we've heard Ashley is planning to head to Boston U, I believe, but what's the word on Ryan Tesink? Expected to be in the Q next year? The Moose did well drafting Swan in the 4th rd. who I believe won the rookie of the year in Jr. A the year before. Ashley's ranked in the 3rd rd and Tesink in the 2nd... with a few 2nd round pick I'm wondering if Tesink may be a guy they'll target. With playing Jr. A and being a year older he could be a little more Q ready and fit a bit better with a '11-'12 run when he's 18 compared to a 17 year old. You also have Clarke (Burke's linemate and also a year older) who is also ranked in the 2nd round. University of Maine for Ashley, and ive heard Tesink is thinking about the college route after how his older brother was treated...although its not like Brad was treated unfairly...he was just drafted too high, thus too much pressure, and we all know how that goes. Swan won Rookie of the Year at 16 in Jr A but Geoff Walker should have won it...he was the same age and had double the points. Im not sure why they have Clarke ahead of Ashley...it could be that they under ranked Ashley because he is going NCAA, like they did with Philippe Hudon. But in my opinion Ashley is the best 93 in the draft bar none. I hear Ashely could step into the Q next year and put up a ppg. Do you feel the same way?
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Post by lalalaprise on Apr 2, 2010 11:29:33 GMT -4
University of Maine for Ashley, and ive heard Tesink is thinking about the college route after how his older brother was treated...although its not like Brad was treated unfairly...he was just drafted too high, thus too much pressure, and we all know how that goes. Swan won Rookie of the Year at 16 in Jr A but Geoff Walker should have won it...he was the same age and had double the points. Im not sure why they have Clarke ahead of Ashley...it could be that they under ranked Ashley because he is going NCAA, like they did with Philippe Hudon. But in my opinion Ashley is the best 93 in the draft bar none. I hear Ashely could step into the Q next year and put up a ppg. Do you feel the same way? Agree with that... I think if put in the right situation, like Halifax...where he would play 2nd line and likely bounce around between 1st and 2nd PP, he could easily put up 55 points...I think 60-70 points isnt out of the realm of possibility but id peg him for 50-55 points, but then again I prefer to be conservative when predicting point totals for rookies.
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Post by Qfan69 on Apr 2, 2010 12:10:02 GMT -4
3- The deal would also be dependant on Halifax trading Delmas and Amyot (who I hear could be Bathurst bound), freeing up space for a 20 year old forward. Where did you hear that? Who would be coming this way if that goes down?
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Post by sharrow on Apr 2, 2010 13:38:30 GMT -4
After reading the article from Russell I'm more convinced then ever tha our 2nd overall pick is for sale providing that we can get a reasonable 1st rd pick that enables us to get the forward we want, again I'm asking Lala what could this 2nd overall pick worth to someone who needs a top d-man in terms of picks.
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Post by sharrow on Apr 2, 2010 13:39:43 GMT -4
That should read Russell's comments in this mornings Herald
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Post by lalalaprise on Apr 2, 2010 13:56:54 GMT -4
After reading the article from Russell I'm more convinced then ever tha our 2nd overall pick is for sale providing that we can get a reasonable 1st rd pick that enables us to get the forward we want, again I'm asking Lala what could this 2nd overall pick worth to someone who needs a top d-man in terms of picks. There are too many variables... - Which team is looking to trade up? - How much does this team like a player they can get at #2 vs wherever they are picking - What other assets do they have that they are willing to move, and that the Mooseheads want - Would this teams pick be high enough to enable Halifax to get the player they want. Lets take for example Gatineau...they pick 7th overall...would they be willing to flip the 7th pick for the 2nd pick? Who knows...but if I was Gatineau I wouldnt...id just pick whatever is left at 7, there isnt a large difference. Teams outside the top 10 may be more willing to jump up...but that would be too far back for Halifax to grab a guy they want. Like I said....with the way this draft is shaping up, teams picking in the 4-8 range arent going to give you much to flip with the #2 pick. Might only be a 3rd rd pick...
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Post by expos on Apr 2, 2010 16:53:45 GMT -4
With a couple of the Jr. A guys... we've heard Ashley is planning to head to Boston U, I believe, but what's the word on Ryan Tesink? Expected to be in the Q next year? The Moose did well drafting Swan in the 4th rd. who I believe won the rookie of the year in Jr. A the year before. Ashley's ranked in the 3rd rd and Tesink in the 2nd... with a few 2nd round pick I'm wondering if Tesink may be a guy they'll target. With playing Jr. A and being a year older he could be a little more Q ready and fit a bit better with a '11-'12 run when he's 18 compared to a 17 year old. You also have Clarke (Burke's linemate and also a year older) who is also ranked in the 2nd round. University of Maine for Ashley, and ive heard Tesink is thinking about the college route after how his older brother was treated...although its not like Brad was treated unfairly...he was just drafted too high, thus too much pressure, and we all know how that goes. Swan won Rookie of the Year at 16 in Jr A but Geoff Walker should have won it...he was the same age and had double the points. Im not sure why they have Clarke ahead of Ashley...it could be that they under ranked Ashley because he is going NCAA, like they did with Philippe Hudon. But in my opinion Ashley is the best 93 in the draft bar none. I see Ashely sporting a Sea Dog jersey, the family and Turk are good friends. Last year SJ scouts were not high on Ashley and Gallant was not there long enough to overrule. That won't happen this year. If Ashley cannot be promised 2nd line minutes with SJ, look for the Moose to grab him.
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Post by bois on Apr 2, 2010 19:32:25 GMT -4
Cant see how Ashley could be promised 2nd line minutes in SJ next year if they bring back Kirkpatrick, Galiev, Jurco, Huberdeau, MacAulay,Anthony, Phillips etc..no room to guarantee a rookie that kind of ice
interesting... would Ben Duffy and our 10th pick be enough for your 2nd overall and say Garrett Clarke?
just a thought
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Post by howitzer on Apr 2, 2010 20:07:37 GMT -4
interesting... would Ben Duffy and our 10th pick be enough for your 2nd overall and say Garrett Clarke? just a thought I think a deal like that would hinge on whether or not we could replace Clarke with that 1st rounder. Given this year is weak for d-men, aside from Poulin, Fraser, Matheson, I doubt we could get a top d-man at the 10th spot to replace Clarke. An interesting proposal though. Where there is smoke there is fire. It's no secret Clarke's future here has yet to be decided, and Duffy wants out of PEI, so there could be something there. I can't help but think, at some point, whether it's at the draft or at x-mas, Ben Duffy will be wearing a Moosehead jersey at some point next season. Just a hunch.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2010 20:39:02 GMT -4
Cant see how Ashley could be promised 2nd line minutes in SJ next year if they bring back Kirkpatrick, Galiev, Jurco, Huberdeau, MacAulay,Anthony, Phillips etc..no room to guarantee a rookie that kind of ice interesting... would Ben Duffy and our 10th pick be enough for your 2nd overall and say Garrett Clarke? just a thought Garrett Clarke has shown a hell of a lot more then Duffy. Duffy and you 1st pick for Clarke and a 10th would be closer to the true value. Give your head a shake Bois.
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