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Nov 4, 2020 13:32:53 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 4, 2020 13:32:53 GMT -4
People love to vocally hate Trump but the reality of the matter is that both candidates are awful. That’s going to lead to more people not vocalizing the fact they’ll vote for Trump and the polls making it seem like Biden would win in a cake walk. This is the 2nd time the Democratic Party has had a lob ball just waiting for them to hit a home run and they haven’t. That says a lot about their candidates IMO. If they actually had someone good running in either of these elections, they knock it out of the park. This is a literal coin flip at this point, I think Biden wins but I also wouldn’t bet my house on it like many would have 24 hours ago. Biden is on pace to have the most votes in the history of the united states of any candidate. So I dont really know how you reconcile that with being a terrible candidate. The Trump campaign turned out a ton of new votes though too, there is some obvious weakness here for the democrats that they need to figure out. Personally I was never excited about him, hes obviously a very "establishment" type. He grew on me and I see him as someone who restores decency to a platform that is one of the most influential in the world. Having a politican with zero empathy is a terrifying thing. I don't see how anyone could look at Biden and not see someone with empathy who actually cares about his constituents even if you don't agree with his policies or find him inpsiring in anyway. I believe there is much more excitement in a Biden Cabinet then Biden himself. He's looking at bringing progressives and moderates together to share ideas. He'll surround himself with competent people. The Trump administration and campaign on the other hand has what, 10+ people now indicted on federal or state charges on top of pending state investigations for Tax Fraud and Sexual Assault himself? Call me partisan or whatever, its fine. You have career apolitical people in roles like doctors or scientists who are being berated and replaced with sycophants. The current covid19 management is being led by a guy who has no experience in pandemics or diseases while the doctor who helped solved the aids crisis has been sidelined, received death threats and talks of being fired. I think if Biden wins, republicans still very much could win in 2024 if they find the right candidate. Also, not sure what the guy above is ranting about, maybe 1 poster predicted a landslide but I didnt see anyone else predicting that. The polls didnt really predict a landslide either. The national poll has no impact on predicting a landslide. Also polls are not votes, they give you possible outcomes. There might be something to the fact that trump supporting republicans might not be honest with pollsters though. The state by state polls had lots of close states when it came to the battlegrounds. I'm sure many "hoped" for a landslide so it was over early, but I certainly never expected a landslide personally. I keep seeing people say the polls were so wrong again. All day yesterday all I heard from Biden will win the popular vote easily and the electoral college will come down to battleground states where Biden was likely to have a better shot at securing the states he needed and that Trump will call victory through the night while the votes are being counted. It's pretty much been exactly as everyone I read and listened to said it was going to go.
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Nov 4, 2020 13:41:42 GMT -4
Post by lirette on Nov 4, 2020 13:41:42 GMT -4
Biden is on pace to have the most votes in the history of the united states of any candidate. So I dont really know how you reconcile that with being a terrible candidate. The Trump campaign turned out a ton of new votes though too, there is some obvious weakness here for the democrats that they need to figure out. Personally I was never excited about him, hes obviously a very "establishment" type. He grew on me and I see him as someone who restores decency to a platform that is one of the most influential in the world. Having a politican with zero empathy is a terrifying thing. I don't see how anyone could look at Biden and not see someone with empathy who actually cares about his constituents even if you don't agree with his policies or find him inpsiring in anyway. I believe there is much more excitement in a Biden Cabinet then Biden himself. He's looking at bringing progressives and moderates together to share ideas. He'll surround himself with competent people. The Trump administration and campaign on the other hand has what, 10+ people now indicted on federal or state charges on top of pending state investigations for Tax Fraud and Sexual Assault himself? Call me partisan or whatever, its fine. You have career apolitical people in roles like doctors or scientists who are being berated and replaced with sycophants. The current covid19 management is being led by a guy who has no experience in pandemics or diseases while the doctor who helped solved the aids crisis has been sidelined, received death threats and talks of being fired. I think if Biden wins, republicans still very much could win in 2024 if they find the right candidate. Also, not sure what the guy above is ranting about, maybe 1 poster predicted a landslide but I didnt see anyone else predicting that. The polls didnt really predict a landslide either. The national poll has no impact on predicting a landslide. Also polls are not votes, they give you possible outcomes. There might be something to the fact that trump supporting republicans might not be honest with pollsters though. The state by state polls had lots of close states when it came to the battlegrounds. I'm sure many "hoped" for a landslide so it was over early, but I certainly never expected a landslide personally. I keep seeing people say the polls were so wrong again. All day yesterday all I heard from Biden will win the popular vote easily and the electoral college will come down to battleground states where Biden was likely to have a better shot at securing the states he needed and that Trump will call victory through the night while the votes are being counted. It's pretty much been exactly as everyone I read and listened to said it was going to go. They won't know until all the votes are counted to see exactly where the polls ended up as well. In the end, polls are a tool for campaigns, the media and to an extent the voters. Sometimes its best not to get too caught up in them. There is also internal polls that the campaigns have themselves that we don't see. So many said the polls were wrong in 2016 but the polls didn't say Hilary had a 100% of winning just like the national polls having a 10 point margin don't guarantee anything for Biden.
