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Post by Clipper on Mar 4, 2008 19:55:54 GMT -4
I feel the biggest potential upset will be whomever plays Rimouski. Or whomever plays the Sea Dogs ;D So whoever plays the seadogs has the best chance of an upset, ie...beating the seadogs?
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Post by Gooch on Mar 4, 2008 20:15:12 GMT -4
I don't think guys like MacMillan (this years version), Knotek, Swan, Pridham, White and Hillier are all that much (if at all) better than Breault, Marquardt, Sinkovic, Bouchard, and Boivin or especially Gatineaus group of Giroux, Pistilli, Chabot, Byron and Smith..... when you consider both those teams have significantly better defense and goaltending ... I wouldn't be counting them out as capable of upending the Moose at all You forgot to include Voracek and Marchand...so even if all those forwards you listed washed out....you didnt even include Halifax's best 2 forwards in the debate. And he forgot to include that putting those two out there makes the rest of the forwards THAT much better. Even if those two don't score a bizillion points, that takes the best defensive players on the other team to stop them. Which lends the other guys that much more room and time. In a 7 game series I think our secondary crew would become much more potent than the other teams.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Mar 4, 2008 20:59:36 GMT -4
I know Halifax keeps referring to this juggernaut offense they think they have (on paper) while at the same time discounting teams like Lewy, Baie Comeau and Gatineau as not having enough firepower up front My question is in all sincerity where is your juggernaut offense? You have two superstars (one who has played well below his potential since arriving) and alot of okay guys I don't think guys like MacMillan (this years version), Knotek, Swan, Pridham, White and Hillier are all that much (if at all) better than Breault, Marquardt, Sinkovic, Bouchard, and Boivin or especially Gatineaus group of Giroux, Pistilli, Chabot, Byron and Smith..... when you consider both those teams have significantly better defense and goaltending ... I wouldn't be counting them out as capable of upending the Moose at all Well after the first 2 scorers on every team, you can see the difference, especially with Gatineau. After Voracek and Marchand. the scoring leaders go like: Corsi - 1.03 PPG Hillier - .95 PPG Knotek - .97 PPG Swan - .73 PPG Bodnarchuk - .72 PPG Then you still have MacMillan (.95), Pridham, White and Cheremetiev. For Gatineau, after Giroux and Pistilli: Byron - 1.3 PPG Chabot - .80 PPG Smith - .72 PPG Prokop - .56 PPG Deslisle - .42 PPG and BC, after Bouchard and Breault: Marquardt - 1.01 PPG Doiron - .96 PPG Lessard - .79 PPG Morneau - .63 PPG Sinkovic - .73 PPG For BC, they have scored about 25 goals less than us despite having most of their team intact all year... Hal and Gat have both missed their "pivotal" player up front for large chunks. And while some guys like Marquardt and Prokop have produced at a better rate since being traded, other guys havent (Sinkovic and Lessard). And of course PPG isnt overly reliable as scoring plays are always in question. So while we havent been a juggernaut on the scoring totals, we've missed Voracek, MacMillan and Pridham for long periods this year that have had an impact. I think after the first 2 guys on each team, the next 7 guys (fill out 3 lines) weigh pretty heavily in Halifax's favour. HOWEVER, we havent looked like a dominant offense consistently, and still havent decided on our set lines. So depth and "on paper" remain a big questionmark.
