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Post by hfxfan09 on Nov 28, 2014 12:29:03 GMT -4
I could see us dealing Fucale, but if we can't get for him what he's worth I agree with those that say they'd rather keep him and draft a goalie high in next Summer's draft.
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Post by hfxfan09 on Nov 28, 2014 12:29:22 GMT -4
I could see us dealing Fucale, but if we can't get for him what he's worth I agree with those that say they'd rather keep him and draft a goalie high in next Summer's draft.
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Post by catnut on Nov 28, 2014 12:36:48 GMT -4
Forgot about this, but Fucale is 2nd ALL TIME in Q goaltender wins. He is only 18 wins away from beating Cloutier's record. What a difficult record to break should he get there (will likely need a trade to a contender). He has played a ton of games since his 16 year old season and on some good/great teams to get this close. You really need the perfect storm of being good right away/getting the starts/have good teams. I'd love to see him break it if he is traded. Though with the World junior tourney possibly taking away a month, maybe its impossible now. I wonder if he does hold the record for wins vs. games played, where he has missed multiple time for multiple international tournaments along the way too. Playing in the League at 20 is a big advantage in this type of record. Cloutier only played 3 1/2 years, less than Fucale. One other thing that doesn't play in Cloutier's favour also was that there were ties when he played. He also had 20+ ties in his Q career. With the good teams he had in front of him he likely would have won more than 10 of those games. In Fucale's defense the teams played 72 games during those times too and Cloutier played all 72 games one year and 71 the other.
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Post by CrazyJoeDavola on Dec 2, 2014 13:31:57 GMT -4
(moved from team canada thread as it fits here more)
Certainly doesn't look like many buyers (for Fucale) out there. I would think CB would be the most likely partner actually. If they are still set on turning the season around and making a run, I think getting rid of their frustrating 20 year old goalie and adding Fucale, which allows them to add an impact 20 as well... might be their best move.
What if they added Fucale, Hardie (20) for stay at home grit/experience on defense, and spent more assets on another top 6 forward? It could be enough to get them back to where they expected to be. They could also go for Murphy/Fucale, and spend for an impact 20 year old forward elsewhere too.
It looks like CB might be the most suitable trade partner at this point.
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Post by Beaver Banker on Dec 2, 2014 13:36:28 GMT -4
(moved from team canada thread as it fits here more) Certainly doesn't look like many buyers (for Fucale) out there. I would think CB would be the most likely partner actually. If they are still set on turning the season around and making a run, I think getting rid of their frustrating 20 year old goalie and adding Fucale, which allows them to add an impact 20 as well... might be their best move. What if they added Fucale, Hardie (20) for stay at home grit/experience on defense, and spent more assets on another top 6 forward? It could be enough to get them back to where they expected to be. They could also go for Murphy/Fucale, and spend for an impact 20 year old forward elsewhere too. It looks like CB might be the most suitable trade partner at this point. I agree. I think it's unlikely he goes anywhere, and if he does, I think it'll be Cape Breton.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Dec 2, 2014 16:47:04 GMT -4
(moved from team canada thread as it fits here more) Certainly doesn't look like many buyers (for Fucale) out there. I would think CB would be the most likely partner actually. If they are still set on turning the season around and making a run, I think getting rid of their frustrating 20 year old goalie and adding Fucale, which allows them to add an impact 20 as well... might be their best move. What if they added Fucale, Hardie (20) for stay at home grit/experience on defense, and spent more assets on another top 6 forward? It could be enough to get them back to where they expected to be. They could also go for Murphy/Fucale, and spend for an impact 20 year old forward elsewhere too. It looks like CB might be the most suitable trade partner at this point. I agree. I think it's unlikely he goes anywhere, and if he does, I think it'll be Cape Breton. Doesn't CB have 3 1st rounders?
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Post by Captain Obvious on Dec 2, 2014 16:49:37 GMT -4
Has Russell gone on record saying Halifax is a seller?
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Post by Jacques Strap on Dec 2, 2014 17:13:46 GMT -4
Has Russell gone on record saying Halifax is a seller? As expected he didn't commit to anything either way. Saying the Moosehead's haven't played with a full team all year. yuddah yuddah yuddah.
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Post by mooseinfo on Dec 2, 2014 17:37:04 GMT -4
Has Russell gone on record saying Halifax is a seller? Only point he made was lots of undecided with so many close teams. That 2 players could see many teams move to contention. That was before Halifax started playing better.