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Nov 4, 2020 13:51:02 GMT -4
Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2020 13:51:02 GMT -4
As usual, it's kind of weird to put together a post and try to be neutral and look at things from both sides, but because you don't fall in line and refer to one person as a liar, and a conman, and a sexual deviant, and whatever else - your post is referred to as a "rant" while their posts are to be revered. And people wonder why new posters stop posting here. . . You called 4 years of lies and cover ups...drama. New posters stopped posting because it's no longer cool for people to post on message boards like it once was. Twitter, facebook, reddit are the types of places younger people go to now for that. So we're left with a pile of I would say 35+ yr old people here. But it has nothing to do with 1 poster saying your post was a rant...which it came off as on page 150-something and 4-5 paragraphs of "I want to turn TV on and be entertained" as if you're talking about a drama starring your favorite actor and not real life politics and decisions effecting hundreds of millions of people. If I had a young daughter and lived in the US I would be scared for her future if Trump won this. If she was a minority i'd seriously be looking at immigrating to another country if he won. Because if you still don't see where all this is heading after 4 years you're still caught up in it being all a big TV show broadcast to you on CNN and Fox News. There are 75yr olds in Pennsylvania voting for Trump because of his, and especially Pence's, stance on abortion. Cubans voting him in Miami due to fears of socialism that are all 100% false. In Canada we just call both health care. But in America if you let them disguise human right items as something effecting the financial well being of the nation then you win votes. Because overall the population isn't smart enough to seem to understand that the Senate and House control policy as much as any 1 President does. As usual, you have all the answers Jack, and it doesn't matter what anybody else thinks, you are right, and everybody else is wrong. Let's be honest here Jack, IMO, it is the patented Jack Attack why many good posters no longer post, and that is a fact. You tell us why people post, why they don't, and what's cool as if you are the authority on it. You are very narrow minded. It was only a short time ago that you termed the posting here on the forum to be better than at any time in the past 10 years, or am I just dreaming that? I love your posting and always will. If I don't know one way or another on any given topic, I find myself swayed by your take on things. I don't say that to ass-kiss, as I don't kiss anybody's ass. I find you very knowledgeable on any given subject for the most part, and just being real about it. You mentioned in another post about people "more following the forum than following the QMJHL." and I have to admit that I am in that group. I had hoped to become a Moncton Wildcats STH this year, but COVID threw a wrench into those plans. I don't really follow the Quebec based teams, but I really enjoy the Maritime Division. I just don't see the need for you to make that kind of a statement - almost purposely trying to make some of us feel lesser of a fan than yourself. What I don't like about you is your constant belittling and put downs - and putting people in their places because their opinions differ from yours. IMO, that's what deters people from posting - and it has certainly done that to me personally. No great loss though, as I'm sure that your own posting is all that really matters to you. Keep up the great work. Four paragraphs of "I want to turn on TV and be entertained" because I mentioned that I will find it boring once Trump is gone? As usual, your own personal slant and exaggerations border on Trumpism. I mentioned drama once, and in a passing way. It was not the meat of my post as you seem to want others to believe. I have no fight with you Jack, but when it comes to wondering what you are going to say about my every post, what you aren't going to agree with, what words or phrases you are going to take out of context and try to use to make me feel like a dikk this time - yes - you most certainly are the reason why a lot of good people no longer post. Full credit where credit is deserved. I'm guessing that you will reply in your usual way and claim that I made my post all about you, but I think most people know that it's just another case of you stepping in and making it about yourself with your self-righteous drivel.
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Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 4, 2020 14:03:23 GMT -4
As usual you ask for a response and then try to turn the discussion into some personal attack.
You asked questions....I gave you answers.
THIS is why people don't post here. The endless baiting from some of you is repulsive. I doubt you even read my post. You seen who posted it and formed your response. So I never read beyond this...because there's no point.
Stay classy....or childish...as you've constantly proven that appears to be your end goal here.
Back to not posting. It really is much easier that way.