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Post by lou on Mar 4, 2008 21:21:21 GMT -4
You forgot to include Voracek and Marchand...so even if all those forwards you listed washed out....you didnt even include Halifax's best 2 forwards in the debate. And he forgot to include that putting those two out there makes the rest of the forwards THAT much better. Even if those two don't score a bizillion points, that takes the best defensive players on the other team to stop them. Which lends the other guys that much more room and time. In a 7 game series I think our secondary crew would become much more potent than the other teams. You know, you guys keep saying how much "secondary" scoring the Moose are good for, and how deep the offense is, bla bla bla... Eventually, shouldn't the team actually PROVE that so you can keep writing it?? Just because you SHOULD be besting other teams offensive output doesn't mean you are Have you checked stats lately?? You are practically begging for chsb to come in here and school someone ;D ;D ;D Edit: And for CrazyJoe, please add these to your little debate: Danny Massé: 1.13 Tommy Joly: 1.06 Jo Laberge: 0.94 Drew Paris: 0.82 Ryan Graham: 0.77 Guess that puts us right in the thick of things huh
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Mar 4, 2008 21:34:19 GMT -4
And he forgot to include that putting those two out there makes the rest of the forwards THAT much better. Even if those two don't score a bizillion points, that takes the best defensive players on the other team to stop them. Which lends the other guys that much more room and time. In a 7 game series I think our secondary crew would become much more potent than the other teams. You know, you guys keep saying how much "secondary" scoring the Moose are good for, and how deep the offense is, bla bla bla... Eventually, shouldn't the team actually PROVE that so you can keep writing it?? Just because you SHOULD be besting other teams offensive output doesn't mean you are Have you checked stats lately?? You are practically begging for chsb to come in here and school someone ;D ;D ;D How could he? RN are the clear frontrunners in offensive stats... after that there are a handful of teams pretty close to the same GPG stats. Bathurst and Halifax are practically the same, as they were predicted to be from the start. But if Bathurst had lost Perreault, Masse and Laberge for the same amount of games that we lost Voracek, MacMillan and Pridham (not to mention the games it takes for them to find their timing and endurance again that count as GP's) I doubt your offense is anywhere close to where it is. Since January 1st, which includes 2 weeks where we didnt have Voracek, MacMillan and Marchand, we've scored 96 goals in 25 games. Bathurst have scored 113 in 27 games. Not a big difference. And dont forget, you guys play Perreault on PP's in blowouts late in the game to run up the score even more But Im not arguing our offense is awesome... Ive argued for months that its not as good as it should be. But come playoff time, in tight games, Halifax have alot of quality scoring depth. I hope
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Mar 4, 2008 21:42:16 GMT -4
And he forgot to include that putting those two out there makes the rest of the forwards THAT much better. Even if those two don't score a bizillion points, that takes the best defensive players on the other team to stop them. Which lends the other guys that much more room and time. In a 7 game series I think our secondary crew would become much more potent than the other teams. Edit: And for CrazyJoe, please add these to your little debate: Danny Massé: 1.13 Tommy Joly: 1.06 Jo Laberge: 0.94 Drew Paris: 0.82 Ryan Graham: 0.77 Guess that puts us right in the thick of things huh Oh... and this was a debate about BC and GAT's secondary scoring... which you pulled a chsb and hijacked to talk about the Titan... I expect a month long vacation
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Post by lou on Mar 4, 2008 21:42:27 GMT -4
You know, you guys keep saying how much "secondary" scoring the Moose are good for, and how deep the offense is, bla bla bla... Eventually, shouldn't the team actually PROVE that so you can keep writing it?? Just because you SHOULD be besting other teams offensive output doesn't mean you are Have you checked stats lately?? You are practically begging for chsb to come in here and school someone ;D ;D ;D How could he? RN are the clear frontrunners in offensive stats... after that there are a handful of teams pretty close to the same GPG stats. Bathurst and Halifax are practically the same, as they were predicted to be from the start. But if Bathurst had lost Perreault, Masse and Laberge for the same amount of games that we lost Voracek, MacMillan and Pridham (not to mention the games it takes for them to find their timing and endurance again that count as GP's) I doubt your offense is anywhere close to where it is. Since January 1st, which includes 2 weeks where we didnt have Voracek, MacMillan and Marchand, we've scored 96 goals in 25 games. Bathurst have scored 113 in 27 games. Not a big difference. And dont forget, you guys play Perreault on PP's in blowouts late in the game to run up the score even more But Im not arguing our offense is awesome... Ive argued for months that its not as good as it should be. But come playoff time, in tight games, Halifax have alot of quality scoring depth. I hope Oops, might want to think about using only stats since January - we've been a pretty wicked team since January (even more chsb fuel there LOL) PS: Having no Marchand for a couple of weeks since January may actually have helped your offense and not hindered PPS: You think between Voracek, MacMillan and Marchand you'd have gotten 17 goals in 3 games to tie us?? Could be... A wash. Nice. You know, a wash on offense (slight edge to you if Marchand finds his form...although Svoboda is on FIRE). I think our D is better than yours. And goaltending, well, we could argue to death there huh hehehe. Someone may have to call us what they are calling the Moose soon huh?? Heaven forbid
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Post by lou on Mar 4, 2008 21:44:21 GMT -4
