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Post by wingman on Aug 31, 2007 13:17:03 GMT -4
With 20 yr olds being able to be moved at any time, I wouldn't wait until Xmas, but that won't be easy to do either. But the problem with trading before Xmas is that if you move Swit, you are not likely to get a top 2 line forward straight up for him. The only roster players that you could move with him are Walker and Morrison which defeats the purpose of making that kind of trade. I am not sure if they are able to deal picks at any time, but if they are, it might cost them a high pick to make that kind of deal.
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Post by IslandersHKY on Aug 31, 2007 13:53:21 GMT -4
Very nice run down CB and I agree last night I didn’t have high expectations but it was the kind of game where people the next day are saying, man I wish I would have gone. Hopefully that kind of excitement will continue to build.
And I offer just a few comments in respect to your post before posting a few of my own.
Fight 1
Main drilled Smith from behind. I don’t think it was intention but Main also has a history of this so I’m also not suggesting that a different player may have been able to let up. With that in mind I was glad to see Smith stick up for himself and hold Main accountable for the hit. Fairly even fight slight edge to Main and I am 90% sure it was him who broke Smith’s visor.
Fight 2
I am pretty sure it was Hillier who Cliche hit hard along the boards, although it was clean. Personally I don’t think it warranted Bona stepping in although Hillier wasn’t going to do anything about it and as a fan I would rather see my guys step up for their top players more than they need to rather than let them get run. As for the fight it wasn’t much of one. Cliche didn’t back down which I give him full credit for but he also isn’t a fighter and was clearly overmatched. Not really any punches landed as Cliche tried to keep Bona tied up as much as possible. Had it been a real fight Bona would have won.
Fight 3
Lessard absolutely leveled Goyens with a clean hit. Goyens didn’t like it and since it wasn’t Main went after Lessard. Actually Lessard had him overmatched until I noticed one of his punches hit Goyens helmet and after that Lessard held back a little, likely thinking about not wanting to break his hand right before NHL camp. Overall I would call this a draw.
As for my individual thoughts.
I continue to like what Main brings to this team. Obviously he plays a style which other fans hate but I think it is something that the Rocket needed. And personally I have gained respect for Main’s skill. Before coming here I was simply expecting a crash-bang agitator who will go. But I think so far he has shown that he can play as a dependable 5th/6th defenseman with an edge.
As for Malouin I agree with CB that he will have to fight for his ice time with Clow and Deighan but I think that is a good thing. Right now we have 3 pretty raw 17 yr old rookies but I think all three have a lot of upside and it will likely be good for them to share those 2 open spots and rotate as they develop. IMO all three have great potential but at the same time all three have some development ahead of them.
And I agree with CB, in that although I thought Deighan played fine he did look like a 17 yr old rookie last night. Although that is somewhat understandable given that he was playing against a highly skill veteran Halifax team. The only thing that I have a different opinion on is that I see Clow as having tremendous offensive skill and more likely to become the PP specialist, Malouin likely becoming the big dependable defensive defenseman and Deighan being slightly inbetween but will likely contribute a lot more defensively than offensively. Last post I threw out a comparison to Lachance’s style where he plays with an edge and has a solid allaround game but not necessarily special in any one area. What do people think of that comparison?
I’m not sure how seriously McKinley’s injury is but during the game he did have his shoulder all wrapped up. Hopefully he is alright. He seemed to play with a lot more desire and made more of an impact in the couple of minutes he played last night than he did in the entire game he played against St. John’s.
As for Schmidt so far he has 6 goals in 5 games playing with a variety of linemates. He works hard everyshift, throws the body and is responsible defensively and every game has been one of the best players for the Rocket so I am not sure what else you think he needs to do to prove himself. Personally I have been really impressed with what he has brought and think he is making a strong case to play on the top line with Morrison & Walker. And I just hope he keeps playing exactly the way he has through the season. If he does he could really turn out to be an impact addition to this team.
IMO last night against a fast team like Halifax Cliche looked really out of place but against other teams like Saint John’s he doesn’t look as bad. And in no way is he a fighter no should he try to be. The kid has skill and will score when he has an opportunity the problem is that he has trouble keeping up with the play. I think he has progressed some since last year and he will need to continue to progress. He is working hard and doing everything he can so I hope fans don’t get on him but at this point I am still not sure if Cliche can become a regular impact forward with the Rocket, I’m rooting for him but time will tell and he still has a lot of developing to get there.
It must have been tough on Street and Maclean last night given that they played rarely and were often paired with Paynter, instead of separated and supported with a little more talent. But that is what happens with 16 yr old rookies. Over the next month and through the season they will get their opportunities and ice time. Its just a matter of working hard and developing. I still say I have really liked what I have seen so far from both.
The only cuts that I think are left are Wright and Owens with DesRoches being affiliated to the Capitals and getting an opportunity to play a few games with the Rocket during the season.
And since I had introduced the idea I am liking the thought more and more of trading Swit and adding another 20 yr forward at Christmas. Just think adding a Cacciotti or Ouellet or Graham or whoever could be a huge boast to this already very good team. And based on what I have seen so far I don’t think our defense would suffer from the loss of Swit.
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Post by nolman29 on Aug 31, 2007 14:08:48 GMT -4
Why does Yannick Jean continue to play Cliche? When he is in the box we actually play better.
