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Nov 16, 2020 10:00:45 GMT -4
Post by Jack Bauer on Nov 16, 2020 10:00:45 GMT -4
Rudy says he had evidence of voter fraud... okay fine so now is the time for it to be revealed or just be quiet and allow the transition to Biden take place.
I know Gore strung it out for 37 days in 2000 but that was one state and he had a much better case based on what is known right now.
If the evidence is there then make it public for everyone to see: it isn't fair to Trump supporters to be strung along without clear evidence and it isn't fair to Biden supporters either to see lawsuits filed without clear evidence of voter fraud.
I am a father of four girls. 1 at home, 3 abroad and I have one who just moved to Manhattan a little over a year ago, the other two are in Bangkok, Thailand and Sydney, Australia. The one I worry the most about is the one in NY what with Covid and the atmosphere in the states right now. I'm just glad she knows how to avoid trouble and is concentrating on working from home.
Anyways if there is evidence of voter fraud with respect to those Dominion machines or something else then make it public but if there isn't any concrete evidence then cut the crap and move on. It is time for the temperature to be lowered and for the transition to take place. This past weekend shows that MAGA rallies are rallying points for Antifa and Proud Boys to cause violence. There has been enough violence since May but the last thing the U.S. needs is a poorly handled transition, a poorly handled transition was one of the contributors to 9/11 taking place, if Biden and Harris are going to hopefully stand up to China they need to be getting intelligence briefings now.
They don't have any evidence. If they had actual evidence that wasn't conspiracy theories they would be plastering it all over twitter and fox news, OAN, etc. The lawyers already said in court they aren't alleging fraud. Every video they've tried to post has been easily debunked, they tried arguing their poll watchers didnt get to witness ballot counting but then in court where it really matters admitted they were there. Rudy appears drunk on most on his on air appearances. This is a guy who's supposed to be the presidents personal attorney and he got foiled by a Borat prank. He's a national security risk. If you are waiting for Trump to concede it will never ever happen, at least in any sort of normal way. He is a narcissist, he's physically incapable of admitting failure. The good thing for the US is they don't need him to concede for Biden to be sworn in. Once he runs out of court cases and the votes are certified he'll likely sneak over to mar-a-lago or wherever, and continue to rage tweet that the election was stolen while he scams his supporters for more donations for his 2024 run. His sexual assault & tax fraud cases will begin creeping up on him in the next few months. While they don't need him to concede this continues to be a embarrassment to the US on the World stage. It's pretty bad when the leaders of Saudi Arabia have done more to acknowledge democracy in the last 2 weeks than the republican party. On top of that his supporters are only going to grow more radicalized, wanting more deep conspiracy information, fox won't be good enough anymore. We are already seeing evidence of this as they are starting a boycott fox campaign because they called Arizona. They created this monster and now they are stuck with it. They go on cable news channels and say they have evidence and play right into their base. Then go in front of real judges and say they're not crying fraud and don't have any evidence. It's still about playing into the "Trumpers" and making them live in their echo chamber. In the Spring when Trump News Network launches he'll have 20-30 million of them hooked on him enough to keep paying his debts while the world moves on. They have the deplorables hooked and they absolutely need to believe every single conspiracy he throws at the wall as being real. Because reality is completely lost on these folks. And in places like South Dakota...even as they are passing away from Covid, they'd prefer to be mad they don't have lung cancer:
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Nov 16, 2020 11:25:33 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 16, 2020 11:25:33 GMT -4
