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Nov 10, 2020 11:51:10 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 10, 2020 11:51:10 GMT -4
You can't put kids in cages and constantly put spotlights on illegal immigrants committing crimes while celebrating white people committing the same crimes and completely avoid the fascist label because some guy 80 years ago was REALLY a fascist. Donald Trump is jealous of what a Hitler could do in terms of rallying people together for his cause and how much power he created for himself. If you can't see that...you're really not paying attention. If Trump had his way he'd be on his way to a utopian society of rich, preferably white, people where the rest of us would be subservient to them. All the evidence you need of this is that one of Trump's top advisors and speech writers is Stephen Miller, who doesn't belong anywhere near any government decisions. I'm not surprised about anything Trump does anymore, he's pretty easy to figure out...but am still disturbed on a daily basis by the amount of defenders he has. They didn't even try to hide their agenda yet people still want to force you to prove their agenda. It's a circle the GOP/Trump/Republican/Conservative supporters go through. And it's funny watching it now as the same people who didn't once question 2016's results act like the same media they listened to then should be ignored for being bias now. Shitting on John McCain and losing Arizona is among the more minor things he did to hurt himself. Surrounding himself with conversion therapy believing nut jobs like Pence did him no good this time around. And the sad thing about America is that the whole LBGTQ rights/abortion/health care/personal human rights things are SUCH a concern for the GOP and their members that they think they just keep stacking the courts and eventually start going in reverse with it all. I think they're going to be in for quite the rude awakening over the next 20 years. The fact that a rich old white mans taxes might pay for a 15yr old minority to get an abortion in a tax funded health care system is the ONLY reason a few million Americans voted the way they did last week. It's a disgusting state of affairs down there, honestly. The thought that a healthier and educated society is better for all doesn't ring home with them. Because they already have that through inherited wealth.
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Trump
Nov 10, 2020 11:55:58 GMT -4
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Nov 10, 2020 11:55:58 GMT -4
"Their minimum wage is low because it hasn't moved in 20 years. The trickle down economics Reagan touted 40 years ago simply DOES NOT WORK. When rich folks make money, they don't pass it on to employees, they keep it and buy a second yacht or house in the alps. Nobody at Wal mart or Amazon is getting a huge raise or bonus because Bezos or Walton is making billions.." -captain obvious (from above) -------
The economy has expanded quite alot since 1980. These are all social issues and yes guys buy mansions and yachts but their money has to go somewhere.
Jobs were created. Companies were created. Companies that build yachts and mansions included.
If they just sat on their money and paid taxes on their gains there would be no incentive to invest any of their money on other things. Every building you see on the horizon is somebody's investment. If the govt didnt build it then somebody's money built it.
In the 1970s the workforce with high unemployment #s didnt even count women who werent working because they werent counted in the workforce. Didnt count many of todays low paid jobs that didnt exist pre- globalization of supply chains and the growth of Walmart's and eventually amazon. The fact that those people are part of workforce now being counted and unemployment at record lows means they are being counted
You cant unlink any of it. The game is about rewarding risk to stimulate investment the right ways to everyone's benefit.
Wages have not kept up with inflation. That's the problem. That's a social economic byproduct of inputs costing more. Education cost more. Ig forces people to work more to pay it at lower income positions.
But we need the money in the economy. We dont want a society where the rich have less incentive to spend, invest and take risks. If we tax wrong they will enjoy their money and lend it to us at high rates rather than invest it in things that create opportunity for others.
It's a balance. You cant have no taxes at the top or tax accountability. And you cant have spiralling costs for the workforce.