Edit: And for CrazyJoe, please add these to your little debate: Danny Massé: 1.13 Tommy Joly: 1.06 Jo Laberge: 0.94 Drew Paris: 0.82 Ryan Graham: 0.77 Guess that puts us right in the thick of things huh Oh... and this was a debate about BC and GAT's secondary scoring... which you pulled a chsb and hijacked to talk about the Titan... I expect a month long vacation I may catch a break there from the mods as Bathurst was obviously forgotten in this debate...neglected for most of the season because of playing well under expectations, I'll let that slide
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Mar 4, 2008 21:51:44 GMT -4
How could he? RN are the clear frontrunners in offensive stats... after that there are a handful of teams pretty close to the same GPG stats. Bathurst and Halifax are practically the same, as they were predicted to be from the start. But if Bathurst had lost Perreault, Masse and Laberge for the same amount of games that we lost Voracek, MacMillan and Pridham (not to mention the games it takes for them to find their timing and endurance again that count as GP's) I doubt your offense is anywhere close to where it is. Since January 1st, which includes 2 weeks where we didnt have Voracek, MacMillan and Marchand, we've scored 96 goals in 25 games. Bathurst have scored 113 in 27 games. Not a big difference. And dont forget, you guys play Perreault on PP's in blowouts late in the game to run up the score even more But Im not arguing our offense is awesome... Ive argued for months that its not as good as it should be. But come playoff time, in tight games, Halifax have alot of quality scoring depth. I hope Oops, might want to think about using only stats since January - we've been a pretty wicked team since January (even more chsb fuel there LOL) PS: Having no Marchand for a couple of weeks since January may actually have helped your offense and not hindered PPS: You think between Voracek, MacMillan and Marchand you'd have gotten 17 goals in 3 games to tie us?? Could be... A wash. Nice. You know, a wash on offense (slight edge to you if Marchand finds his form...although Svoboda is on FIRE). I think our D is better than yours. And goaltending, well, we could argue to death there huh hehehe. Someone may have to call us what they are calling the Moose soon huh?? Heaven forbid HIJACKER HIJACKER!!!!! ^^^^^^^^ By the way, with the two games in hand, we'd "average" about 7 more goals if we use the second half stats. So we'd need 10.... and MacMillan didnt come back until the 18th, my mistake And as long as we are selecting data as we see fit... We scored 6 GPG while you only scored 2 GPG in the last game against eachother... thats clearly more scoring depth. Go away Lou, I liked you more when you sat quietly in the shadows and didnt venture to other boards to brag
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Post by lou on Mar 4, 2008 21:53:18 GMT -4
Oops, might want to think about using only stats since January - we've been a pretty wicked team since January (even more chsb fuel there LOL) PS: Having no Marchand for a couple of weeks since January may actually have helped your offense and not hindered PPS: You think between Voracek, MacMillan and Marchand you'd have gotten 17 goals in 3 games to tie us?? Could be... A wash. Nice. You know, a wash on offense (slight edge to you if Marchand finds his form...although Svoboda is on FIRE). I think our D is better than yours. And goaltending, well, we could argue to death there huh hehehe. Someone may have to call us what they are calling the Moose soon huh?? Heaven forbid HIJACKER HIJACKER!!!!! ^^^^^^^^ By the way, with the two games in hand, we'd "average" about 7 more goals if we use the second half stats. So we'd need 10.... and MacMillan didnt come back until the 18th, my mistake And as long as we are selecting data as we see fit... We scored 6 GPG while you only scored 2 GPG in the last game against eachother... thats clearly more scoring depth. Go away Lou, I liked you more when you sat quietly in the shadows and didnt venture to other boards to brag Ok, back to the woodwork, carry on (but I'll be watching boowwaaaahhhaaaahhhhaaa)
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Mar 4, 2008 22:29:27 GMT -4
Lewy about to beat Saint John ... that helps us as we now have a game in hand on Saint John who are behind us. It brings Lewy back into a tie with Bathurst, and both are nipping at CB's heals. Likely coming down to the final game for alot of these playoff positions.
edit: Gat in danger of losing to Victo... and RN losing at home to Drummondville!!!
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Mar 4, 2008 22:57:02 GMT -4
Peters with 2+1 to help Drummondville win in RN... Great to see Peters stick it out in Drummondville, a bad team to begin with then they traded everyone, and get on the scoresheet pretty consistently.
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Post by howitzer on Mar 4, 2008 23:43:49 GMT -4
Wow, couple big upsets tonight, especially in RN. Who would have thought Drummondville could walk in there and win a game??
A night like tonight goes to show the say, "any team can beat any other team" definitely rings true.
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Post by chsb on Mar 4, 2008 23:57:16 GMT -4
Lou, this is the Mooseheads Board, where they have consistently omitted the Titan in their grand scheme of things the whole season long.....nothing new there. Crazy Jo, what are you gonna say when your team gets hammered by the Titan this Friday? I am not gonna hijack this as it is a pure useless use of a topic by omitting the Titan...... Moose hunting starts this Friday!
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Post by lalalaprise on Mar 4, 2008 23:59:38 GMT -4
Lou, this is the Mooseheads Board, where they have consistently omitted the Titan in their grand scheme of things the whole season long.....nothing new there. Crazy Jo, what are you gonna say when your team gets hammered by the Titan this Friday? I am not gonna hijack this as it is a pure useless use of a topic by omitting the Titan...... Moose hunting starts this Friday! You were nearly below .500 6 weeks ago...excuse us for not taking you seriously up until now. What did you say after you lost 6-2 last week to Halifax? Oh thats right, you didnt post for a couple days....
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