They don't have any evidence. If they had actual evidence that wasn't conspiracy theories they would be plastering it all over twitter and fox news, OAN, etc. The lawyers already said in court they aren't alleging fraud. Every video they've tried to post has been easily debunked, they tried arguing their poll watchers didnt get to witness ballot counting but then in court where it really matters admitted they were there. Rudy appears drunk on most on his on air appearances. This is a guy who's supposed to be the presidents personal attorney and he got foiled by a Borat prank. He's a national security risk. If you are waiting for Trump to concede it will never ever happen, at least in any sort of normal way. He is a narcissist, he's physically incapable of admitting failure. The good thing for the US is they don't need him to concede for Biden to be sworn in. Once he runs out of court cases and the votes are certified he'll likely sneak over to mar-a-lago or wherever, and continue to rage tweet that the election was stolen while he scams his supporters for more donations for his 2024 run. His sexual assault & tax fraud cases will begin creeping up on him in the next few months. While they don't need him to concede this continues to be a embarrassment to the US on the World stage. It's pretty bad when the leaders of Saudi Arabia have done more to acknowledge democracy in the last 2 weeks than the republican party. On top of that his supporters are only going to grow more radicalized, wanting more deep conspiracy information, fox won't be good enough anymore. We are already seeing evidence of this as they are starting a boycott fox campaign because they called Arizona. They created this monster and now they are stuck with it. They go on cable news channels and say they have evidence and play right into their base. Then go in front of real judges and say they're not crying fraud and don't have any evidence. It's still about playing into the "Trumpers" and making them live in their echo chamber. In the Spring when Trump News Network launches he'll have 20-30 million of them hooked on him enough to keep paying his debts while the world moves on. They have the deplorables hooked and they absolutely need to believe every single conspiracy he throws at the wall as being real. Because reality is completely lost on these folks. And in places like South Dakota...even as they are passing away from Covid, they'd prefer to be mad they don't have lung cancer: That clip from CNN pretty much sums up the idiocy. When a con man is all you believe and your "truth", you're not in a good place. A lot of those folks have flags at the house, love to appear patriotic and sound patriotic(much like Trump) but deep down they hate everything it stands for and everything the US was created on. Freedom, equality and sacrifice only works for them when it's convenient, not when a black person is murdered by police.
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Nov 23, 2020 20:08:25 GMT -4
Post by lirette on Nov 23, 2020 20:08:25 GMT -4
It's over.
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Nov 24, 2020 8:47:39 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 24, 2020 8:47:39 GMT -4
I'm sure it's not the end of the Trump Bs clogging the news, he is supposed to announce a 2024 run. Might be the worst thing for the Republican party. They won't be able to move to normalcy for awhile. Once all those Qanon voters figure out that those Facebook "news" stories are fake. Maybe Trump getting prosecuted by the state of NY will help change their minds that he isn't for "law and order".
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Nov 24, 2020 9:29:45 GMT -4
Post by lirette on Nov 24, 2020 9:29:45 GMT -4
I'm sure it's not the end of the Trump Bs clogging the news, he is supposed to announce a 2024 run. Might be the worst thing for the Republican party. They won't be able to move to normalcy for awhile. Once all those Qanon voters figure out that those Facebook "news" stories are fake. Maybe Trump getting prosecuted by the state of NY will help change their minds that he isn't for "law and order". Oh he's never going away, he's spending the morning retweeting batshit Randy Quaid Moreso we reached the turning point where the majority of elected republicans have realized the inevitable and begun calling Biden President Elect. These people should never be forgotten for their undermining of democracy over these 3 weeks.
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Nov 24, 2020 14:23:27 GMT -4
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Nov 24, 2020 14:23:27 GMT -4
I'm sure it's not the end of the Trump Bs clogging the news, he is supposed to announce a 2024 run. Might be the worst thing for the Republican party. They won't be able to move to normalcy for awhile. Once all those Qanon voters figure out that those Facebook "news" stories are fake. Maybe Trump getting prosecuted by the state of NY will help change their minds that he isn't for "law and order". Or as Michelle Obama says "When they go low we go high" At some point it's better for everyone to move on so America can try and unite. Taking Trump down means dragging with him all his supporters and it will never end. It wasnt right for the Democrats after the 2016 election to spend 4 years undermining and trying to impeach Trump. It wasnt right for the Republicans to go after Hillary in the lead up to 2016. This will continue until someone gets out of the "politics of tearing down". And move to building up. The Democrats come into the White House and guess what? Obamacare is still the law, still intact. Make it better and concentrate on the "Build Back Better" plan.