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Trump
Nov 10, 2020 12:07:01 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 10, 2020 12:07:01 GMT -4
"Their minimum wage is low because it hasn't moved in 20 years. The trickle down economics Reagan touted 40 years ago simply DOES NOT WORK. When rich folks make money, they don't pass it on to employees, they keep it and buy a second yacht or house in the alps. Nobody at Wal mart or Amazon is getting a huge raise or bonus because Bezos or Walton is making billions.." -captain obvious (from above) ------- The economy has expanded quite alot since 1980. These are all social issues and yes guys buy mansions and yachts but their money has to go somewhere. Jobs were created. Companies were created. Companies that build yachts and mansions included. If they just sat on their money and paid taxes on their gains there would be no incentive to invest any of their money on other things. Every building you see on the horizon is somebody's investment. If the govt didnt build it then somebody's money built it. In the 1970s the workforce with high unemployment #s didnt even count women who werent working because they werent counted in the workforce. Didnt count many of todays low paid jobs that didnt exist pre- globalization of supply chains and the growth of Walmart's and eventually amazon. You cant unlink any of it. The game is about rewarding risk to stimulate investment the right ways to everyone's benefit. Wages have not kept up with inflation. That's the problem. That's a social economic byproduct of inputs costing more. Education cost more. Ig forces people to work more to pay it at lower income positions. But we need the money in the economy. We dont want a society where the rich have less incentive to spend, invest and take risks. If we tax wrong they will enjoy their money and lend it to us at high rates rather than invest it in things that create opportunity for others. It's a balance. You cant have no taxes at the top or tax accountability. And you cant have spiralling costs for the workforce. The part you're missing is the rich folks DON'T pay taxes. Bezos is a perfect example of that. Job creation is not as meaningful when you can't even survive on the income. A normal society makes rich people pay their share, for the environment where they could be successful with a healthy, educated workforce. In Canada, Asia and Europe you have a pile of countries who showed you can have social systems, where the rich pay their share of taxes and education is available to all at an acceptable level, and the business and people with money have not all left. The GOP would have you believe that if Bezos, Walton and the Kochs have to pay taxes that they will all leave and the US will be a wasteland. Higher income tax usually encourages the rich to invest in their business, creating more economic activity, rather than cashing it all out. The Irvings are a perfect example, they keep building and buying.
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Trump
Nov 10, 2020 14:21:18 GMT -4
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Nov 10, 2020 14:21:18 GMT -4
"Their minimum wage is low because it hasn't moved in 20 years. The trickle down economics Reagan touted 40 years ago simply DOES NOT WORK. When rich folks make money, they don't pass it on to employees, they keep it and buy a second yacht or house in the alps. Nobody at Wal mart or Amazon is getting a huge raise or bonus because Bezos or Walton is making billions.." -captain obvious (from above) ------- The economy has expanded quite alot since 1980. These are all social issues and yes guys buy mansions and yachts but their money has to go somewhere. Jobs were created. Companies were created. Companies that build yachts and mansions included. If they just sat on their money and paid taxes on their gains there would be no incentive to invest any of their money on other things. Every building you see on the horizon is somebody's investment. If the govt didnt build it then somebody's money built it. In the 1970s the workforce with high unemployment #s didnt even count women who werent working because they werent counted in the workforce. Didnt count many of todays low paid jobs that didnt exist pre- globalization of supply chains and the growth of Walmart's and eventually amazon. You cant unlink any of it. The game is about rewarding risk to stimulate investment the right ways to everyone's benefit. Wages have not kept up with inflation. That's the problem. That's a social economic byproduct of inputs costing more. Education cost more. Ig forces people to work more to pay it at lower income positions. But we need the money in the economy. We dont want a society where the rich have less incentive to spend, invest and take risks. If we tax wrong they will enjoy their money and lend it to us at high rates rather than invest it in things that create opportunity for others. It's a balance. You cant have no taxes at the top or tax accountability. And you cant have spiralling costs for the workforce. The part you're missing is the rich folks DON'T pay taxes. Bezos is a perfect example of that. Job creation is not as meaningful when you can't even survive on the income. A normal society makes rich people pay their share, for the environment where they could be successful with a healthy, educated workforce. In Canada, Asia and Europe you have a pile of countries who showed you can have