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Post by Porkchop on Dec 2, 2014 18:36:08 GMT -4
if history means anything, Halifax won't be trading any quality players away. ......also someone mentioned Cape Breton as a possible buyer for Fucale....as long as they are playing below .400 hockey it would be stupid for them to waste good assets on him. If I were CB I'd be selling their 20's at Christmas and using them assets to load up for next year when they will have a better team.
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Post by mooseinfo on Dec 2, 2014 21:13:49 GMT -4
if history means anything, Halifax won't be trading any quality players away. ......also someone mentioned Cape Breton as a possible buyer for Fucale....as long as they are playing below .400 hockey it would be stupid for them to waste good assets on him. If I were CB I'd be selling their 20's at Christmas and using them assets to load up for next year when they will have a better team. Cant see either Fucale in CB or the team playing the 2nd half with no 20s. The young players need to develop in a better situation in general. Otherwise next year turns into another sell year and then repeat.
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Post by statsman18 on Dec 3, 2014 8:33:33 GMT -4
I agree. I think it's unlikely he goes anywhere, and if he does, I think it'll be Cape Breton. Doesn't CB have 3 1st rounders? To answer your question, Yes! I hope your not implying that Halifax will get all 3 for Fucale. I'm not saying you are but that's what it seems like your getting at. The value of Fucale is basically the same as what PEI would have gotten for Bibeau last year. That was a 1st, 3rd, and a 4th round pick. Plus CBs first rounders are looking to all be top 10 picks. I don't see them giving more then 1 first rounder for any player they pick up. I think he will end up in Quebec when all is said and done though. I think people here are expecting the moon for Fucale but if we get Booth and a pick it is basically the same as what PEI got for Bibeau too. They did get those picks for him but then flipped them for McDonald. So a trade with Quebec just makes it one less move.
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Post by Jacques Strap on Dec 3, 2014 8:44:47 GMT -4
Doesn't CB have 3 1st rounders? To answer your question, Yes! I hope your not implying that Halifax will get all 3 for Fucale. I'm not saying you are but that's what it seems like your getting at. The value of Fucale is basically the same as what PEI would have gotten for Bibeau last year. That was a 1st, 3rd, and a 4th round pick. Plus CBs first rounders are looking to all be top 10 picks. I don't see them giving more then 1 first rounder for any player they pick up. I think he will end up in Quebec when all is said and done though. I think people here are expecting the moon for Fucale but if we get Booth and a pick it is basically the same as what PEI got for Bibeau too. They did get those picks for him but then flipped them for McDonald. So a trade with Quebec just makes it one less move. Thanks for your reply Statsman. No I don't expect us to get 3 first for him, I was just thinking that CB might be more apt to trade for him if the can afford to give up a 1st rounder. I would be very happy just to get a 1st for him. At this point, I would be happy with just about anything.
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Post by eaglefan62 on Dec 3, 2014 8:58:07 GMT -4
The Eagles also own the rights to Michael O'Leary and if he fails to report, we will get another late first round pick for him. Food for thought: Fucale to CB,to Halifax: the rights to O'Leary, a 2nd round pick and a prospect?
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Post by statsman18 on Dec 3, 2014 9:02:27 GMT -4
So is this a catch 22 with Ehlers? So we should trade him if he is not coming back, but then teams won't give us as much because he won't be back next year. Or we shouldn't trade him because he will be back next year, but maybe we should because we will get more for him. I am confused. lol. I meant to comment on this before but was to busy. The catch 22 on trading Elhers is simple. Because he's a Euro his market is limited and always sorta will be with the Euro trading rules. He's shown this past week that he is basically the best player in this league so there always going to be interest in him. But only a few team have a spot for him (once again Euro spots and Trading rules). So here is the the way to look at it. We trade Ehlers we will get at the very lest 2 highly needed assets. (eg: a top 16yo/17yo and a 1st or 2nd round pick) then we would also slide some in the standings so our Euro pick and 1st round get better. So we get a chance at a better euro that can play on the team next year. As it stands now we can pick a New Euro but he goes on a list and can't play if we have Elhers back. Or worse we have a Quebec situation when they had Grig come back 2 years ago. They had 3 euros and 2 spots and had to trade 1. If that happens the his or Meier's value hits rock bottom. Because you have to make the trade. So we get 3 top end player make the trade now or get maybe only get one good Euro next year. What would you want?
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