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Nov 24, 2020 14:50:23 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 24, 2020 14:50:23 GMT -4
I'm sure it's not the end of the Trump Bs clogging the news, he is supposed to announce a 2024 run. Might be the worst thing for the Republican party. They won't be able to move to normalcy for awhile. Once all those Qanon voters figure out that those Facebook "news" stories are fake. Maybe Trump getting prosecuted by the state of NY will help change their minds that he isn't for "law and order". Or as Michelle Obama says "When they go low we go high" At some point it's better for everyone to move on so America can try and unite. Taking Trump down means dragging with him all his supporters and it will never end. It wasnt right for the Democrats after the 2016 election to spend 4 years undermining and trying to impeach Trump. It wasnt right for the Republicans to go after Hillary in the lead up to 2016. This will continue until someone gets out of the "politics of tearing down". And move to building up. The Democrats come into the White House and guess what? Obamacare is still the law, still intact. Make it better and concentrate on the "Build Back Better" plan. Nobody will unite the US, there are deep divisions and a lot of mistrust and misinformation. I don't see the people that voted for Biden wanting the MAGA crowd on their side, folks that pretend to be victims but then act like rules don't apply to them. I don't think people whom the MAGA crowd wants deported or shot will accept them with open arms. The only way the Trump crimes won't be repeated is to prosecute him and those that helped him. Prentending Russia didn't interfere in 2016 won't make them and other countries stop from meddling. Dems need to bring the hammer on Putin with sanctions, otherwise they will be back it it in 2024. If the NY AG has charges on Trump and his family, he should move forward with it, being rich and famous should not be a white card against prosecution.
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Nov 25, 2020 20:49:38 GMT -4
Post by Citris on Nov 25, 2020 20:49:38 GMT -4
I'm sure it's not the end of the Trump Bs clogging the news, he is supposed to announce a 2024 run. Might be the worst thing for the Republican party. They won't be able to move to normalcy for awhile. Once all those Qanon voters figure out that those Facebook "news" stories are fake. Maybe Trump getting prosecuted by the state of NY will help change their minds that he isn't for "law and order". Or as Michelle Obama says "When they go low we go high" At some point it's better for everyone to move on so America can try and unite. Taking Trump down means dragging with him all his supporters and it will never end. It wasnt right for the Democrats after the 2016 election to spend 4 years undermining and trying to impeach Trump. It wasnt right for the Republicans to go after Hillary in the lead up to 2016. This will continue until someone gets out of the "politics of tearing down". And move to building up. The Democrats come into the White House and guess what? Obamacare is still the law, still intact. Make it better and concentrate on the "Build Back Better" plan. Please do not try to "both sides" this. You seem very concerned with the superficial optics of politics... "civility" over actual progress. You can't unite a country when you have almost 70 million people who are essentially fascists at this point. Trump voters don't live in the same reality as the rest of us. You cannot "unite" with a person who thinks you're part of a conspiracy. The path forward is doing what is possible to disenfranchise those voters and making their voices irrelevant by abolishing the EC, getting rid of district gerrymandering, and removing the obstacles put in the way of minority groups voting that the Republicans put in place. "They go low, we go high" is a great way to hand more and more power to the Republicans. Because they rely on it. Republicans don't have principles. You could be the most milquetoast capitalist in the universe and they'd still call you a "commie" Reality does not matter to them, only power. Edit- Not trying to sound hostile, sorry if it comes off that way. There's not much else to talk about with hockey on pause these days.