social systems, where the rich pay their share of taxes and education is available to all at an acceptable level, and the business and people with money have not all left. The GOP would have you believe that if Bezos, Walton and the Kochs have to pay taxes that they will all leave and the US will be a wasteland. Higher income tax usually encourages the rich to invest in their business, creating more economic activity, rather than cashing it all out. The Irvings are a perfect example, they keep building and buying. They wont move. They will stay in the US if they are taxed more. But what they will do is sit on their assets and not use them as much in the economy. If every rich person did that they wouldnt make as much. Tax is on income. Income they personally dont need. But income they also wont use to reinvest to get more income. It's their money. We would like some of it but there is no mechanism to prevent hoarding of money. When someone hordes money it becomes more valuable and expensive to get. Drives interest rates up. For everyone if enough of the biggest ones horde it. We want their assets and money working in the economy. If they just put it in bank accounts and pay taxes it isnt helping anyone. It doesnt employ people (as many people) as stagnant money. Long term it will put our costs up. Canada doesnt have many billionaires or millionaires living here in the same way the US does. There are 3 reasons: 1) climate 2) lack of incentive to set up here beyond a token legal amount to be incorporated here 3) taxes. It simply costs more to do anything here. This may not matter if our next door neighbor were Honduras, but its not we are next door to the US. The world added 346 billionaires worldwide in 2019. Canada added 0 billionaires. Canada has 41 billionaires. 1 per 850K people. The world has 2825 billionaires which is 1 per 7.6 million people. The USA has 614 billionaires or 1 per 525K people. There are no trillionaires in the world yet. Prediction is there will be 11 trillionaires by 2080.
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Trump
Nov 10, 2020 15:01:06 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 10, 2020 15:01:06 GMT -4
The part you're missing is the rich folks DON'T pay taxes. Bezos is a perfect example of that. Job creation is not as meaningful when you can't even survive on the income. A normal society makes rich people pay their share, for the environment where they could be successful with a healthy, educated workforce. In Canada, Asia and Europe you have a pile of countries who showed you can have social systems, where the rich pay their share of taxes and education is available to all at an acceptable level, and the business and people with money have not all left. The GOP would have you believe that if Bezos, Walton and the Kochs have to pay taxes that they will all leave and the US will be a wasteland. Higher income tax usually encourages the rich to invest in their business, creating more economic activity, rather than cashing it all out. The Irvings are a perfect example, they keep building and buying. They wont move. They will stay in the US if they are taxed more. But what they will do is sit on their assets and not use them as much in the economy. If every rich person did that they wouldnt make as much. Tax is on income. Income they personally dont need. But income they also wont use to reinvest to get more income. It's their money. We would like some of it but there is no mechanism to prevent hoarding of money. When someone hordes money it becomes more valuable and expensive to get. Drives interest rates up. For everyone if enough of the biggest ones horde it. We want their assets and money working in the economy. If they just put it in bank accounts and pay taxes it isnt helping anyone. It doesnt employ people (as many people) as stagnant money. Long term it will put our costs up. Canada doesnt have many billionaires or millionaires living here in the same way the US does. There are 3 reasons: 1) climate 2) lack of incentive to set up here beyond a token legal amount to be incorporated here 3) taxes. It simply costs more to do anything here. This may not matter if our next door neighbor were Honduras, but its not we are next door to the US. The world added 346 billionaires worldwide in 2019. Canada added 0 billionaires. Canada has 41 billionaires. 1 per 850K people. The world has 2825 billionaires which is 1 per 7.6 million people. The USA has 614 billionaires or 1 per 525K people. There are no trillionaires in the world yet. Prediction is there will be 11 trillionaires by 2080. The part you're missing is, in the Us the super rich don't reinvest in the economy, they have boatloads of cash in offshore accounts. If you force them to pay their share of taxes, like in Canada, and use it for healthcare, education and other social services...THEN you that money goes back in the economy, the government spends it on doctors, nurses, teachers, social workers...then those folks with good paying jobs buy homes, go on trips, buy expensive cars etc. Those billions Bezos has parked don't pay anybody's salary. As you proved with your numbers, Canada still produces rich dudes, but they pay their share, which gets put back into services people need. No more than your income at your job is not yours, a business making billions should not get to keep it all...the system and society who provided a safe and profitable environement should also benefit.