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Post by Score on Aug 31, 2007 14:17:38 GMT -4
Why does Yannick Jean continue to play Cliche? When he is in the box we actually play better. Cliche was out with Mo and Walker a lot last night.......of curse he's gonna look out of place now. He will be a solid 3rd liner for us this season and pop in a nice # of goals. |
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Post by canbeer on Aug 31, 2007 14:24:57 GMT -4
Great job Cb and HF. Thanks for the recaps.
I actually really liked Cliche when he was in Hali. And I think playing with guys like Mo and Walker is what he needs. He's really not a guy to generate on his own and produce chances but when he supporting players who can handle a lot of the foot work and puck carrying then he's at home along the boards and in front of the net using his size.
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Post by wingman on Aug 31, 2007 14:39:04 GMT -4
If comparing Deighan to Lachance, I hope Deighan's game is more consistent than Lachance's. I thought Lachance was a good player when he was here, but I felt he was also inconsistent. Some periods he would play like he was one of the top players on the ice and the next period it seemed like he should have stayed in the dressing room. Should Deighan make the team, for this season I think you will see him take on more of a defensive role than an offensive one. They usually want rookie defensemen to learn to play their own end before giving them the green light offensively. And I think that will also be the case with Clow also.
As far as Malouin, he has a ways to go before he is considered a dependable defenseman. If he is to be considered as that type of player, he has to cut down on his errors.
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Post by gatguy on Aug 31, 2007 17:03:10 GMT -4
Main drilled Smith from behind. I don’t think it was intention but Main also has a history of this so I’m also not suggesting that a different player may have been able to let up. I continue to like what Main brings to this team. Obviously he plays a style which other fans hate but I think it is something that the Rocket needed. And personally I have gained respect for Main’s skill. Before coming here I was simply expecting a crash-bang agitator who will go. But I think so far he has shown that he can play as a dependable 5th/6th defenseman with an edge. Speaking from the point of view as a Gatineau fan (I dont know if its worth anything in here, lol). Main is not a guy who hits from behind, if the guy turns away thats a different story. I checked the box scores from the two games that he "supposably" hit from behind and he didnt even get a 2 min minor. He is a hitting machine and has a reputation of that and we really miss that in the olympiques game. He is a tough guy not a figher, he backs up his actions 9 out of 10 times. (except if its a top heavy). But like i said he has never gotten suspended for hitting from behind. so i think that players are turning away. and he made the team in his rookie year as a Defence man without even fighting in preseason, the kid can play at a high level, so i think you guys got lucky once again trading for another olympique, a fan favorite too. |
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Aug 31, 2007 17:21:26 GMT -4
Main drilled Smith from behind. I don’t think it was intention but Main also has a history of this so I’m also not suggesting that a different player may have been able to let up. I continue to like what Main brings to this team. Obviously he plays a style which other fans hate but I think it is something that the Rocket needed. And personally I have gained respect for Main’s skill. Before coming here I was simply expecting a crash-bang agitator who will go. But I think so far he has shown that he can play as a dependable 5th/6th defenseman with an edge. Speaking from the point of view as a Gatineau fan (I dont know if its worth anything in here, lol). Main is not a guy who hits from behind, if the guy turns away thats a different story. I checked the box scores from the two games that he "supposably" hit from behind and he didnt even get a 2 min minor. He is a hitting machine and has a reputation of that and we really miss that in the olympiques game. He is a tough guy not a figher, he backs up his actions 9 out of 10 times. (except if its a top heavy). But like i said he has never gotten suspended for hitting from behind. so i think that players are turning away. and he made the team in his rookie year as a Defence man without even fighting in preseason, the kid can play at a high level, so i think you guys got lucky once again trading for another olympique, a fan favorite too. did he get suspended for the hit on Brassard had injured him from most of the season? Not trying to stir shit I just can't remember if he did - or even he even got a penalty on the play for it. |
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Post by countryboy on Aug 31, 2007 18:15:44 GMT -4
Whether it's fair or not, Main carries around a reputation. A a good portion of the reputation is likely due to the Brassard hit. cb Main drilled Smith from behind. I don’t think it was intention but Main also has a history of this so I’m also not suggesting that a different player may have been able to let up. I continue to like what Main brings to this team. Obviously he plays a style which other fans hate but I think it is something that the Rocket needed. And personally I have gained respect for Main’s skill. Before coming here I was simply expecting a crash-bang agitator who will go. But I think so far he has shown that he can play as a dependable 5th/6th defenseman with an edge. Speaking from the point of view as a Gatineau fan (I dont know if its worth anything in here, lol). Main is not a guy who hits from behind, if the guy turns away thats a different story. I checked the box scores from the two games that he "supposably" hit from behind and he didnt even get a 2 min minor. He is a hitting machine and has a reputation of that and we really miss that in the olympiques game. He is a tough guy not a figher, he backs up his actions 9 out of 10 times. (except if its a top heavy). But like i said he has never gotten suspended for hitting from behind. so i think that players are turning away. and he made the team in his rookie year as a Defence man without even fighting in preseason, the kid can play at a high level, so i think you guys got lucky once again trading for another olympique, a fan favorite too. |
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Post by gatguy on Aug 31, 2007 18:36:54 GMT -4
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did he get suspended for the hit on Brassard had injured him from most of the season?
Not trying to stir shit I just can't remember if he did - or even he even got a penalty on the play for it.[/quote]
Nope. no suspension, no pim, besides the 5 for fighting, he just faught twiced (once against Roch). but thats goin with what i said before, backed up his actions. trust me guys. ull love him
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