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Nov 26, 2020 6:38:10 GMT -4
Or as Michelle Obama says "When they go low we go high" At some point it's better for everyone to move on so America can try and unite. Taking Trump down means dragging with him all his supporters and it will never end. It wasnt right for the Democrats after the 2016 election to spend 4 years undermining and trying to impeach Trump. It wasnt right for the Republicans to go after Hillary in the lead up to 2016. This will continue until someone gets out of the "politics of tearing down". And move to building up. The Democrats come into the White House and guess what? Obamacare is still the law, still intact. Make it better and concentrate on the "Build Back Better" plan. Please do not try to "both sides" this. You seem very concerned with the superficial optics of politics... "civility" over actual progress. You can't unite a country when you have almost 70 million people who are essentially fascists at this point. Trump voters don't live in the same reality as the rest of us. You cannot "unite" with a person who thinks you're part of a conspiracy. The path forward is doing what is possible to disenfranchise those voters and making their voices irrelevant by abolishing the EC, getting rid of district gerrymandering, and removing the obstacles put in the way of minority groups voting that the Republicans put in place. "They go low, we go high" is a great way to hand more and more power to the Republicans. Because they rely on it. Republicans don't have principles. You could be the most milquetoast capitalist in the universe and they'd still call you a "commie" Reality does not matter to them, only power. Edit- Not trying to sound hostile, sorry if it comes off that way. There's not much else to talk about with hockey on pause these days. you get too hung up on the 70 million. Americans yet again get an election between suspect policy and a terrible person and people have to choose. Most of those people who voted looked at their place in life and asked..."am I/ my family better off than 4 years ago? Am I worse/ my family worse off?". 70 million people are not deplorable. It's like a multiple choice question with two weak answers. There are Biden voters that voted Trump last time and switched. The confederate flag waving deplorables are the minority and in other elections they voted too for Romney, Reagan, maybe Eisenhowe, maybe Truman if they didn't like Dewey. It actually ignorant to cast a whole 70 million people down the gutter just because you hate the people they voted for when they dont have a robust choice. 95% of those people are voting for the things that drive them which may not be what you (we) Canadians think is right. They have to live with the whole package. Not just the optics.
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Nov 26, 2020 7:13:19 GMT -4
Post by themandalorian on Nov 26, 2020 7:13:19 GMT -4
Please do not try to "both sides" this. You seem very concerned with the superficial optics of politics... "civility" over actual progress. You can't unite a country when you have almost 70 million people who are essentially fascists at this point. Trump voters don't live in the same reality as the rest of us. You cannot "unite" with a person who thinks you're part of a conspiracy. The path forward is doing what is possible to disenfranchise those voters and making their voices irrelevant by abolishing the EC, getting rid of district gerrymandering, and removing the obstacles put in the way of minority groups voting that the Republicans put in place. "They go low, we go high" is a great way to hand more and more power to the Republicans. Because they rely on it. Republicans don't have principles. You could be the most milquetoast capitalist in the universe and they'd still call you a "commie" Reality does not matter to them, only power. Edit- Not trying to sound hostile, sorry if it comes off that way. There's not much else to talk about with hockey on pause these days. you get too hung up on the 70 million. Americans yet again get an election between suspect policy and a terrible person and people have to choose. Most of those people who voted looked at their place in life and asked..."am I/ my family better off than 4 years ago? Am I worse/ my family worse off?". 70 million people are not deplorable. It's like a multiple choice question with two weak answers. There are Biden voters that voted Trump last time and switched. The confederate flag waving deplorables are the minority and in other elections they voted too for Romney, Reagan, maybe Eisenhowe, maybe Truman if they didn't like Dewey. It actually ignorant to cast a whole 70 million people down the gutter just because you hate the people they voted for when they dont have a robust choice. 95% of those people are voting for the things that drive them which may not be what you (we) Canadians think is right. They have to live with the whole package. Not just the optics. I have a daughter who works in NY but because she is on a work visa (been there just over a year) she wasn't able to vote - she asked me, "How could you vote for Trump knowing what a horrible person he is?"
I replied, and I'm paraphrasing, because you look at the issues, and I'm going to list those right now,
- economy - Trump
- foreign policy - Trump, Obama/Biden was a dumpster fire , Libya, ISIS, Iran , Trump isn't great but better
- crime - Trump
- immigration policy - Trump
- taxes - Trump
- homeland security - Trump
- Covid - Trump has been bad but Obama/Biden failed at H1N1 which killed tens of thousands. EVEN
- health care - both failed IMO.
- environment - edge to Biden but emissions are going down even without the Paris accord and U.S. Energy Department still got plenty of $$ under Trump for green energy research.
Casting 70 million like Raimu has done here is irresponsible and immature. If you have a guy who checks off the boxes which I have illustrated here but he is a horrible person what are you supposed to do? Ignore your beliefs and vote against them to bring in a guy who is nice but will bring in policies which you view as bad for you and your country?