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Trump
Nov 10, 2020 19:59:06 GMT -4
Post by Citris on Nov 10, 2020 19:59:06 GMT -4
They wont move. They will stay in the US if they are taxed more. But what they will do is sit on their assets and not use them as much in the economy. If every rich person did that they wouldnt make as much. Tax is on income. Income they personally dont need. But income they also wont use to reinvest to get more income. It's their money. We would like some of it but there is no mechanism to prevent hoarding of money. When someone hordes money it becomes more valuable and expensive to get. Drives interest rates up. For everyone if enough of the biggest ones horde it. We want their assets and money working in the economy. If they just put it in bank accounts and pay taxes it isnt helping anyone. It doesnt employ people (as many people) as stagnant money. Long term it will put our costs up. Canada doesnt have many billionaires or millionaires living here in the same way the US does. There are 3 reasons: 1) climate 2) lack of incentive to set up here beyond a token legal amount to be incorporated here 3) taxes. It simply costs more to do anything here. This may not matter if our next door neighbor were Honduras, but its not we are next door to the US. The world added 346 billionaires worldwide in 2019. Canada added 0 billionaires. Canada has 41 billionaires. 1 per 850K people. The world has 2825 billionaires which is 1 per 7.6 million people. The USA has 614 billionaires or 1 per 525K people. There are no trillionaires in the world yet. Prediction is there will be 11 trillionaires by 2080. I don't see Canada adding 0 billionaires as a bad thing. In 2018 the average Canadian household had a savings of about $852.... if we have 1 Billionaire per 850k people, they still have (at least) $1,176 for each of those 850k. Our brains aren't evolved to comprehend extremely large numbers, I feel like if more people understood what a ridiculous amount of money a billion dollars is, they'd be a lot less okay with their existence. Society shouldn't run on the whims of a few rich ghouls. As Trump has proven - you don't have to be clever or competent to be wealthy. Just either be born into it, or completely lack a conscious.
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Trump
Nov 13, 2020 12:23:20 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 13, 2020 12:23:20 GMT -4
How pathetic is Trump?
He clearly lost the election, his weak attempt at yelling "voter fraud", which he was touting a year before the election, has been a huge flop. They have yet to find any proof of voter fraud.
HIS OWN department of HLS department said this was the most secure election in american history.
He's gone to court 15 or 16 times and all have been immediately thrown out. His lawyers in Penn have withdrawn from the case because it's embarrassingly bad. Rudi Guliani had a PC about it in Phillie at a lawn care business!
...all that because the GOP leadership are in fear of angering Trump and his army of MAGA morons.
We live next to a banana republic, folks!
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Trump
Nov 13, 2020 18:06:14 GMT -4
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Post by Citris on Nov 13, 2020 18:06:14 GMT -4
Trump is attempting a coup. We knew he'd try for months and months.
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Trump
Nov 13, 2020 20:12:43 GMT -4
Post by themandalorian on Nov 13, 2020 20:12:43 GMT -4
Cuomo has no leg to stand on here, Pfizer is one of the biggest and best drug companies in the world and the FDA has made it clear they wouldn't be letting this out without the appropriate process and protocols being followed. If Cuomo had an R after his name he would already be out of office and preparing for jail after he forced nursing homes to take Covid patients but because he has a D he gets a free pass from the media and the FBI.
Anyways great on Pfizer for doing a great job getting to this point in a short period of time.
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Trump
Nov 14, 2020 0:47:20 GMT -4
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Post by lirette on Nov 14, 2020 0:47:20 GMT -4
Trump is 1 win 20 losses in court so far, with most lawsuits being laughed out of court, most of them not even alleging fraud... and Rudy is taking over now, so things are going pretty well. This is all so embarrassing.