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Nov 4, 2020 14:07:13 GMT -4
Post by lirette on Nov 4, 2020 14:07:13 GMT -4
When you have friends, colleagues and people you follow through social media that are in vulnerable communities worried about losing their health care, worried about having their marriage invalidated or having a leader that simply makes them feel like they don't belong, there is definitely nothing entertaining about that.
I guess for some the US is far enough away that they dont really care what happens with it.
Personally, I dont want to see our closest neighbor be a country without free and fair elections.
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Nov 4, 2020 14:08:57 GMT -4
Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2020 14:08:57 GMT -4
As usual you ask for a response and then try to turn the discussion into some personal attack. You asked questions....I gave you answers. THIS is why people don't post here. The endless baiting from some of you is repulsive. I doubt you even read my post. You seen who posted it and formed your response. So I never read beyond this...because there's no point. Stay classy....or childish...as you've constantly proven that appears to be your end goal here. Back to not posting. It really is much easier that way. That's a shame, really, because this forum isn't the same without you. In no way am I trying to get you to stop posting, and in no way am I trying to bait anybody. Childish - now there's a word for somebody taking their ball and going home. If the shoe fits. . . You just don't like anybody standing up to you who can hold their own with you - so why not take the easy way out. Please keep posting Jack. Don't punish everybody else because of little old me.
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Nov 4, 2020 14:37:26 GMT -4
Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2020 14:37:26 GMT -4
When you have friends, colleagues and people you follow through social media that are in vulnerable communities worried about losing their health care, worried about having their marriage invalidated or having a leader that simply makes them feel like they don't belong, there is definitely nothing entertaining about that. I guess for some the US is far enough away that they dont really care what happens with it. Personally, I dont want to see our closest neighbor be a country without free and fair elections. When I mention drama - it isn't meant to say that I enjoy seeing what Trump does in the way of wrongs and embarrassments and placing hardships on visible minorities. I find his ways every bit as appalling as the next guy. However, I do find it entertaining to see him go on a tirade, be made to look the fool, and having his hands slapped. Is that wrong? Is that not the same as what many of the Trump revilers here on this thread seem to enjoy as well? Does that sort of thing not fit the definition of drama? I don't wish hardships on anybody. I hope that my posting style does not suggest that I do. I honestly don't think that Biden or Trump being elected is going to change my every day life very much here in Atlantic Canada. Other than the drama, it surely hasn't had much effect on my life over the past four years. Hillary - Trump? Sleepy Joe - Trump? Really, how does anybody not see the drama in it?
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Nov 4, 2020 14:54:35 GMT -4
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Nov 4, 2020 14:54:35 GMT -4
Trump will not lose. He will never say "we lost" - he will say "we won...they wrote us all off and we had a brilliant comeback victory" (2016)
He will say "we won but they stole the election from us" - even if courts declare all is valid.
He will never walk away taking ownership for a loss.
If you want him to go away just agree with it. And we can move on. Blame the machines. Blame the mail. Dont credit the other side "though they tried really hard to get rid of me". Just let him believe it and go build his presidential library in Florida.
Let's move on.
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Post by SteveUL on Nov 4, 2020 16:21:43 GMT -4
People love to vocally hate Trump but the reality of the matter is that both candidates are awful. That’s going to lead to more people not vocalizing the fact they’ll vote for Trump and the polls making it seem like Biden would win in a cake walk. This is the 2nd time the Democratic Party has had a lob ball just waiting for them to hit a home run and they haven’t. That says a lot about their candidates IMO. If they actually had someone good running in either of these elections, they knock it out of the park. This is a literal coin flip at this point, I think Biden wins but I also wouldn’t bet my house on it like many would have 24 hours ago. Biden is on pace to have the most votes in the history of the united states of any candidate. So I dont really know how you reconcile that with being a terrible candidate. The Trump campaign turned out a ton of new votes though too, there is some obvious weakness here for the democrats that they need to figure out. Personally I was never excited about him, hes obviously a very "establishment" type. He grew on me and I see him as someone who restores decency to a platform that is one of the most influential in the world. Having a politican with zero empathy is a terrifying thing. I don't see how anyone could look at Biden and not see someone with empathy who actually cares about his constituents even if you don't agree with his policies or find him inpsiring in anyway. I believe there is much more excitement in a Biden Cabinet then Biden himself. He's looking at bringing progressives and moderates together to share ideas. He'll surround himself with competent people. The Trump administration and campaign on the other hand has what, 10+ people now indicted on federal or state charges on top of pending state investigations for Tax Fraud and Sexual Assault himself? Call me partisan or whatever, its fine. You have career apolitical people in roles like doctors or scientists who are