I voted for Harper 4 times but he wasn't the type of guy I would enjoy sitting down to have a beer with. I would have much rather had a beer with Jack Layton but I wouldn't have voted for him.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 26, 2020 9:24:14 GMT -4
you get too hung up on the 70 million. Americans yet again get an election between suspect policy and a terrible person and people have to choose. Most of those people who voted looked at their place in life and asked..."am I/ my family better off than 4 years ago? Am I worse/ my family worse off?". 70 million people are not deplorable. It's like a multiple choice question with two weak answers. There are Biden voters that voted Trump last time and switched. The confederate flag waving deplorables are the minority and in other elections they voted too for Romney, Reagan, maybe Eisenhowe, maybe Truman if they didn't like Dewey. It actually ignorant to cast a whole 70 million people down the gutter just because you hate the people they voted for when they dont have a robust choice. 95% of those people are voting for the things that drive them which may not be what you (we) Canadians think is right. They have to live with the whole package. Not just the optics. I have a daughter who works in NY but because she is on a work visa (been there just over a year) she wasn't able to vote - she asked me, "How could you vote for Trump knowing what a horrible person he is?"
I replied, and I'm paraphrasing, because you look at the issues, and I'm going to list those right now,
- economy - Trump
- foreign policy - Trump, Obama/Biden was a dumpster fire , Libya, ISIS, Iran , Trump isn't great but better
- crime - Trump
- immigration policy - Trump
- taxes - Trump
- homeland security - Trump
- Covid - Trump has been bad but Obama/Biden failed at H1N1 which killed tens of thousands. EVEN
- health care - both failed IMO.
- environment - edge to Biden but emissions are going down even without the Paris accord and U.S. Energy Department still got plenty of $$ under Trump for green energy research.
Casting 70 million like Raimu has done here is irresponsible and immature. If you have a guy who checks off the boxes which I have illustrated here but he is a horrible person what are you supposed to do? Ignore your beliefs and vote against them to bring in a guy who is nice but will bring in policies which you view as bad for you and your country?
I voted for Harper 4 times but he wasn't the type of guy I would enjoy sitting down to have a beer with. I would have much rather had a beer with Jack Layton but I wouldn't have voted for him.
Saying that Trump is only a horrible person but has good policy is downright laughable. The guy just wings it since he got in the White House. The only reason he hasn't burnt the US to the ground is the guardrails in place to stop him(judges & Congress). Your thoughts reflect some of the non MAGA Trump voters who thinks because he is not a "Liberal"(which is downright laughable since he was one all his life until he decided he wanted to hijack the GOP) and follows most base GOP policies that they are good. On what planet is it good to cut taxes on the rich and that is a good policy for anybody other than millionaires and billionaires?? On what planet is it good foreign policy to stab your own allies in the back and fawn up to Putin, MBS and KYJ?? On what planet is holding Dreamers hostage and caging kids and separating them from their parents good immigration policy?? Trying to take away healthcare from 100M Americans is not even a policy, it's just trying to get rid of everything Obama created. The tribal nature of politics is exactly why Trump got 70M+ votes, he is a horrible candidate with even more horrible policies, but they vote for him anyways just to spite the other side.
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Nov 26, 2020 9:41:15 GMT -4
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Post by yesisaiditfirst on Nov 26, 2020 9:41:15 GMT -4
"The tribal nature of politics is exactly why Trump got 70M+ votes, he is a horrible candidate with even more horrible policies, but they vote for him anyways just to spite the other side." ----
According to the exit polls from CNN evaluating who voted. Trumps 'share' if the vote went up with all the demographics except white males.
It went up with all black voters, all hispanic, Male and female over 2016.
Can make the argument he had a chance if he could have held his white males (it went down with that group).
He still lost so I think him being a horrible candidate is why.
The exit poll also said that only 1 in 5 voters said they are personally worse off than in 2016. So usually in elections they dont vote out the incumbent in that situation.
Brass tax is some racists did worse and didnt like Trump or his policy so it contributed to his loss.
Some who should be most repulsed by Trump - black women for example still voted for him and some did not vote him when Hillary ran.
Some vote for spite but this time all indications are he lost the election. Republicans would have won in those conditions in any other year.