Meanwhile his supporters continue to be scammed out of money donating to his save the election campaign.
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Trump
Nov 14, 2020 8:36:42 GMT -4
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Post by Citris on Nov 14, 2020 8:36:42 GMT -4
Trump is 1 win 20 losses in court so far, with most lawsuits being laughed out of court, most of them not even alleging fraud... and Rudy is taking over now, so things are going pretty well. This is all so embarrassing. Meanwhile his supporters continue to be scammed out of money donating to his save the election campaign. The problem is that WE recognize his lawsuits are completely frivolous, and that Trump is being laughed out of courts... but his supporters believe every word and will either think that because hes suing he is correct about the election being stolen, that mean the "deep state" is stealing the country or whatever. These people are immune to reality and completely brainwashed, and not only that but most have guns and a hero complex. It seems like a joke now but how many mass shootings is this going to inspire? How many angry white dudes who watch like fox news and Alex Jones are going to think that "liberals are stealing our country and I'm gonna do something about it!". It's terrifying.
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Trump
Nov 16, 2020 7:20:22 GMT -4
Post by themandalorian on Nov 16, 2020 7:20:22 GMT -4
Rudy says he had evidence of voter fraud... okay fine so now is the time for it to be revealed or just be quiet and allow the transition to Biden take place.
I know Gore strung it out for 37 days in 2000 but that was one state and he had a much better case based on what is known right now.
If the evidence is there then make it public for everyone to see: it isn't fair to Trump supporters to be strung along without clear evidence and it isn't fair to Biden supporters either to see lawsuits filed without clear evidence of voter fraud.
I am a father of four girls. 1 at home, 3 abroad and I have one who just moved to Manhattan a little over a year ago, the other two are in Bangkok, Thailand and Sydney, Australia. The one I worry the most about is the one in NY what with Covid and the atmosphere in the states right now. I'm just glad she knows how to avoid trouble and is concentrating on working from home.
Anyways if there is evidence of voter fraud with respect to those Dominion machines or something else then make it public but if there isn't any concrete evidence then cut the crap and move on. It is time for the temperature to be lowered and for the transition to take place. This past weekend shows that MAGA rallies are rallying points for Antifa and Proud Boys to cause violence. There has been enough violence since May but the last thing the U.S. needs is a poorly handled transition, a poorly handled transition was one of the contributors to 9/11 taking place, if Biden and Harris are going to hopefully stand up to China they need to be getting intelligence briefings now.
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Nov 16, 2020 8:43:54 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 16, 2020 8:43:54 GMT -4
Trump is 1 win 20 losses in court so far, with most lawsuits being laughed out of court, most of them not even alleging fraud... and Rudy is taking over now, so things are going pretty well. This is all so embarrassing. Meanwhile his supporters continue to be scammed out of money donating to his save the election campaign. That's the sad and pathetic part, Trump is scamming(and will scam some more) against the ones that support him the most. He wouldn't let a single one of them stay at his tacky hotels and he lets them make fools of themselves while he drives by and goes golfing... Imagine the magnitude of outrage if Obama hadn't attended a pandemic meeting in 5 months and was golfing during a pandemic where there are between 150-200k NEW CASES A DAY. faux news would be on it 24-7. Same if Obama lost an election by 5.5M motes and was pretending he won. After 5 years of Trump shenanigans, the bar is set so low that not shitting himself is a good day.
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Trump
Nov 16, 2020 8:47:05 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 16, 2020 8:47:05 GMT -4
Rudy says he had evidence of voter fraud... okay fine so now is the time for it to be revealed or just be quiet and allow the transition to Biden take place.
I know Gore strung it out for 37 days in 2000 but that was one state and he had a much better case based on what is known right now.
If the evidence is there then make it public for everyone to see: it isn't fair to Trump supporters to be strung along without clear evidence and it isn't fair to Biden supporters either to see lawsuits filed without clear evidence of voter fraud.
