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Post by bois on Nov 25, 2014 12:36:54 GMT -4
People thought Barbashev was a forgone conclusion to go first round last year too
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 25, 2014 13:11:12 GMT -4
Only if he is a first round pick. He likely will but it's only first rounders that go on the special list. Ye I think it's a forgone conclusion he's going in round 1 though. Russian factor drops kids but somebody always takes the shot in round 1 unless he shows an attitude like Kabanov lol I think it's far from a sure thing. He could go anywhere from 15 to 50 depending on how he and others finish their seasons. If he's on a non playoff team and other guys in his range go deep then they probably pass him on some lists. High 2nd rounder is a definite possibility.
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Post by jamesnorris on Nov 25, 2014 13:35:22 GMT -4
People thought Barbashev was a forgone conclusion to go first round last year too I'm not those people and Barbashev isn't Svechnikov.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 25, 2014 13:46:19 GMT -4
People thought Barbashev was a forgone conclusion to go first round last year too I'm not those people and Barbashev isn't Svechnikov. I think Barbashev is better, personally. Better overall game.
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Post by Y Ddraig Goch on Nov 25, 2014 14:28:50 GMT -4
People thought Barbashev was a forgone conclusion to go first round last year too I'm not those people and Barbashev isn't Svechnikov. Barbashev is better.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 25, 2014 15:20:20 GMT -4
People thought Barbashev was a forgone conclusion to go first round last year too I'm not those people and Barbashev isn't Svechnikov. I have to ask... Where did you think Barbashev was going to be drafted? Where do you think Svechnikov is going to be drafted?
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Nov 25, 2014 15:25:38 GMT -4
I'm not those people and Barbashev isn't Svechnikov. I have to ask... Where did you think Barbashev was going to be drafted? Where do you think Svechnikov is going to be drafted? He wants to wait until Xmas before making that call.....sorry I couldn't resist.
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Post by catnut on Nov 25, 2014 15:43:15 GMT -4
I have to ask... Where did you think Barbashev was going to be drafted? Where do you think Svechnikov is going to be drafted? He wants to wait until Xmas before making that call.....sorry I couldn't resist. More like next July.
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Post by jamesnorris on Nov 25, 2014 15:58:52 GMT -4
have to ask... Where did you think Barbashev was going to be drafted? Where do you think Svechnikov is going to be drafted? Barbashev 2nd round Svechnikov 10-20 overall He wants to wait until Xmas before making that call.....sorry I couldn't resist. Jab would be a lot funnier if CB didn't play so poorly that a lot of people changed from "buy no matter what" to "maybe we're not in a position to buy" lol
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 25, 2014 16:05:37 GMT -4
have to ask... Where did you think Barbashev was going to be drafted? Where do you think Svechnikov is going to be drafted? Barbashev 2nd round Svechnikov 10-20 overall He wants to wait until Xmas before making that call.....sorry I couldn't resist. Jab would be a lot funnier if CB didn't play so poorly that a lot of people changed from "buy no matter what" to "maybe we're not in a position to buy" lol There's been very little change actually. Many are still looking at the 'we need to buy now if we want to win next year' as being pretty logical despite the teams horrendous play which speaks volumes to the position they're in. You're the one who said no decisions should be made one way or the other until Xmas, which I disputed saying that the conversations begin pretty early in the season and waiting can leave you screwed. You've already changed that tune with comments like: Unless you consider trading Darcy to a contender as 'selling', I don't think there is much selling to do.
CB is in such a weird position and the moves they NEED to make are more suited for the offseason.So you're still trying to mock the comments of buying, yet admit there's not much selling to do, and admit that the teams needs are more suited for the offseason which indicates you've already made up your own mind that the team should buy next year which drove the posts when Darcy returned signalling a rare chance to have back to back contending teams. The jabs were still funny as even in the basement you admit that buying is something we need to look at. The funny part is that it's not even Christmas and you've started to make up your mind thats the conclusion the rest of us came to that got your panties all in a bunch. lol.
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Post by jamesnorris on Nov 25, 2014 16:42:47 GMT -4
There's been very little change actually. Many are still looking at the 'we need to buy now if we want to win next year' as being pretty logical despite the teams horrendous play which speaks volumes to the position they're in. You're the one who said no decisions should be made one way or the other until Xmas, which I disputed saying that the conversations begin pretty early in the season and waiting can leave you screwed. You've already changed that tune with comments like: Unless you consider trading Darcy to a contender as 'selling', I don't think there is much selling to do.