Again it's not as cut and clear why people vote but it's more complicated than people suggest here. Always is.
Trump lost the election. Some are happy about that. Some are fine with it. Some wanted him to lose but are concerned still it may be a bad thing for the economy, etc. Some are very upset he lost. Some want revenge. And some want the past administration charged with crimes. Democracy. You can have an opinion on this.
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Nov 26, 2020 9:46:41 GMT -4
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Post by Citris on Nov 26, 2020 9:46:41 GMT -4
you get too hung up on the 70 million. Americans yet again get an election between suspect policy and a terrible person and people have to choose. Most of those people who voted looked at their place in life and asked..."am I/ my family better off than 4 years ago? Am I worse/ my family worse off?". 70 million people are not deplorable. It's like a multiple choice question with two weak answers. There are Biden voters that voted Trump last time and switched. The confederate flag waving deplorables are the minority and in other elections they voted too for Romney, Reagan, maybe Eisenhowe, maybe Truman if they didn't like Dewey. It actually ignorant to cast a whole 70 million people down the gutter just because you hate the people they voted for when they dont have a robust choice. 95% of those people are voting for the things that drive them which may not be what you (we) Canadians think is right. They have to live with the whole package. Not just the optics. You say that but then look at the reply to your post. Trump supporters don't live in our reality. They really don't. There is no meaningful difference between fascists and fascist sympathizers. Quick aside - Trump attempting to bring back Firing squads in his last days. (Not to mention just another needless middle finger to Trans folk)
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Nov 26, 2020 9:50:13 GMT -4
Post by Captain Obvious on Nov 26, 2020 9:50:13 GMT -4
"The tribal nature of politics is exactly why Trump got 70M+ votes, he is a horrible candidate with even more horrible policies, but they vote for him anyways just to spite the other side." ---- According to the exit polls from CNN evaluating who voted. Trumps 'share' if the vote went up with all the demographics except white males. It went up with all black voters, all hispanic, Male and female over 2016. Can make the argument he had a chance if he could have held his white males (it went down with that group). He still lost so I think him being a horrible candidate is why. The exit poll also said that only 1 in 5 voters said they are personally worse off than in 2016. So usually in elections they dont vote out the incumbent in that situation. Brass tax is some racists did worse and didnt like Trump or his policy so it contributed to his loss. Some who should be most repulsed by Trump - black women for example still voted for him and some did not vote him when Hillary ran. Some vote for spite but this time all indications are he lost the election. Republicans would have won in those conditions in any other year. Again it's not as cut and clear why people vote but it's more complicated than people suggest here. Always is. Trump lost the election. Some are happy about that. Some are fine with it. Some wanted him to lose but are concerned still it may be a bad thing for the economy, etc. Some are very upset he lost. Some want revenge. And some want the past administration charged with crimes. Democracy. You can have an opinion on this. all you're saying is assuming that you have informed voters. A major issue in US politics is disinformation, Faux news basically makes billions on pretending reality is not really reality. Rupert Murdock has turned news into reality TV and created a monster, now the MAGA crowd thinks they are not radical enough and turning to OAN and Newsmax. The Qanon fantasy world is right up the same alley. Never before in US(or any other country) politics has there been so much fake news pumped through social media, mostly Facebook, who like Murdock love the profits and have no issue spreading lies and false propaganda. Look no further than patients in South Dakota dying and telling the doctors and nurses that they CAN'T be dying from Covid because it's fake!!!
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Post by lirette on Nov 26, 2020 10:14:01 GMT -4
you get too hung up on the 70 million. Americans yet again get an election between suspect policy and a terrible person and people have to choose. Most of those people who voted looked at their place in life and asked..."am I/ my family better off than 4 years ago? Am I worse/ my family worse off?". 70 million people are not deplorable. It's like a multiple choice question with two weak answers. There are Biden voters that voted Trump last time and switched. The confederate flag waving deplorables are the minority and in other elections they voted too for Romney, Reagan, maybe Eisenhowe, maybe Truman if they didn't like Dewey. It actually ignorant to cast a whole 70 million people down the gutter just because you hate the people they voted for when they dont have a robust choice. 95% of those people are voting for the things that drive them which may not be what you (we) Canadians think is right. They have to live with the whole package. Not just the optics. I have a daughter who works in NY but because she is on a work visa (been there just over a year) she wasn't able to vote - she asked me, "How could you vote for Trump knowing what a horrible person he is?"