I am a father of four girls. 1 at home, 3 abroad and I have one who just moved to Manhattan a little over a year ago, the other two are in Bangkok, Thailand and Sydney, Australia. The one I worry the most about is the one in NY what with Covid and the atmosphere in the states right now. I'm just glad she knows how to avoid trouble and is concentrating on working from home.
Anyways if there is evidence of voter fraud with respect to those Dominion machines or something else then make it public but if there isn't any concrete evidence then cut the crap and move on. It is time for the temperature to be lowered and for the transition to take place. This past weekend shows that MAGA rallies are rallying points for Antifa and Proud Boys to cause violence. There has been enough violence since May but the last thing the U.S. needs is a poorly handled transition, a poorly handled transition was one of the contributors to 9/11 taking place, if Biden and Harris are going to hopefully stand up to China they need to be getting intelligence briefings now.
The election was almost 2 weeks ago, if they had any evidence of fraud, they would be trumpeting photos/videos all over Faux News...it's all just a smokescreen to keep the orange toddler happy so he doesn't turn his MAGAts on them. Rubio Cruz Graham Mcconnell and co all hate Trump with a passion but can't say anything bad about him or risk being voted out by his army of wingnuts.
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Trump
Nov 16, 2020 9:48:07 GMT -4
Post by lirette on Nov 16, 2020 9:48:07 GMT -4
Rudy says he had evidence of voter fraud... okay fine so now is the time for it to be revealed or just be quiet and allow the transition to Biden take place.
I know Gore strung it out for 37 days in 2000 but that was one state and he had a much better case based on what is known right now.
If the evidence is there then make it public for everyone to see: it isn't fair to Trump supporters to be strung along without clear evidence and it isn't fair to Biden supporters either to see lawsuits filed without clear evidence of voter fraud.
I am a father of four girls. 1 at home, 3 abroad and I have one who just moved to Manhattan a little over a year ago, the other two are in Bangkok, Thailand and Sydney, Australia. The one I worry the most about is the one in NY what with Covid and the atmosphere in the states right now. I'm just glad she knows how to avoid trouble and is concentrating on working from home.
Anyways if there is evidence of voter fraud with respect to those Dominion machines or something else then make it public but if there isn't any concrete evidence then cut the crap and move on. It is time for the temperature to be lowered and for the transition to take place. This past weekend shows that MAGA rallies are rallying points for Antifa and Proud Boys to cause violence. There has been enough violence since May but the last thing the U.S. needs is a poorly handled transition, a poorly handled transition was one of the contributors to 9/11 taking place, if Biden and Harris are going to hopefully stand up to China they need to be getting intelligence briefings now.
They don't have any evidence. If they had actual evidence that wasn't conspiracy theories they would be plastering it all over twitter and fox news, OAN, etc. The lawyers already said in court they aren't alleging fraud. Every video they've tried to post has been easily debunked, they tried arguing their poll watchers didnt get to witness ballot counting but then in court where it really matters admitted they were there. Rudy appears drunk on most on his on air appearances. This is a guy who's supposed to be the presidents personal attorney and he got foiled by a Borat prank. He's a national security risk. If you are waiting for Trump to concede it will never ever happen, at least in any sort of normal way. He is a narcissist, he's physically incapable of admitting failure. The good thing for the US is they don't need him to concede for Biden to be sworn in. Once he runs out of court cases and the votes are certified he'll likely sneak over to mar-a-lago or wherever, and continue to rage tweet that the election was stolen while he scams his supporters for more donations for his 2024 run. His sexual assault & tax fraud cases will begin creeping up on him in the next few months. While they don't need him to concede this continues to be a embarrassment to the US on the World stage. It's pretty bad when the leaders of Saudi Arabia have done more to acknowledge democracy in the last 2 weeks than the republican party. On top of that his supporters are only going to grow more radicalized, wanting more deep conspiracy information, fox won't be good enough anymore. We are already seeing evidence of this as they are starting a boycott fox campaign because they called Arizona. They created this monster and now they are stuck with it.
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