CB is in such a weird position and the moves they NEED to make are more suited for the offseason.So you're still trying to mock the comments of buying, yet admit there's not much selling to do, and admit that the teams needs are more suited for the offseason which indicates you've already made up your own mind that the team should buy next year which drove the posts when Darcy returned signalling a rare chance to have back to back contending teams. The jabs were still funny as even in the basement you admit that buying is something we need to look at. The funny part is that it's not even Christmas and you've started to make up your mind thats the conclusion the rest of us came to that got your panties all in a bunch. lol. I can't tell if you're stupid or you're just trying to troll. "There's been very little change actually" and yet the discussion went from trading picks for additions in the Darcy returns thread to people talking about trading Darcy lmao I did say no decisions should be made one way or the other until Xmas which you disputed. I remember you stating it like a fact that Dumont had already made a decision about buying and yet we have a quote from Dumont last week stating he still hasn't decided which way they'll go at the deadline lol I don't know why you keep bringing up that you said the conversations began pretty early because I never ever disputed that conversation take place among GMs. I even stated then that conversations are a normal part of the job for any GM, no matter who was sent down. The conversations can be had but decisions don't have to be made. According to the man who makes the decisions, no decision has been made so feel free to suck my ass. I'm not sure how those quotes are me changing my tune? Do you have quotes of me saying something different than what I read in those quotes? I don't see any definitive statement from me saying CB should buy or sell at the deadline and yet you come to the conclusion that I've made up my mind either way. I'm pretty sure I made this request before and I don't think I'm asking for too much... if you're going to respond to me, could you actually respond to the words that I say rather than the conclusions you've came to on your own?
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Post by Judas In My Mind on Nov 25, 2014 16:48:44 GMT -4
have to ask... Where did you think Barbashev was going to be drafted? Where do you think Svechnikov is going to be drafted? Barbashev 2nd round Svechnikov 10-20 overall He wants to wait until Xmas before making that call.....sorry I couldn't resist. Jab would be a lot funnier if CB didn't play so poorly that a lot of people changed from "buy no matter what" to "maybe we're not in a position to buy" lol And I didn't flip anything. I still think you guys should buy, but focus mostly on guys for this year and next year. However I don't think you should rule out 20 year olds for this year either. Your team is sucking. The mix is off. I'd be snatching away the sole excuse your players have at the moment. Shit goaltending. I'd also send a message by sending a talented player packing for someone maybe a little less talented, but with extreme grit and work ethic and leadership or leads by example qualities. FOR EXAMPLE (capitalized as I am not saying make this trade or that you or SJ would even be interested in it) You get rid of Brassard and say.....Darcy. You bring in Auger and say Dundas/Tremaine. You snatch away the "We're losing because of goaltending" excuse, and you send a message by moving a super talented player that by all accounts seems to be floating and not giving a full effort, and certainly is not producing. Maybe that sends a message to all the other talented guys that they need to step up, play hard and produce, or maybe they will be the next one out the door. Again this was just an example of a scenario and not something I think could/would be done, other than at this point Brassard has to go. Darcy doesn't necessarily need to be the guy you use to send the message by trading. Then add to that improved goaltending situation and the "message sent trade" by going out and getting a couple of players that aren't 20 years old, like one or two 19 year old defenseman that will play for you this year and next, or a 19 year old forward and defenseman...whatever they feel is most available/needed... and you SHOULD see a vastly improved team for this year and next year. You can multi-purpose-buy and address immediate and future needs. p.s. My Xmas comment...It was just a joke....like I said I couldn't resist the set-up...but here we are back at this old arguement again lol.