I replied, and I'm paraphrasing, because you look at the issues, and I'm going to list those right now,
- economy - Trump
- foreign policy - Trump, Obama/Biden was a dumpster fire , Libya, ISIS, Iran , Trump isn't great but better
- crime - Trump
- immigration policy - Trump
- taxes - Trump
- homeland security - Trump
- Covid - Trump has been bad but Obama/Biden failed at H1N1 which killed tens of thousands. EVEN
- health care - both failed IMO.
- environment - edge to Biden but emissions are going down even without the Paris accord and U.S. Energy Department still got plenty of $$ under Trump for green energy research.
Casting 70 million like Raimu has done here is irresponsible and immature. If you have a guy who checks off the boxes which I have illustrated here but he is a horrible person what are you supposed to do? Ignore your beliefs and vote against them to bring in a guy who is nice but will bring in policies which you view as bad for you and your country?
I voted for Harper 4 times but he wasn't the type of guy I would enjoy sitting down to have a beer with. I would have much rather had a beer with Jack Layton but I wouldn't have voted for him.
Have you perhaps considered that a lot of what you are saying is perception due to strong messaging? There is no question that the right side of politics benefits from a well oiled messaging machine. People vote against their own self interests all the time. A lot of what you are providing is talking points from rallies, not specifics policies. In regards to H1N1 for example, Trump was bad but Biden/Obama failed. Perhaps you can provide specifics on this comparison? Trump knew how bad covid was, intentionally hid it from the public, infected nearly the entire wwhitehouse holding a superspreader event, spread covid around the US with maskless rallies, condemned experts in the field leading to death threats, threatened governors to open their states against his own administrations guidelines, made masks a completely partisan issue. Had governors bidding against each other to acquire PPE. How do you "both sides" this? Immigration Policy - Trumps immigration policy is led by a white supremacist in Stephen Miller. Over 600 kids have been separated from their parents and cannot locate them, many are under 5 years old. He's also trying to go through the courts to get rid of millions of Americans who were born in the country, work full time jobs and pay taxes, some of which have been in the country over 20 years. He built a useless wall with tax payer money, lied that Mexico would pay for it. Do you support this policy? Health Care - one one hand, Biden was involved in passing the ACA, granting 20 million Americans access to health care, on the other hand, Trump wants to go through the courts to get rid of the ACA and take health care away from those same people. Do you have someone in your life that has a pre existing condition, could you imagine for aa second how they would have felt finding out they could now get health care, and then years later imagine how they would feel losing their health care in 2021 if the ACA is overturned? Environment - one believes climate change is an urgent issue and is actually assigned a major position for the first time at the whitehouse to deal with the climate, the other thinks climate change is a hoax. What do you think Trump has done specifically to help combat climate change? in 2020, it should be obvious why emissions would be down. In 2019, most site the emissions drop due to the reduced demand for coal. Trump supports coal and ran heavily on that messaging in 2016. Taxes - Ok there was some tax cuts that helped mostly wealthy people. Do you also approve of the way he abuses tax payer dollars? Such as violating the hatch act holding rallies at the Whitehouse, playing more golf than any other president in history, using tax payer dollars to directly benefit his own golf club. Attempting to use the DOJ to defend him in court on personal cases. holding rallies at various cities in the US leaving them to foot the 6 or 7 figure bill themselves (some are suing his campaign for this). Beyond all these policies, Trump is threatening the democracy one of the most powerful countries in the world. He wants to throw out the election results and overturn the will of the voters. He has made a complete mockery of the US on the world stage by calling their elections rigged and fraudulent despite his lawyers embarrassing themselves everyday in court, unable to provide any credible evidence of this. When you say he is better for Homeland Security have you considered the damage he has done in just the past few weeks? At what point for you do morals step in for Trump to lose your support?
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