being berated and replaced with sycophants. The current covid19 management is being led by a guy who has no experience in pandemics or diseases while the doctor who helped solved the aids crisis has been sidelined, received death threats and talks of being fired. I think if Biden wins, republicans still very much could win in 2024 if they find the right candidate. Also, not sure what the guy above is ranting about, maybe 1 poster predicted a landslide but I didnt see anyone else predicting that. The polls didnt really predict a landslide either. The national poll has no impact on predicting a landslide. Also polls are not votes, they give you possible outcomes. There might be something to the fact that trump supporting republicans might not be honest with pollsters though. The state by state polls had lots of close states when it came to the battlegrounds. I'm sure many "hoped" for a landslide so it was over early, but I certainly never expected a landslide personally. Biden just comes across as senile and dealing with onset dimentia. He is certainly a decent man but then you have to wonder about all the kid kissing and sniffing ... creepy. The high vote count is because Trump drove them to it, not Biden. They all just said ... anybody but Trump and Biden got the nod. I really think this election is much easier to win for the Dems if they had somebody younger and sensible rather than Biden, but the Dem Elite got it in their heads they needed Biden. All Biden had to do to win was not open his mouth and let Trump sink his own ship. He sort of did that because over the last few weeks you didn't hear much from him. Maybe that was the media's doing though as they figured he'd make himself look stupid if they gave him too much airtime, so they stopped showing media clips of him talking. I know the votes are not completely counted yet but it looks like he has it won, but that may not be determined for months now. I just hope that the media can move back toward something closer to being a bastion of the truth, than what they became trying to chase Trump out of office. That is not democracy when the media is skewing the truth, and hiding the truth. With Trump, they divided they together divided the country.
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Nov 5, 2020 7:32:30 GMT -4
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Nov 5, 2020 7:32:30 GMT -4
So when do we start the Biden thread?
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Nov 5, 2020 8:50:06 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 5, 2020 8:50:06 GMT -4
Biden looks favored, but it's closer than I thought. He could win without Penn or Georgia. The late counting of early votes skews the results. People love to vocally hate Trump but the reality of the matter is that both candidates are awful. That’s going to lead to more people not vocalizing the fact they’ll vote for Trump and the polls making it seem like Biden would win in a cake walk. This is the 2nd time the Democratic Party has had a lob ball just waiting for them to hit a home run and they haven’t. That says a lot about their candidates IMO. If they actually had someone good running in either of these elections, they knock it out of the park. This is a literal coin flip at this point, I think Biden wins but I also wouldn’t bet my house on it like many would have 24 hours ago. Let's be serious here, you're drinking the Faux new Kool Aid here. Hillary Clinton had 40 years in politics being first lady, Secretary of state and senator. She is sharp as a tack. Joe Biden was Senator for many years and VP in one of the most successful presidencies in recent memory. He has a strong track record of getting things done and working with both sides. Both of those candidates are more qualified than Obama, Clinton(Bill) and GW Bush when they won the presidency, and on a different planet than Trump who was a failed business man and reality show host who's biggest political claim to fame is questioning the birth certificate of the first black US president. The problem with the Dems is that the mainstream media and non hardcore political followers get sucked in to the right wing propaganda machine mostly led by Trump constantly smearing whoever the Dems run. If that person isn't on Trump's level they try and make up scandals(Hunter Biden laptop, Clinton's e-mails) to bring the candidate to Trump's level to suppress or steal some of their votes. Biden isn't a GREAT candidate, mostly due to his age, but he is still 1,000 times more qualified to lead than a guy who let Covid run wild to protect the stock market numbers.
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Nov 5, 2020 8:56:39 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 5, 2020 8:56:39 GMT -4
For your 2nd point. Democratic voters are more COVID cautious and tend to vote more remotely. Republicans tend to vote in person on election day. Yup ... that's what CNN alluded to. But statistically I find it to be BS. If anybody in the US was actually COVID cautious they wouldn't be in the quite the mess they are in now, especially in Democratic strongholds. Is it just Republicans getting COVID ? There are COVID cautious people on both sides of the dividing line. I'm not buying the large imbalance in mail in votes when the rest of the voters are roughly split down 50-50 lines. Most of the states that have Covid running wild are mostly Republican, you just have to look at Trump rallies with thousands of fans packed in with most not having masks. Just the rallies have been linked to 30,000 cases and 700 deaths... www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/11/02/stanford-study-links-trump-rallies-to-30000-covid-19-cases-700-deaths/The Sturgis motorbike rally is another example, thousands came together and pretended Covid was nothing, since then the Dakotas are probably the worst area in the planet for cases and deaths. This is all part of the GOP attitude and message that Covid is no big deal and precautions are optional. It starts with Trump. We can also link it back to the high Dems mail in/early vote.