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Post by jamesnorris on Nov 25, 2014 17:06:23 GMT -4
And I didn't flip anything. I still think you guys should buy, but focus mostly on guys for this year and next year. However I don't think you should rule out 20 year olds for this year either. Your team is sucking. The mix is off. I'd be snatching away the sole excuse your players have at the moment. Shit goaltending. I'd also send a message by sending a talented player packing for someone maybe a little less talented, but with extreme grit and work ethic and leadership or leads by example qualities. FOR EXAMPLE (capitalized as I am not saying make this trade or that you or SJ would even be interested in it) You get rid of Brassard and say.....Darcy. You bring in Auger and say Dundas/Tremaine. You snatch away the "We're losing because of goaltending" excuse, and you send a message by moving a super talented player that by all accounts seems to be floating and not giving a full effort, and certainly is not producing. Maybe that sends a message to all the other talented guys that they need to step up, play hard and produce, or maybe they will be the next one out the door. Again this was just an example of a scenario and not something I think could/would be done, other than at this point Brassard has to go. Darcy doesn't necessarily need to be the guy you use to send the message by trading. Then add to that improved goaltending situation and the "message sent trade" by going out and getting a couple of players that aren't 20 years old, like one or two 19 year old defenseman that will play for you this year and next, or a 19 year old forward and defenseman...whatever they feel is most available/needed... and you SHOULD see a vastly improved team for this year and next year. You can multi-purpose-buy and address immediate and future needs. p.s. My Xmas comment...It was just a joke....like I said I couldn't resist the set-up...but here we are back at this old arguement again lol. Ye I knew it was a meant as a joke but I also couldn't resist taking a jab at the jackass who went on and on about how Darcy being sent back meant CB is in full buy & contend mode right now and chased me around for saying that it could change by Christmas and yet here we are, CB near the bottom of the standings and people discussing trading Darcy lol I'm still not convinced that buying a 2 year player is necessary if CB isn't going to realistically contend this year. The same player could be had for less in the offseason. In a perfect world CB would make a trade like the Charlottetown/Mason McDonald deal but the only kid out there right now is Booth and it's not happening in this lifetime. I'm sure there are some names that could be thrown around that I could get behind (like I said 2 months ago) but I haven't seen any yet.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 25, 2014 17:09:26 GMT -4
And I didn't flip anything. I still think you guys should buy, but focus mostly on guys for this year and next year. However I don't think you should rule out 20 year olds for this year either. Your team is sucking. The mix is off. I'd be snatching away the sole excuse your players have at the moment. Shit goaltending. I'd also send a message by sending a talented player packing for someone maybe a little less talented, but with extreme grit and work ethic and leadership or leads by example qualities. FOR EXAMPLE (capitalized as I am not saying make this trade or that you or SJ would even be interested in it) You get rid of Brassard and say.....Darcy. You bring in Auger and say Dundas/Tremaine. You snatch away the "We're losing because of goaltending" excuse, and you send a message by moving a super talented player that by all accounts seems to be floating and not giving a full effort, and certainly is not producing. Maybe that sends a message to all the other talented guys that they need to step up, play hard and produce, or maybe they will be the next one out the door. Again this was just an example of a scenario and not something I think could/would be done, other than at this point Brassard has to go. Darcy doesn't necessarily need to be the guy you use to send the message by trading. Then add to that improved goaltending situation and the "message sent trade" by going out and getting a couple of players that aren't 20 years old, like one or two 19 year old defenseman that will play for you this year and next, or a 19 year old forward and defenseman...whatever they feel is most available/needed... and you SHOULD see a vastly improved team for this year and next year. You can multi-purpose-buy and address immediate and future needs. p.s. My Xmas comment...It was just a joke....like I said I couldn't resist the set-up...but here we are back at this old arguement again lol. Ye I knew it was a meant as a joke but I also couldn't resist taking a jab at the jackass who went on and on about how Darcy being sent back meant CB is in full buy & contend mode right now and chased me around for saying that it could change by Christmas and yet here we are, CB near the bottom of the standings and people discussing trading Darcy lol I'm still not convinced that buying a 2 year player is necessary if CB isn't going to realistically contend this year. The same player could be had for less in the offseason. In a perfect world CB would make a trade like the Charlottetown/Mason McDonald deal but the only kid out there right now is Booth and it's not happening in this lifetime. I'm sure there are some names that could be thrown around that I could get behind (like I said 2 months ago) but I haven't seen any yet. #1 jackass? Look in the mirror. lol. #2 chased me around for saying that it could change by Christmas should actually read "said that waiting until Xmas to make any decisions is insane" as that's what I actually said. If you're going to respond to me, could you actually respond to the words that I say rather than the conclusions you've came to on your own? lol.
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Post by jamesnorris on Nov 25, 2014 17:13:21 GMT -4
#1 jackass? Look in the mirror. lol. #2 chased me around for saying that it could change by Christmas should actually read "said that waiting until Xmas to make any decisions is insane" as that's what I actually said. If you're going to respond to me, could you actually respond to the words that I say rather than the conclusions you've came to on your own? lol. Why should it read what you said if the quote is about what I said? Or is that another reading comprehension fail? I suppose Dumont is insane though since it's getting close to the window and he has said he still doesn't know which way they're going.
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