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Nov 5, 2020 9:05:15 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 5, 2020 9:05:15 GMT -4
Yup ... that's what CNN alluded to. But statistically I find it to be BS. If anybody in the US was actually COVID cautious they wouldn't be in the quite the mess they are in now, especially in Democratic strongholds. Is it just Republicans getting COVID ? There are COVID cautious people on both sides of the dividing line. I'm not buying the large imbalance in mail in votes when the rest of the voters are roughly split down 50-50 lines. Trump spent the last 6 months railing over and over and over how mail in votes are fraudulent despite zero historical evidence. It should be of zero surprise that his voters would then not trust that method of voting despite there being little to no evidence that there's been fraud with mail in votes. It is an extremely secure system that is used by some states at 100% and has been used by the US Military for close to 100 years. I legitimately cannot believe people still fall for this conman. He has been telegraphing this in press conferences for months. Election ballots are looked at by both a democrat and republican to be certified. The polling data always showed that more democrats voted by mail by 2 or 3 to 1 in some areas. That information was available on many different media outlets not just CNN. Fox News Polls is calling the same information based on expected mail in ballots. All independant outlets from each other. There is no conspiracy here. They are counting the votes. This is going exactly the way it was expected all along, except trump seems to have gotten a greater turnout than expected and overperformed in places like the senate. Holding the Senate will severely hinder Bidens ability to pass legislation if he wins. The polls were off in certain areas but Biden could always win with a decent polling error. Both parties are turning out record numbers. The republicans did well with the latino vote which won them Florida. Trump tried to declare himself the winner of the election while many states were still up for grabs, disturbing leaders worldwide. This is not normal. But here we are still saying "both candidates suck" while democracy hangs in the balance. I should also add, that we'd have most of these results by now, but the republicans blocked the states we are waiting for from counting ballots early (like florida does). Some of these ballots have been received were weeks but they weren't allowed to count them. The truly stupid part of all of this is, in many GOP led states they mandated that early/mail in votes could ONLY be counted AFTER the Nov 3rd votes. trump knows this very well, but he is still trumpetting his BS theories about "vote showing up out of nowhere" when they update the results, thousand votes at a time. This is the case in Wisconsin, Michigan and Penn. that's why he went from leading on election day to losing once mail ins/early were counted(Penn TBD but getting tight, Georgia also). If anybody messed with the election it's Trump with his "mail in voting leads to fraud" BS...when his who family voted by mail! Plus naming Dejoy to lead the post office and intentionally slowing down mail delivery so some mail ins would get in late/past the deadlines and also to decrease voter confidence. The GOP has lost 7 of the last 8 elections and their game plan is voter suppression and gerrymandering...this was not invented by Trump but he's taken it to a new level by claiming they would have "poll watchers" who would be armed to reduce turnout in minority areas.
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Nov 5, 2020 9:22:55 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 5, 2020 9:22:55 GMT -4
I keep seeing people say the polls were so wrong again. All day yesterday all I heard from Biden will win the popular vote easily and the electoral college will come down to battleground states where Biden was likely to have a better shot at securing the states he needed and that Trump will call victory through the night while the votes are being counted. It's pretty much been exactly as everyone I read and listened to said it was going to go. They won't know until all the votes are counted to see exactly where the polls ended up as well. In the end, polls are a tool for campaigns, the media and to an extent the voters. Sometimes its best not to get too caught up in them. There is also internal polls that the campaigns have themselves that we don't see. So many said the polls were wrong in 2016 but the polls didn't say Hilary had a 100% of winning just like the national polls having a 10 point margin don't guarantee anything for Biden. People forget that Clinton had a big lead BEFORE the Russia/Wikileaks dumps and Comey shenanigans the last 6 weeks then polls got very tight. The polls overall were pretty close.
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Nov 5, 2020 9:24:24 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 5, 2020 9:24:24 GMT -4
Trump will not lose. He will never say "we lost" - he will say "we won...they wrote us all off and we had a brilliant comeback victory" (2016) He will say "we won but they stole the election from us" - even if courts declare all is valid. He will never walk away taking ownership for a loss. If you want him to go away just agree with it. And we can move on. Blame the machines. Blame the mail. Dont credit the other side "though they tried really hard to get rid of me". Just let him believe it and go build his presidential library in Florida. Let's move on. That's Trump's entire MO. Nothing is ever his fault, even when he's failed daddy was there to bail him out or Deutsche Bank(with Russian backing). Trump fragile little ego can't handle defeat.
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